Raziel's WIP starship template update

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Raziel"]
Let me have a full read through, but a first skim leaves me super impressed. Nicely done, Rhys!

 

[Jorus Merrill]

[member="Raziel"]

What you've done here is a massive step forward. This is excellent.

 

[Raziel]

Defense rating description calls itself armaments.

fixed

 

[Raziel]

I've changed the wording so companies can have 400m+ ships

I've fixed the typo in the chart

I've removed MGLT references

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Splendid work, Raz.

 

[Allyson Locke]

This has my full support and I'd like to implement it as soon as possible. Once you've made the necessary edits just give me a tag and i'll post it up for the rest of the admin team to look at. Should pass through no problem honestly its a cleaner and friendlier version of what we have now.


The charts are great visuals and the tag to where you obtain the lengths is pretty awesome. [member="Raziel"]

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Raziel"]

Two minor things I noticed on a last look over:

• Star Destroyers are traditionally 1600 metres, right?
• The ISD II at least could have 6 squadrons and 800 capital guns. Now of course it had no defence guns but we should be able to make most canon designs with this.

Which leads me to one final inclusion I think makes sense.

• If people want to alter the templates somewhat, perhaps we should include a conversion chart for warheads-turbolasers-defenceguns and how they can be exchanged? I mean, it's implied you can do so, so why not set it here in stone so everyone is on the same page?

 

[Raziel]

Weapon	Examples	Value
Cannon	Laser, Ion	1
Torpedoes	Proton Torpedo, Concussion Missile	2 (One launcher with four missiles)
Heavy ordnance	Proton Rocket, Proton Bomb	2 (One launcher with with two bombs)

Weapon	Examples	Value
Defensive Emplacement	Quad Laser Cannons, Antimissile Octet, Antimissile Octet, Point defense cannon	1
Capital Emplacement	Turbolasers, Capital grade ion cannon	2
Large Emplacement	Proton Torpedo, Concussion Missile, Intruder Missile, Heavy Turbolaser	4
Very Large Emplacement	Turbolaser Battery, Quad Turbolaser, Long Range Turbolaser	8
Extreme Emplacement	Hyper Velocity Gun, Heavy Tractor Beam, Assault Concussion Missile	20

 

[Raziel]

I bloody wish we had tables here.

 

[Raziel]

Starfighter Weapons

• Starfighter CannonsExamples: Laser, Ion
• Value: 1

[*]Torpedoes

• Examples: Proton Torpedo, Concussion Missile
• Value: 2 (One launcher with four torpedoes)

[*]Heavy Ordnance

• Examples: Proton Rocket, Proton Bomb
• Value: 2 (One launcher with two bombs)

 

[Raziel]

Starship Templates
Lengths Applied As Per An Adjusted Anaxes War College System.

According to this system, capital ships were divided into seven main classifications.[1]

• Corvettes: Ships of roughly 100 - 200 meters length
  Example: CR90 corvette, Marauder-class corvette

[*]Frigates: Ships of roughly 200 - 400 meters length

• Example: Corona-class frigate, EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate

[*]Cruisers: Ships of roughly 400 - 600 meters length

• Example: Belarus-class medium cruiser, Broadside-class cruiser kdb-1

[*]Heavy Cruisers: Ships of roughly 600 - 1000 meters length

• Example: Acclamator-class assault ship, Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser

[*]Star Destroyers: Ships of roughly 1000 - 2000 meters length

• Example: Imperial-class Star Destroyer, Nebula-class Star Destroyer

[*]Battlecruisers: Ships of roughly 2000 - 5000 meters length (small battlecruiser models were classed as "Star Cruisers", to separate them from larger ships of the type, but few recognized this classification as a formal part of the system.)[1]

• Example: Bulwark-class battle cruiser, Praetor Mark II-class battlecruiser

[*]Dreadnaughts: All ships over 5000 meters length

• Example: Executor-class Star Dreadnought, Kor Chokk grand cruiser

 

[Raziel]

Capital Grade Weapons
Note: this chart is for guidance only.

• Defensive WeaponsExamples: Quad Laser Cannons, Antimissile Octet, Antimissile Octet, Point defense cannon
• Value: 1

[*]Turbolasers Emplacement

• Examples: Turbolasers Capital grade ion cannon
• Value: 2

[*]Large Emplacement

• Examples: Proton Torpedo, Concussion Missile, Intruder Missile, Heavy Turbolaser
• Value: 4

[*]Very large emplacement

• Examples: Turbolaser Battery, Quad Turbolaser, Long Range Turbolaser
• Value: 8

[*]Heavy Ordnance

• Examples: Hyper Velocity Gun, Heavy Tractor Beam, Assault Concussion Missile
• Value: 20

 

[Raziel]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

I've massively simplified the old nonsense into the above. I'm reticent to put anything more complex.

Any complaints of "oh but the old one was 5 for a long range" or "what about a double, repeating homing..." will be summarily ignored

I'm going to assume the ISD II as the pinnacle of Imperial Technology had some dev! Otherwise I could push the guns up to 500 and add 2 squadrons to the other one.

 

[Raziel]

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Chaos References
Note: These are here for guidance purposes. Hard limits and development guidance is provided in the template itself. The exchange tables are provided to guide you in customising a ship from one of the basic examples to add unique weapon load-outs.

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Spoiler: CHAOS SPEED CHART

Spoiler: CHAOS EXAMPLE SHIP REFERENCE CHART

Spoiler: STARFIGHER WEAPONS EXCHANGE CHART

Weapon	Examples	Value
Cannon	Laser, Ion	1
Torpedoes	Proton Torpedo, Concussion Missile	2 (One launcher with four missiles)
Heavy ordnance	Proton Rocket, Proton Bomb	2 (One launcher with with two bombs)

Spoiler: CAPITAL SHIP WEAPONS EXCHANGE CHART

Weapon	Examples	Value
Defensive Emplacement	Quad Laser Cannons, Antimissile Octet, Antimissile Octet, Point defense cannon	1
Capital Emplacement	Turbolasers, Capital grade ion cannon	2
Large Emplacement	Proton Torpedo, Concussion Missile, Intruder Missile, Heavy Turbolaser	4
Very Large Emplacement	Turbolaser Battery, Quad Turbolaser, Long Range Turbolaser	8
Extreme Emplacement	Hyper Velocity Gun, Heavy Tractor Beam, Assault Concussion Missile	20

 

[Ellie Mors]

"what about a double, repeating homing..." will be summarily ignored

Where does that leave technology submissions of repeating weapons? People are still going to be submitting the weapons themselves, whether or not they are actually utilized in starships.

 

[Raziel]

Meh, work it out on the sub. Or ask for how how many laser canons of damage output can this do? We can't document and account for all possibilities.

The armament rating is mandatory for a reason.

 

[Gir Quee]

Meh, work it out on the sub. Or ask for how how many laser canons of damage output can this do? We can't document and account for all possibilities.

I'm sympathetic to simplifying gun tradeoffs, but at the same time, I'm thinking that as a judge, we're going to see a lot of people continue to use old weapons that they've submitted using the old gun tradeoff standards, which I think could cause some confusion.

So how do we deal with that? Do we rerate these older weapons? Deal with them on case-by-case basis, or standardize a response to them?

 

[Raziel]

[member="Gir Quee"]

Give me an example use case to work through.

The only minor change here is assault concussion missiles from 8 capital guns to 10.

Old subs get grandfathered.

We need to get out of the mindset of giving a damn about minor details in gun counts and work off the simplified "Armament Rating"

 

[Gir Quee]

We need to get out of the mindset of giving a damn about minor details in gun counts and work off the simplified "Armament Rating"

That is the beauty of the armament rating system, and I think that orthodox weapons that the average turbolaser or mass driver weapon, it works wonderfully. I'm more concerned that many of the user-submitted weapons come with special effects which I don't think are going to be easily compensated for by the armament rating system. For example, Mandal Hypernautics Jamming Beam Projector.

Normally, the armament rating system would make the exact number of weapons irrelevant. In this case however, the more of these present, the more enemy ships can be jammed.

 

[Darth Metus]

[member="Raziel"]

Battle cruiser average length is listed as 2,000 - 2,000.