Making Changes to Canon Corporations

[Soliath Devin Talith]

This is quite simple. There has been a debate about getting rid of Canon Corporations, there was a debate among the FJ's and some very good points were made. However, i have decided to turn it over to you, the community.

The Reason behind this discussion;

1. Canon characters/names aren't allowed, companies should be treated the same.

2. These canon companies should/would have collapsed during the gulag apocalypse.

3. Canon names are abused to gain shortcuts to influence/power.

It should be noted that if option one goes through current Canon Corporations that exist and have been worked on will not be removed, simply renamed.

 

[Darth Metus]

The canon corporations are so engrained in the site's lore and culture that making such a drastic alteration wouldn't fit. Besides that, rules have been implemented to prevent someone from simply grabbing the largest canon corporation they can find and then abusing it to a large degree. At one point there were even check ins!

So it's a no from me.

 

[Rhain]

Wouldn't this just put a foothold for removing everything that is canon? Same arguments could be made in removing canon factions, but they are things that would still be brought up (granted in "neo" style but still brought up). I mean, if a company has a bit of history explaining that it disappeared for a time and returned, I see nothing wrong with that as groups/companies are remade by new faces tonnes of times. I even don't mind them not being gone for a time. My opinion though!

 

[Hal Terrano]

Middle ground, pls.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I think #2 is the best of both worlds.

 

[Aithne Charr]

Not to mention, you are asking to remove an entire aspect of the star wars universe. I have a question, if this rule happens who runs Kuat, who runs blastech, or do they just randomly vanish... this is not right in the least in my mind and im someone that has never and never planned to ever use a canon company...

 

[Tmoxin Temi]

I agree with both comments above. It's justifiable that established corporations would (apocalypse or not) have been rebuilt, continued on through family ties or have been sold to new owners while keeping the prestigious name and reputation. I personally haven't come upon an issue with no. 3 during my time on Chaos. IMHO they should stay the way they are.

 

[Soliath Devin Talith]

It should be noted that if option one goes through current Canon Corporations that exist and have been worked on will not be removed, simply renamed.

Guys, please actually read. No corporation would be removed, no assets would be taken. A name would be changed. Thats it.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Not to mention, you are asking to remove an entire aspect of the star wars universe. I have a question, if this rule happens who runs Kuat, who runs blastech, or do they just randomly vanish... this is not right in the least in my mind and im someone that has never and never planned to ever use a canon company...

If #1 is chosen it will simply need a new name. It will retain whatever it had before, any products submitted to the factory, it will just not be considered the same company as the canon blastech that existed prior to the gulag plague.

If #2 is chosen all canon companies will have a notation added that denote they are not the same company as they were prior to the gulag plague, but they will be allowed to retain their name(s) for the most part.

#3 is as it is now, for the most part.

 

[Sasha Santhe]

This is quite simple. There has been a debate about getting rid of Canon Corporations, there was a debate among the FJ's and some very good points were made. However, i have decided to turn it over to you, the community.

The Reason behind this discussion;

1. Canon characters/names aren't allowed, companies should be treated the same.

2. These canon companies should/would have collapsed during the gulag apocalypse.

3. Canon names are abused to gain shortcuts to influence/power.

It should be noted that if option one goes through current Canon Corporations that exist and have been worked on will not be removed, simply renamed.

1. Canon names are in use, both with companies, characters, governments, and especially with the Mandalorians who have people RPing the traditional Mandalorian Clans.
2. Companies may not have collapsed depending on how close to the only historical model we have for a massive plague we follow. If we follow real life logic during the plague in europe we actually saw the rise of the first colleges and tons of progression. I understand this is fantasy though and we shouldn't try to put too much real thought into things.
3. Eh, that was true before new factory rules. Now they are a brand name requiring people to RP out development threads to increase and tier and all that.

That being said. I've RPed a canon company for years. The idea of someone suddenly telling me I can't do that, or a new person can't do that, or have to completely change the entirety of my RP history on this site sticks in my craw.

The fact that this has been proposed before with a vote is getting tiring...

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

My vote is not to change their names nor remove them, but hey...I'm biased on this vote this time. I like the idea of the canon companies, just as the canon factions and references to canon characters...I don't think they should be removed or renamed.

 

[Hal Terrano]

I feel like only the brightest sparks on the board can actually read the second option.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I feel like only the brightest sparks on the board can actually read the second option.

It's my favorite option <3.

 

[Fatty]

I voted for the added annotation. Because honestly, what's the big deal with adding a little asterisk into your submission? It makes sense that these sorts of things would collapse and come back, and it's fairly unreasonable to assume that someone will just pick up right where they left off. They got to start again, even if they're using an old platform.

Of course, this "change" won't actually affect anything. The companies will still have existed as they have, and will continue to do so until given up. Literally, the only difference, is a tiny asterisk and a note at the bottom of the sub, as far as I understand

 

[Gilamar Skirata]

3. Canon names are abused to gain shortcuts to influence/power.

This is only true when companies are given nods or even more extreme, simply allowed by Company Creation staff to run amok. When I took on MandalMotors I was told that I was no different than any other company, in fact I was told that I couldn't make capital ships because MandalMotors in canon focused on small fighters and transports. This was while I was in tier IV. I had to WORK to get any where with this company and if canon names are being abused it is under the not so watchful eye of Company Creation and RPJ staff.

And while I agree that some canon companies should have bit the dust at the Gulag, some of the giant, big names were ingrained into cultural, planetary and even sometimes galactic significance (such as KDY for example). How well they all did during the Gulag should be obvious, but it is not unheard of even today where companies perish during hard times and someone, somewhere picks it up again. Option 2 is redundant and nitpicky.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I voted for the added annotation. Because honestly, what's the big deal with adding a little asterisk into your submission? It makes sense that these sorts of things would collapse and come back, and it's fairly unreasonable to assume that someone will just pick up right where they left off. They got to start again, even if they're using an old platform.

Of course, this "change" won't actually affect anything. The companies will still have existed as they have, and will continue to do so until given up. Literally, the only difference, is a tiny asterisk and a note at the bottom of the sub, as far as I understand

That was the goal!

 

[Captain Larraq]

3. Canon names are abused to gain shortcuts to influence/power.

I worked for my power and influence. I fought tooth and nail for fair and reasonable judgements in the factory throughout multiple incarnations of said factory. I started at the bottom and did thread after thread to build my name, my company, and competitive products from scratch. What few canon products MH has in its inventory have been recreated appropriately and submitted for approval through the factory instead of simply grabbing free handouts from wookieepedia and shoving them into threads. I for one, find this statement offensive. While some individuals may seek an easy route to power, this is not the case for every individual involved with canon companies. If you have individuals seeking to cheaply gain power and influence, then you have an issue with the quality of writers appearing on the board, not in the rules.

2. These canon companies should/would have collapsed during the gulag apocalypse.

When I decided to pick up the mantle of Mandal Hypernautics and make it my own, I used that ruin as a major plot point in the company's story. When Larraq took over, the company had fallen through several decades/generations of hard times and was struggling to hold together. The factories were in shambles and, initially, the company did little other than make parts to be put in MandalMotors starships.

1. Canon characters/names aren't allowed, companies should be treated the same.

This one makes little sense. That's like saying that the Republic shouldn't be a faction or that no faction is allowed to call itself "The Galactic Empire." People come here to roleplay in the star wars setting. Yes, a wide range or writers enjoy creating custom species, races, groups, companies, tech, exc to roleplay with in the Star Wars setting. But by denying writers the choice to also roleplay with established and loved organizations (like, say, Death Watch or Black Suns), you're alienating a group of writers and potentially discouraging new writers from joining the site by baring them from their favorite organizations. Companies and Factions are just too similar a concept for such justification to apply to them as does to, say, not allowing anyone to roleplay as Darth Vader.

It should be noted that if option one goes through current Canon Corporations that exist and have been worked on will not be removed, simply renamed.

I have busted my butt to build up the name of Captain Larraq and Mandal Hypernautics. In Character and out, they have gone hand in hand since I have been a member of this forum and there is not a single member on this board that can tell me I did not earn that reputation, good or bad, through my own actions and efforts. I have more than earned the right to wear the Mandal Hypernautics name with pride. I have no idea who's been running around attempting to grab power "the easy way" by taking control of a canon company, the the poor choices of a few bad seeds is by no means justification to punish and deprive writers who have committed no wrong.


ok... well, I'll be the first to admit that I've wronged. But that mainly just involves me being a *butt*. When it comes to Mandal Hypernautics? What I've done with my company is a shining example to the contrary of what this poll suggests.

 

[The End Narrator]

I can't say I agree with the: 3. Canon names are abused to gain shortcuts to influence/power.

Incom Corporation has made a few products to include probably one of the most superior anti-Vong starfighters to date (rather just remodeled the old one.) and hasn't grown past Tier III? Has several contracts with various companies and governments, even after pulling the Republic contract.

I just never understood the system fully to grow it.

Probably should be a Tier IV, maybe even V by now.

It's ok though, I'm comfortable where it's at.

I do need to contact [member="Alric Kuhn"] in a thread before I go on LOA - thanks for the reminder.

 

[Anija Betna]

I do not support this.

 

[Kei Amadis]

I don't know how it accelerates growth of a potential characters IC power in and of itself. It's just a background entity.

If you go this route, not that I really have a strong opinion either way, and so voted no. - It'd be better saying to run a canon corporation you need to do a dev thread, but senior positions within one can be rp'd out with a bit of background. That way there is no difference anyway to any normal corporation/faction, you are just swapping building your own with rising in corporate rank.

The dev thread would just be a normal RP thread in this case, showing a bit of the company, internal workings, your job whatever etc.