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OS vs. GR campaign idea

Draco Vereen said:
E) Kaine, I hate you.
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[member="Teresa Shan"]

Stop. Right now you are being rude and doing nothing more than causing drama. This forum isn't anyone's safe place and if you can't take criticism, simply don't post your idea here. People have a right to give their opinion and you know what? Isamu has been continuously working to make the faction a better place since Rev was a FO but you? Who are you? I've never heard of you or even seen your face around here before now and you are painting yourself in a horrible light by being blatantly rude to a highly respected member of the One Sith.
 
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Ok to begin with I understand what and where [member="Isamu Baelor"] is saying and coming from. At first glance this is a very exclusive type of Idea when the Limiting the number of writers able to participate are looked at but then again this is simply a matter of trying to see if an experimental idea works. To put gains up is a good incentive yes but there was an idea of using this as doms for both sides, if the winner is the "Attacker" and takes the planet while the "Defender" losses it simply means they brought their army in first but were kicked out by superior strategy and military ingenuity.
Yes a sinlge battle group would be limited in writer numbers but as stated before there can be a number of those same battle groups which wouldn't exclude anyone from this. Yes the experiment will be a little exclusive given that it's only a single battle group but what I'm hoping for is to see if this works or even can work. The main point is to have fun and to expand on each characters stories, even helping those same writers give out thought out quality posts since they wouldn't have to hurry as much as with doms.
Also This way we can allow fleeters to have fun by allowing them to feel important (Because they will be and you guys know we need fleeters) when they are left in charge of the battle in orbit while the other four or five are on the ground, Some of those 4-5 could even back up the fleeter with being in a star-fighter.

What really brought me to this idea was the similarities I instantly drew from this idea to the clone wars. Given that the OS can't really deploy all of it's military might on a single invasion and expect their enemies to not come at another of their planets when they are occupied. By segmenting the military a little bit we can make it a little more IC sense that there are a few battle groups roaming around in OS space which can be used for defense or offense but then again this is simply what I thought of when I first read this idea.

[member="Konrad von Grimmelshausen"] [member="Darth Rapax"] [member="Briga Tiin"] [member="Darth Vornskr"] [member="Teresa Shan"]

Thank you very much Draco, C) is right.
[member="Draco Vereen"]

I hope you are willing to at least give this a try despite the little drama pot that got stired up.
[member="Eldaah Aderyn"]
 
Blackened Valkyrie — The 14th Wife
Yes I have a right to my opinion too or am I wrong there.

But to simplify what I ment I'll brake it down.

  1. As individuals you can't stop us - on the ooc a lot of people took this up as something that could be fun...
  2. Nothing has stated that the entire fraction can't participate in this - sure each story is set for a small group but obviously to stop the familiarity with the opposition writers would probably need swapping around to give different results. The big part is that with smaller group of people at one time drama would be easily contained and solved without 50 other people throwing in more words making a flame an inferno.
  3. It creates a fun story with perpous - well we a writers I don't need to explain that part.
  4. It is something different - I'm sure if you ask around many people are just board of doms and invasions so something new to the table would appease to these people.
Also my last comment was more on the fact what's said in pm should stay in privet or am I wrong on that?
 
Isamu wasn't trying to stop the idea or dissuade anyone from trying this. He was simply worried about the implications of this idea, should it go sour or if Clique begin to appear that are tight knit groups that don't move around to try different things with other writers. (This is an example I thought could happen). Any Idea good or bad in it's intention can always have bad repercussions but to begin with I'm simply trying to see if there is interest in trying this out and talking this idea over.
To begin with it, isn't even set in stone if this is a thing or not and talking it over, getting the good and bad from criticisms of the idea is what needs to be done to see if this is in fact a good and viable idea to begin with.
[member="Teresa Shan"]

So guys let's keep any hostility between us to a minimum and think on this idea. No one is personally attacking anyone here, let's be civil about this and have a reasonable argument about this.
 
While I don't like the idea of rewards, I understand the need for incentive. But the real issue here is the exclusive nature of this type of campaign. Yes we could up the numbers, but running one of these at a time does make it very exclusive, at the moment we're looking at having 14 writers out of about 1500 members from both factions (764 according to GR page, 743 according to ours) write these stories and fight for these planets. That is less than one percent of the characters from the factions.

A big problem I've found, not only in the faction, but the site in general is that not enough of the more seasoned members reach out to new members more than a welcome. It forces new members to try to figure a way into rp's rather than being invited. and things like this, while it is a great idea, will make a lot of members feel excluded, especially new members; who are almost nearly limited to training threads and waiting for a master to pick them up.

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying it could be revised to be more open to more writers. And if it does turn out that people aren't going to participate, at least they were granted the option to try to.
 
[member="Gorteko Graye"] that is true and as I stated there is the option of having multiple battle groups. That could have it so that a few of those groups come together over some planet and we could have more than one of these battles going on at a time.
While yes I do understand that newer members do need to feel included but I also thought this might just be a way to include them in this as well. since currently I'm looking for anyone that is willing to join this experiment, new and old writers/members alike.
Also as a side note Gorteko with the numbers you posted over the member count of either faction, tell me have you ever seen more than a fraction of those very same numbers appear in a dom, invasion or even skirmish? this is simply food for thought as this might be exclusive at first glance but this could bring about groups of friends to have fun and expand on their characters.
 
I wouldn't participate (I think I want a better understanding of how battles work on this site first), but I think this is a good idea to throw support behind. Good luck with putting this together. Seems like it would be a lot of fun.
 
Just make multiple battle groups of Five and rotate out as needed, or even host more. The point the other dude (Republic who made this) was trying to make was to promote smaller RPs so those in it get more interactions with each other.

I don't see a problem with a 5v5 or a 10v10. Seriously, just make multiple groups. It's a campaign. If you don't want it to be limited, go make your own for larger scale. No ones stopping that.

Just sayin.
 
The planet that is thought of being the target for this experiment is Mimban If that is all right with those that are already committed then I'll hear from the Gr side of things.

As it currently stands the slots are filled by the following characters and their respective writers that have committed to the experiment.

Name - Role
@Darth Erebos - Most likely the fleet part.
[member="Darth Rapax"] - Ground/PVP
[member="Darth Ax'no"] - Currently Unknown
[member="Saki lin"] - Ground
[member="Belgerath"] - Ground/PVP
[member="Shewesa Quinnelle"] - Currently unknown

Here are those interested but I haven't been able to confirm if they are committed to it or not.

[member="Eldaah Aderyn"]
[member="Darth Ferus"]
[member="Gorteko Graye"]
 
[member="Darth Erebos"]

Just to help kick this off, toss me in it. I'll make a special entrance and fight some Pubby. I don't do the whole army thing though, so I'll see if someone wants to play assassin and mouse.
 
I agree with [member="Isamu Baelor"] about the idea of limiting the number of writers for either factions. Exclusivity in Faction threads shouldn't be desired.

Also in case someone is interested, here's something similar to the lead that I haven't seen tried, yet would be very interesting:
Instead of an Invasion being a single event/thread for two weeks, the Battle for a planet actually lasts for a month in a series of short, quick threads. People can make their own threads and flashpoints, so it would be just as a thread where two small groups duke it out for balls of clay (planets).

For example, the hypothetical Battle of Naboo would be:

Stage 1: Day 1 - 7
The Battle begins
Skirmish: Opening fleet battle
Skirmish: Sleeper agents wake to cause chaos planetside
  • Dog fights, capital vessel boarding, intensive forward firepower on that starship
  • Groundside threads attempt to paint a picture of what the planet is like
Stage 2: Day 7-14
The Battle intensifies
Skirmish: Theed crisis
Skirmish: Gungan crisis
  • The crisis around the planet begin to get real.
  • Sides attempt to secure resources for the final battle
Stage 3: Day 14-28
Invasion: Final battle
  • Events that have transpired for the past two weeks build to the final battle
  • All that effort in the last two weeks create an interesting, organic dynamic for the final battle
 
[member="Soeht"]

Then go make one for all sorts of people.

This is a test run, using a small number of people to see if it works. If it does, I'm sure the numbers will be made bigger. Maybe even unlimited. If unlimited creates the drama known in invasions, it'll be limited again.

Stop worry about the numbers and just see if it works. You can always, as I stated above, either make an unlimited number yourself, or make multiple five person groups. Or larger numbers.

I've always thought smaller groups help make those there feel more comfortable writing with one another and promotes friendships that can last long outside of the battles. Try this 5v5 and see what happens [member="Darth Erebos"] , I don't see anything wrong or bad with it.
 

Isamu Baelor

Protector of The Iron Realm
Let's not go down the "If you don't like it, go do your own!" route. It's childish. The reason this idea was posted here was to get feedback from our community. As I said before, that isn't limited to just positive feedback. It's up to the idea presenter to take this feedback, make any changes they wish, and then continue with the idea.
 
So I know I am super new to One Sith (so new I've only met one character icly infact) but I hope its ok if I give me opinion?

Let me prefice by saying that I write for a living (urban fantasy novels). I am use to solo writing in the 1st person, not having to deal with another writer (just a pain in the arse editor), but typically it goes smoothly. That's not like writing 'play by post' at all. Allow me, if you will, to delve deeper:

As a new member to chaos it is VERY hard for me to get anything going for my character. Granted that is largely on me for how I write Jake Daniels and his motives in the galaxy. That hasn't stopped me from observing a trend though. I typically see the same writers (I say writers because I do profile snoop and see who writes what characters) write with each other. I usually see establish characters/writers write with other established characters/writers (not counting training threads). I suspect though that I may not be the only new member to experience this either in the past or currently.

For a project like this I would like this to be used as an example of a "veteran board member of a rival faction" roleplay out something with a new member of another faction. Does it always have to be Master v Lord or Lord v Knight? No. Of course people will probably say "but omg the new person will lose!!!" So what? #wontsomeonepleasethinkofthestory

Going back to my background in writing novels, I always knew how it would start (which it seems like there is a premise here in the works which is great!) but the question is conclusion. I always knew how the story would end. My goal as the author was to fill that void in the middle of the beginning and the end with a story that made sense and was enjoyable to read. That is why I never liked invasions on several other boards. The end was never worked out. It was a free for all. People got angry because they didn't want their characters to lose. I do understand not everyone writes like me and may not want to write something out they know they wont win before hand. As an Author the goal, though, is the story overall.

The other issue is how welcoming will this be towards new players. The reason I say try and aim for a vet rping with a newer member is for two purposes:
  • It gives both writers new experiences
  • It established both characters in the others "universe", even if its their one and only encounter. People meet each other.
I wouldn't even give people a choice as to whom they would rp with. So long as there is a commitment to rp and both say they are going to, then the two honchos putting this together pair people up and tell them "work it out and make your story grand". The worst thing that can happen is "roflstomp" all over a new character. For anyone to enjoy a new character they arent going to want to read six back to back posts about how cruddy and infantile that character is who is ultimately dismissed with a single lightsaber swing.

Likewise, it should also expose the new player/character to the power of their opponent and what they may want to ultimately strive for. Respect for both characters and both writers. Get people to rp with other people; not the same ones repeatedly. How do you not portray a character thats weak and inferior without coming off as dismissing? How do you adequately show the power of a Lord or Master or a well trained Knight? Through open dialogue between writers. Showcase both characters with the respect that both writers and characters deserve.

Again I understand preplanned outcomes are not a popular thing and I don't know if it would ever work in something like this. My focus would be entirely on working new players with board veterans and see how it goes! If you just cannot find enough new members to partake, then so be it but at least you tried. The key though... you'd have to reach out to them. Trust me a new member would love to get a pm from a board vet asking if theyd like to join a cool new idea :)

Its hard enough for new members to reach out to board vets; harder still when a said vet completely dismisses and blasts your character via PM as weak, inferior, and not worth their time to even entertain (that happened to me on my first outreach to someone for a potential rp on Chaos). Bad taste in my mouth that will probably take very long while to get over.

Ill be honest. I wont participate in this. That's only because as a character Jake just isn't the whole invasion, dominion, uprising kind of guy. He never has been. However I would love to read this as it unfolds in a story. I support it but with a splash of vet - new player interaction mixed in.

Yes I talk... a lot. Yes... I ramble... a lot. But thank you to anyone who took the time to read my thoughts and suggestions on this. It is very much appreciated.

Much Love,
~J.
 
Darth Erebos said:
Since currently I'm looking for anyone that is willing to join this experiment, new and old writers/members alike.
This is exactly the kind of thing I wanted to hear! It's why I've been asking people if they wanted to join this, new or old. The kind of argument and the kind of post [member="Jake Daniels"] just said is the best kind both constructive and critical over the entire Idea. Just like [member="Isamu Baelor"] just said above you, feedback has to be both negative and positive to be even taken seriously in the long run. Though I myself have rarely ever gotten a reach out from new members but I'm always happy to help out in anyway, but that's just a side note.

In the end I am looking for those willing to dedicate themselves to this experiment even if their character is just spring time flowering new it doesn't matter in the slightest just a willingness to commit to even a single one of these battle group threads is fine in my book. At the current I'm not looking for a limited number of people I want to see just how many there are that wish to join for now.

As [member="Darth Ferus"] did mention it might be a 5v5 or it could start out as 5v5 and then evolve into a 10v10 as both battle groups call in another group for reinforcements. This way the number of writers can be from limited to unlimited and won't exclude anyone (I hope) in the long run. However [member="Soeht"] Did come with an interesting Idea to try out and if he asked I'd love to help him out with it but as of right now I would like to focus just a smidgen more on this idea at the moment.
 

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