New Sith Council Poll

[Darth Vazela]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"]

If a Sith Lord cannot exert their dominance onto another, then they were never ever powerful at all. Have you ever roleplayed a Sith before? I get the feeling you haven't.

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

[member="Vilox Pazela"]

Sure have, hell Cyrus' first draft was written as a Sith. The core concepts behind the character are relatively unchanged though the background did significantly.

But I also tend to imagine that one simply does not run an Empire the same way you do, say, a wolf pack.

 

[Reverance]

This faction has always been run from the input of the whole for the sake of what was best for the entirety of the faction. Especially in regard to big big decisions. If you think differently, than you haven't been paying attention (Even before I was running things, the former administration polled the faction on whether to replace thr Dark Lord with pc or just put the npc back in, after he was killed - people voted for Npc and so it stayed).

If your intent is to drive a mass exodus from the faction, than by all means, put the decisions in the hands of one person and ignore the inputs of those who, historically, have had their voices and opinions considered.

[member="Vilox Pazela"]

I have a poster with all the logical fallacies. And I feel like you are throwing darts at the board to figure out which one to use next.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] | [member="Vilox Pazela"] | [member="Reverance"]

The One Sith does not operate under the 'canonical' (yes, I am using apostrophes, because at the end of the day canon does not mean much. We are a community of writers, we make our own canon).

It has always been a meritocracy ICly and OOCly. Work hard, show you got what it takes and you will be raised far in the hierarchy. No matter if you are a FU, a NFU or even a Yuuzhan Vong.

You only gotta look at the One Sith history. A NFU has held a Voice position, Baelor is a Hand of the Dark Lord, Tef wrote a Yuuzhan Vong Voice.

The distinction between Force users and non-force users don't matter at all.

 

[Darth Vazela]

[member="Reverance"]

What do you mean?

[member="Darth Carach"]

I think this is the problem. It is well known that outside of the OS, the larger community views it as a clique, a problem, unfair -- I could go on.

Warok's writer brought it up the other day. I was attacked by several Sith Lords, whose IC posts were more OOC inclined because I didn't fit into your OOC meritocracy.

 

[Placeholder 04]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] - By all means then, let's chat right here. I had an idea of one Sith Lord and one Moff/Admiral/NFU equivalent ruling over part of the One Sith territory, similar to the regional governors of the canon Galactic Empire.

The council fits that as well, though in a different fashion. An Empire cannot function on one guy's will alone - it's a lot of heretic slaughtering officers, enlisted men, and civil servants working together to keep things from falling apart. The Sith, in my mind, should be working toward the same end.

Power purely for the sake of power is boring, anyway.

Using myself as an example, Mephirium cannot fleet. It does not compute, mostly because it doesn't work for me either. He isn't that into ground strategy. He's a big picture man. He can come up with the overarching plan and what needs to be done, but there are other people more suited to actually making that plan work on the ground than he is.

So sum it up, a NFU brings things to the table many Sith won't. A lot of us are too busy committing planetary genocides, seducing little padawans, and smacking our glow sticks against one another to learn how a Star Destroyer works and where you should hit it to bring the boom.

That's my IC justification for the council; not wasting talent.

What about you? Got any ideas?

 

[Isar]

Warok's writer brought it up the other day. I was attacked by several Sith Lords, whose IC posts were more OOC inclined because I didn't fit into your OOC meritocracy.

Don't put words in my mouth.

You bellied-up to the Sith Temple on Prakith demanding an audience with the Dark Lord, with the intention of becoming the next one. You came upon a gaggle of Sith Lords lounging around, going about their daily business. Yes, that means knitting and reading for some of us.

When you didn't get one you attacked 7 or 8 Sith Lords and got curb stomped.

Also, I find it highly ironic that you're grumbling about OOC in IC when you decided it would be cool to alchemize farts.

I can't even remember the last time you were actually active in the One Sith. You sense a power vacuum and you want to wiggle your way in.

[member="Vilox Pazela"]

 

[Darth Prazutis]

Arrogance has always been the hubris of the Sith. Despite how they treat those they feel are below them as non force users, they don't truly realize the value in those soldiers. What are you going to do with your lightsaber and fancy force powers when 100, 500, 1000 soldiers are blasting at you at once, or when the intake of air from a Tannhauser thermobaric shell rips your lungs apart? Just look at what happened to the Jedi when they tried to fight Order 66, they were put down by those NFU's pretty damn hard.

In the end there is no One Sith, there is no Empire here without both Force Users and Non Force Users working in tandem. If the Army and Navy pulled out and thus the "NFU's" this faction wouldn't gain any ground against its enemies, and wouldn't be able to do much. I too agree we should decide ICly like [member="Darth Vornskr"] mentioned on how we are governed. NFU's should be able to stand on equal footing with FU's in a council if they earn the spot.

 

[Darth Vazela]

Don't put words in my mouth.

You bellied-up to the Sith Temple on Prakith demanding an audience with the Dark Lord, with the intention of becoming the next one. You came upon a gaggle of Sith Lords lounging around, going about their daily business. Yes, that means knitting and reading for some of us.

When you didn't get one you attacked 7 or 8 Sith Lords and got curb stomped.

Also, I find it highly ironic that you're grumbling about OOC in IC when you decided it would be cool to alchemize farts.

I can't even remember the last time you were actually active in the One Sith. You sense a power vacuum and you want to wiggle your way in.

[member="Vilox Pazela"]

I've fought in more battles for the One Sith as [member="Darth Ayra"] than you ever did as your Whale or Ewok character.

Eye for an eye when it came to the alchemized fart, after what happened in 2014.

 

[Hailey Sosis]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

 

[Jairus Starvald]

I've fought in more battles for the One Sith as [member="Darth Ayra"] than you ever did as your Whale or Ewok character.

You mean you let yourself be ran off by a couple of padawans after storming them thinking you were the hero the Sith needed, not the one it deserved.

I advise you to stop posting, all you are doing is cementing your reputation in front of the entire faction.

There ain't nothing to be earned here by you.

 

[Hailey Sosis]

[member="Warok the Defiler"] was that the naughty step refrence

 

[Isar]

Alright, humor me you wonderful villains of the One Sith, while I respond to this.

[member="Vilox Pazela"], let's check and see.

Darth Ayra:
Recent invasions participated in -
Telti, Kashyyyk.


I mean, feel free to show me the others, but Warok alone has at least two invasions under his belt. So probably not.

Anyhow, move along.

 

[Hailey Sosis]

[member="Warok the Defiler"] Do you even remember the naughty step, my favorite line ever, I am so disappointed
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/31465-on-prakith-shadows-clash-one-sithask/page-3?hl=%20naughty%20%20steprefresh you memory

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

Bear in mind this is purely IC.

The way I see it [member="Darth Mephirium"] is in something of a precarious position. Previously the Dark Lord was something of an inviolate position, it had never been challenged successfully (i think).

In doing so Mephirium has achieved remarkable success, but also shown that such a thing is possible. Now you could potentially have every wannabe Sith Lord trying their hand at a coup.

But a successful coup requires significant resources, as shown, as well as internal disorder. That can be mitigated by appealing to the existing Imperial power structures.

The Army and Navy are both established forces likely with significant influence. Now one could take the traditional Sith method of dealing with competing influence and just murder the top brass but then you risk driving compotent existing leadership into the camps of other Sith or simply reducing the overall level of ability in order to increase control. Both lead to internal instability and potentially provide resources to rivals.

So the way I see it, the smartest solution for any would be Dark Lord is to quickly garner the loyalty of the key established power structures of the Empire. I would love to have this discussion between Cyrus and Mephirium ICly.

Everything you said is equally relevant of course, and OOC the reasons have already been very clearly laid out.

 

[Ellie Mors]

it had never been challenged successfully (i think).

Depending on how you define successful, Junra killed the Dark Lord and then was put down by Silara & Reverance. So whether you call dying immediately after as being successful or not, results may vary.

Should be noted that Junra did such in what was basically full-view of the full collection of Voices & Hands and select others during an important meeting without actually leading a huge rebellion.

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

[member="Braith Achlys"]

Hmm, that changes things a bit, could use those events to take the argument either way as to the political legitimacy, as it were, of the seat of Dark Lord.

In any event i think it still fits that trying to secure the loyalty of the army/navy/beauracracy would be seen as a reasonable measure to try and prevent such an occurance.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"]
Of course. Loyalty from everyone due to presumed equality is a better safeguard than a rule by fear.

 

[Reverance]

[member="Vilox Pazela"]

Big image below (I believe [member="Cyrus Tregessar"] mentioned No True Scotsman) Add to that tu quoque, anecdotal, bandwagon (clique), ad hominem, and a bonus one not listed - appeal to antiquity. Well done, that's a pretty solid spread.

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Scratch that, I found you another image that lists appeal to tradition or antiquity (canon argument)

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