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[Valessia Brentioch]

[member="Tefka"]

Recently with the First Order. It was frustrating, however; to remove it (discussions/notifications) completely sounds a little absurd. With my recent experience in mind, I can only echo what [member="Coci Heavenshield"] and others have said, keep the notification requirement there.

 

[Isamu Baelor]

For those of you saying "plz no"...

Have you ever been involved in these discussions regarding "fairness and balance"? When, and for what faction did you represent? How was your experience?

Give us some insight to consider.

I was a One Sith faction admin for a while, then One Sith Faction Owner for a couple of months. I was directly involved in two of these types of discussions.

GA Invasion of OS Luja: Awful. Bad enough that I had to get staff involved, just so the OS could get a faction admin team in place. (This was in the middle of a leadership change.)

OS Invasion of GR Togoria: Surprisingly pleasant. No stalling. No arguing. No fighting. Everyone agreed quite quickly, and we went on with the invasion.

How well these talks go is entirely reliant upon who you deal with. That's it. Even OS/GR ones can go smoothly.

In saying that, I would be fine getting rid of them.

However, there needs to be a grace period between when the notice is sent, and when the invasion begins.

I just can't possibly reconcile the idea of waking up one morning, seeing that someone's invading us, having to just scramble to get everyone ready (especially if it's a work day), and having it be fun.

 

[Tefka]

However, there needs to be a grace period between when the notice is sent, and when the invasion begins. I just can't possibly reconcile the idea of waking up one morning, seeing that someone's invading us, having to just scramble to get everyone ready (especially if it's a work day), and having it be fun.

I can relate with this.

I think we could simplify it down to "send a notice, get 7 days minimum grace period to prep"

 

[Sanya Val Lerium]

[member="Tefka"]

Yes and it was tough, since it was before the updated rules. Honestly I think their should be a notice but the date it goes up shouldn't be needed longs it's in 45days of that notification. Gives a week for them to get personal limits like fleet size, what the story behind it will be, Allie and writer limits as some fractions like to choose that then a a month for it to be a suprise still. Getting rid of the notfcation would get rid of the hype they get and that could lead to them not getting the attention they need.

 

[LT-137]

[member="Tefka"]

It's been just over a year since I registered my account here on Chaos, and in all that time I’ve made quite the journey from I started out in the hopes of writing my stories, but quickly became mired in the political stigma attached to owning and administering a Major Faction.

Before I came to this site, the place I used to write on had no courtesy PM rule, where a Faction owner could reach out and set up the boundaries of their sandbox. For years, I’ve gone to sleep after a long day of work and would wake up to see an Invasion taking place.

They had static location threads, in comparison to the episodic nature of Chaos, so as you can imagine - folks would flood the appropriate threads destroying everything you've built before you even had the chance to respond. Over time that slowly began to change, but the lack of a courtesy PM still remained.

It fostered a toxic OOC community/atmosphere as people would bleed the IRL and IC world’s together.

Without boring you with details, I believe my words will echo those stated by many others in this thread. Keep the notification period. It forces courtesy to become a standard operating practice, and may very well ensure that any combative encounter would start off on the right foot.

Our Characters could hate each other, and treat one another like dirt - but why should the opportunity be there to do the same to the person on the other side of the Screen?

 

[Connor Harrison]

I think notifications of such events must remain, and dialogue between parties too.

I mean, this ISN'T a place where we leave we anything as a result of these invasions / rebellions or whatever.

Waking up to find something has taken place to a Faction you may love or whatever and then have to get everyone on board for a slog to defend / invade is hectic enough without warning. If this IS a "game" as people say it can be, than it needs to be played fair for those uncertain and unconfident of the task they must play if all they wanted to do was just escape reality and write stories.

 

[Eddak Manod]

While I agree, that there is potential in losing the aspect of an ambush or surprise attack, but that can all be done in the Talks. "You can have your flagships of death and I can get one or two ambushes" nothing has to be clearly defined.

No, I have never experienced the rule within a faction, but does that mean I'm immediately disqualified from the discussion? Taking this out is liable to make me never to touch major factions, in any way, shape or form. Just as roleplays between a few individuals are expected to be fair, some even spoke about beforehand, a thread in which maybe even a hundred writers or more should meet and discuss fairness.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Our Characters could hate each other, and treat one another like dirt - but why should the opportunity be there to do the same to the person on the other side of the Screen?

That'll happen with or without the courtesy period.

Case in point the hatefest that was the OS v. GR war.

The pre-invasion talks were there, but they were often mired down to lasting weeks if not a month because of the GR.

[member="Torian Pierce"]

 

[Catalys Maijora]

Have you ever been involved in these discussions regarding "fairness and balance"? When, and for what faction did you represent? How was your experience?

I wasn't saying no. I've been involved in these discussions for five invasions before and only two of them were actually enjoyable. The rest were just overly dramatic because just about everyone (and I'm guilty of this too!) involved were spending more time focusing on how the 'other side' is bending the 'rules' rather than actually writing a story.

Or worse, intentionally stagnating a thread to accumulate a 'technical' victory. So I do agree that the forced talks need to go, but I also believe that a grace period is simply beneficial for everyone involved. Give people time to understand what's going on. Really a day or two at most is enough. Otherwise it can be a big turn off if you just discover the existence of a thread and posts are already on page two.

 

[LT-137]

[member="Darth Carnifex"]

Aye, you're right in that aspect - however despite the fact I end up disappointed more often than not, I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Nevertheless, with the courtesy PM and time between remaining in place, I believe we'd be staying on the right path to keep the OOC salt usually attributed to Invasions and Rebellions as low as humanly possible. It won't ever happen, but I like to think it's a possibility.

 

[Jamie Pyne]

If we do this people will riot!

I like it.

 

[NightSister]

I think we could simplify it down to "send a notice, get 7 days minimum grace period to prep"

I agree with this. If you're going to invade, it's polite to let the faction know so they have time to get their side of the battle sorted out, but the more regulated and negotiated the invasion itself is, the more free-flowing and natural it is. There's always an OOC thread to sort out duels and the like if need be, besides.

 

[Krayzen Dratos]

Basically what the others have said.When I served as a One Sith FA, in the invasion of Lujo, the negotiations were pleasant, and quick. I believe I was here for the invasion of Lujo by the Galactic Alliance, and it wasn't the best experience, since [member="Darth Erebos"] was in the process of becoming the new Faction Owner.

I also echo what the others have said, in that it provides you a platform as a defender to be able to negotiate fair terms for your faction. If there is also a new FO who has never been Faction Owner before, it would be better for him/her to get the notification so he can at least prepare rather than be given an invasion just like that.

 

[Klesta]

[member="Eddak Manod"] There is only so much chaos that could possibly be added and the game would still have some playability (even though tradeoffs have to be made, feature-wise)

However, an advance notice period not to be shorter than 3 days would be a must. Ideally anywhere between 3 and 7 days...

 

[Jsc]

Thoughts:

• How long should I wait for my opponent to post before pushing past them?
• How many of my opponents named or heroic NPCs can I control or insta-kill myself?
• If I am unopposed IC then what written definition qualifies me to avoid "stampeding"?
• What is a 'fair' amount of damage to take during a duel?
• If my opponent is outnumbered by PCs during a duel, what incentive does he have to modify the amount of damage he takes?
• If my opponent has been written into a wall yet demands we cannot kill his character, what incentive do we have to let that character go rather than request RPJ moderation to approve a kill?
• If a turbolaser bombardment of PCs is a superweapon, what incentive does winning the Fleet battle make over the ground battle?
• How many Factory Submissions does my opponent expect me to read during a duel before I am allowed to have more time to write up my replies?
• If I have blocked another writer and their sub-accounts then am I still required to respond to their character's attacks and challenges IC?
• How do you Fleet?

In conclusion. Yeah sure. Go for it. Won't change 99% of my PvP concerns.

 

[Liliane]