Jedi Order Direction

[The End Narrator]

Nothing is stopping anybody from keeping The Republic Banner.

The Academies will now be the go-to source for Jedi training and development, however. It is a learning resource rather than having it involved in the Republic Forums.

This is FORCING.

The statements made prior is FORCING.

You want to be both, as you say: That's your prerogative.

I never said your position was Forcing - you're stating you see no issue with moving training threads and other material related to the Jedi Order while staying loyal to the GR.

My other issue, that just hit me, I also don't want others regulating what I choose to train or don't train - I don't desire to fall under Minor Faction rules and regulations. I enjoy the Major Faction benefits regardless if the Republic is losing the war or not.

This is how I feel - it's not negative - as [member="Corvus Raaf"] you know I respect you and like you a whole bunch - but I just don't know.

And to those who think I spent all day yesterday badmouthing [member="Kiskla Grayson"] - Please correct yourself. Not once did I say she was a bad person, she's toxic, she's this or whatever. Word has reached me that I spent all day yesterday badmouthing two very specific people. I just don't agree with her decision.

Less drama people, less drama.

I have some thinking to do and talking to people to do.

I just don't feel comfortable with the idea of it all and the logic just isn't there.

 

[Uri Aureleos]

Please note my views are my views and It is not in my interest to upset any one or call anyone out for any decision that they wish to make. I will start with a quote:

"This transmission acts as my official declaration to The Republic's triumvirate that The Jedi Order will no longer be exclusively affiliated with The Republic."This was a step Kiskla was taking to eradicate the walls between the Jedi; removing the categories one by one. Starting with 'Republic Jedi'. "As much as it is a Jedi's duty to be guardians of peace and democracy, I'm afraid that in the recent years The Order has become myopic on which citizens it focuses protection on. The Republic's politics are bleeding into The Order's pool. As Grandmaster, it is my duty to ensure that my organization's heritage is preserved and maintained. That said, do not think The Order will no longer support The Republic's endeavours. The One Sith are our enemy too-- and I will personally be your contact, along with whomever wishes to join me --- and assist your forces to stop their advancements."

I originally thought Kiskla didn't give us a clean split but I was wrong. She makes it clear TJO split does not mean that the jedi are telling the Republic off or cutting ties to them. The want for them to be allies still is written in there. 'DO NOT THINK The Order will no longer support The Republic's endeavours.'

I don't much agree with pulling the all of the jedi order forums out of GR however. Moving training threads would make the GR forums a little prettier but as allies there should at least be one forum to work as an Embassy of sorts that way if needed in the future Jedi can organized to help GR within GR.

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Uri Aureleos"]

That is a good point.

We would be counted as allies for the Republic as opposed to members. We would be limited in who fights. Which is unfair to the members of the community left behind in the Republic.

This activity rule comes to mind.

I do like your idea of that introductory thread but moving everything is well still sticking me hard.

 

[Kian Karr]

I really like that idea. We move all training threads but still leave a section that ties the Jedi Order to the Republic. We'd be a part of the JA but still visible maintain our ties to the Republic.

What do people think of that?

 

[Marona Rayheart]

Well it actually makes sense to me now geez I should start doing research more I mean they would still be with the group, but have their own desperate training etc... thing as well

Am I missing anything? Cause it makes sense to me. But then I don't fully understand the whole major minor faction thing ether yet soooo I dunno.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

Can we clarify what the remaining forum for the Jedi on the Republic board would be for then? I am leaning towards being ok with this, but I would like clarification as to what purpose the remaining board would serve?

Would doing things this way still consider us all members of the major faction for the purposes of invasions and events? [member="Aaralyn Rekali"]

[member="Kian Karr"]

 

[The End Narrator]

Removed.

 

[The End Narrator]

Removed.

 

[Avalore Eden]

Just gonna toss a biscuit on the floor for everyone.

There's never been a rule stating that members of a Major faction cannot also be members of a Minor faction. Minor faction membership does not negate the former. You can very much be a member of the GR and also a member of the Rebel Alliance. Or, you can be a member of the GR and a member of the Academy.

Pretty simple and straightforward.

 

[The End Narrator]

After consulting with someone, and looking back at various transcripts from everyone and everything from all sides...

Too much OOC angst, alot of toxic nature from everyone and not enough maturity for anyone to approach this correctly or even as [member="Phylis Alince"] said...ain't no one going to win the debate.

I am stepping back from this conversation. My feelings are strong and they're compelled for the interests of the Republic but I also have OOC feelings that are driven against others and I cannot let them cloud my judgement. That being said, yall do what you think is best for you and your characters in the end and where you will be happy.

If moving the Order is the right thing and it's what peoplet want then we'll we gotta adapt. I just don't like the ideas behind it all and I don't have enough information and what I do have I don't like. Helping other governments doesn't sound like my cup of tea, like the ASA.

So there ya go

 

[The End Narrator]

Just gonna toss a biscuit on the floor for everyone.

There's never been a rule stating that members of a Major faction cannot also be members of a Minor faction. Minor faction membership does not negate the former. You can very much be a member of the GR and also a member of the Rebel Alliance. Or, you can be a member of the GR and a member of the Academy.

Pretty simple and straightforward.

Might be the case on paper but when it comes to activity within the Major Faction and recent rules which have appeared in Invasions...well, you get my point.

If people haven't done much or anything for or in the Republic cause the focus has been JA training. So it's not about memberships as much as activity being suddenly scrutinized.

But as I said, stepping back.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"] - My only concern really is that I don't want to be considered an ally of the Republic. I want to be considered a member of it. If allowing the Order threads to be moved to the Academy training thread is going to mean that I am no longer a part of the Republic for the purposes of invasions (meaning we have to sign up as allies, instead of simply being allowed to participate as a member of the Republic), and ICly speaking if the Jedi are labeled as traitors and/or disband their allegiance to the Republic, then I don't want that.

But, if only the training threads are moved, and we are allowed to use the Jedi board on the Republic for everything else such as adventures, fights, private factions things, etc, and we are still considered part of the Republic and fall under the major faction rules for invasions, dominions, etc, then I don't think I would have as much of a problem with that.

[member="Avalore Eden"] - Thank you for posting that. It does help clear up things a bit, so long as the items I listed above are still clarified.

 

[Avalore Eden]

That may be true, but those activity rules were only recently implemented. They aren't enforced by board staff, and can be stricken from future invasions, just like the use of NPCs and whathaveyou.

There's lots of wiggle room and most FA teams are pretty good at making concessions for fairness, at least in my experience.


In the meantime, I will not be closing any IC threads that have come as a result of Kiskla's message. In fact I find the IC Council's reaction and the Triumvirate's reaction and decisions regarding it to be fascinating for story. You guys have the option to ride this out IC, and I think it's a really interesting avenue to take for the sake of plot.

Heck, you guys could all convene and plead your case to the Trio that Kiskla's captured by the Sith and likely the message was a farce. Who knows! Such possibilities....

 

[Kian Karr]

Typo Warning as I'm on my phone.

My biggest concern is with moving everything as it severe all ties between TJO and Republic.

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"] - My only concern really is that I don't want to be considered an ally of the Republic. I want to be considered a member of it. If allowing the Order threads to be moved to the Academy training thread is going to mean that I am no longer a part of the Republic for the purposes of invasions (meaning we have to sign up as allies, instead of simply being allowed to participate as a member of the Republic), and ICly speaking if the Jedi are labeled as traitors and/or disband their allegiance to the Republic, then I don't want that.

But, if only the training threads are moved, and we are allowed to use the Jedi board on the Republic for everything else such as adventures, fights, private factions things, etc, and we are still considered part of the Republic and fall under the major faction rules for invasions, dominions, etc, then I don't think I would have as much of a problem with that.

[member="Avalore Eden"] - Thank you for posting that. It does help clear up things a bit, so long as the items I listed above are still clarified.

However I believe this would resolve that. The JA is a school after all and so why not leave mission threads and sign ups with the GR as the officials are the ones IC issuing said missions. This would allow us to still support and feel like members of the Republic while benefiting from the training offered by the JA.

 

[The End Narrator]

I think I agree.

Shule summed this up well for me.

I can see moving some aspects or allowing affiliation with the JA. However, we maintain our presence within the Republic as it stands now.

We are not moving it all, just perhaps a training portion with the option to continue training in the Republic if the individual so chooses.

Make sense?

I think that is something we all can agree on, everyone is happy and it doesn't divide us.

In regards to Ic actions, we shall work on it. [member="Avalore Eden"] had brought up good points.

 

[Avalore Eden]

The IC domino effect. It's a beautiful and scary thing.

Edit: [member="Aaralyn Rekali"] can you please refrain from using people's real names on the forums? Merci beaucoup!

 

[The End Narrator]

Uh, sure. Edited.

 

[Enyo Typhos]

The IC domino effect. It's a beautiful and scary thing.

Very much so. Kiskla made an IC message, and people are responding ICly in those threads, as is the best way to handle things. The ripples are beautiful. Besides, [member="Aurelia Saelari"] finally got to deliver a Downfall-style rant!

 

[The End Narrator]

Order 66.2?

Lol

[member="Callisto Scarlett"].

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

Forced or not. I don't understand the necessity here. If someone can explain that to me I might very well go along with it, but I'm not much getting it at the moment. Also, I don't understand why we can't have the Academy and still be, as a whole, with the Republic.

Obviously I'm not saying everyone should have to stay with the republic, but I don't understand why were pulling away from them either. This all seems like a muddled mess to me and from what I can see its just going to cause problems with communication and new arrivals. People are going to come to the Republic expecting Jedi and not know what to think when they don't find them there. Then when they move over to the Academy, if that happens at all, they're going to feel disconnected from the Rebellion and not know who to support. We may as well start a Jedi Order major faction if we're going to go through all this trouble.

I'm not against change, but when it's lacking in reasoning and ends up blindsiding me because only two or three people knew about it, I have a problem with it.