Slugsthrowers VS Lightsabers

[Darius Olar]

While the gun science seems clear to me that slugthrowers are messengers of doom to Forcies, I think the main point is that the majority of Forcie players are overpowered as it is and there need to be checks to make things more level.

Why can't non-Forcies just have one advantage? And it's not even an advantage, considering the fact that NFUs can't dodge a bullet any better than FUs. Seriously, give a little.

Non-Force users have a variety of advantages over force users, typically numbers would be one of the key things, catching them by surprise, technical prowess if the force user in question relies slowly on their use of the Force, Teras Kasi and so on. There's a lot of things that can give a non-fu an advantage over a force user but if you're going one-to-one with one, whether it's a blaster or a slug thrower, you're less likely going to win if you think it's going to be the weapon you're using that's going to give you the victory.

You've got to be smart with Force users, you might be able to draw your gun but what's stopping the Jedi from yanking said gun from your hands with the force? Or rather, cutting the weapon in half.

Personally I am not against this, however, like I am with all things, if you intend to inflict injury upon my character without my consent or forewarning, I by no means have to accept this as this is my character, not yours, you would not like it if I was to say, throw Darius lightsaber at your kneecaps or cut off your hand without prior consulting you on the matter, as these things do have an impact on a character.

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

[member="Cira"]

Why do I feel your emphasis was on hunk

Trololol

 

[Cira]

[member="Cira"]

Why do I feel your emphasis was on hunk

Trololol

You are not a hunk!

 

[Aldous Hofmann]

[member="Nyxie"]

You just addressed one of the biggest misconceptions people have about plasma cutters.

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

You are not a hunk!

Well, It's not like I'll know since

YOU AREN'T SHOWING ME THE PICTURE

 

[Cira]

Well, It's not like I'll know since

YOU AREN'T SHOWING ME THE PICTURE

Why you crying? Is it because of the chocolate bunny?

 

[sabrina]

Okay spent bit of time thinking about this

The bullet hitting lightsaber, would move the ligh saber back a bit. Not for inertia reasons, but because the bullet would explode. The exploding bullet, would not harm the lightsaber user. As that would not pass the blade, as it is to hot.

They would be easier to block individual shot`s , as they are slower than blaster.

Their advantage would be lot`s shots, as this could cause the lightsaber wielder to mishandle the blade.

This my thought on the subject, though inherently blaster should be better as all major forces use them, not slug throwers.

 

[Grrwunhoooll Agaburry]

I cant believe this thread is still alive

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

Why you crying? Is it because of the chocolate bunny?

what does that even mean

 

[Noah Corek]

[member="sabrina"]
Actually blasters fire slower than slugthrowers, or so I've been led to believe.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="sabrina"]
Slugthrowers are the anti-saber weapon of choice.

There is no if's ands/or buts in this situation, they are literally the chosen weapon because you cannot deflect a physical object.

[member="Romeo Sin"]
Depending on the velocity the round is moving at, the melting temperature of the metal is not reached until extended contact with a saber has been made - which is like taking a wall and throwing it at a jedi and watching them try to cut it in half without having their saber being pushed back into them or towards them.

(v * m) / (p /0.1) = d

Where v is velocity, m is mass, p is melting point, and d is duration of contact.

The more Velocity and Mass exceeds melting point, the higher the duration of contact, meaning that the saber is blocking what would potentially be too much kinetic force for the wielder to physically hold back, causing it to be literally pushed out of their hands. What people seem to forget is that a saber doesn't just magically cut things, it literally melts what it touches due to the several tens of thousands of degrees that the blade of plasma puts off and is made of. Just a reminder: Plasma is the 4th state of matter, which is what lightning is made of. As is the sun.

Now that isn't to say that it isn't possible to block a shot, it's just that the nature of the weapon is that it isn't just one shot, and after a short while their hands/wrists/whatever will be worn out before the ammo is depleted, and THAT is when the disarming will occur. While slugthrowers are incredibly fast and hard to track, it is very possible to do so if you are extremely adept in force speed. (With significant training in that area, not just because "handwave".)

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Ah yes, slugthrowers, the panacea of all writers who think that blasters suck and sluggers are better.

Slugthrowers are pretty much useless against modern armour, but have a slight advantage against Force users, but nowhere near as many as this board seems to think. If sluggers were so much magically better, why is it that canon has them barely used against Jedi or Sith ever? The few times when they are, it’s either fringe groups or specialists. If sluggers were so superior, why didn’t the CIS arm half their droids with them and mow down the Jedi with M1 Garand bullets, since people at this site seem to think it’s that simple.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Also, a slugger bullet can be deflected if knocked off course. A lightsabre can contact with it on the side and cause it to ricochet away. Why? Lightsabre blades are solid plasma, they have the ability to knock things out of their course. We’ve seen this when Jedi deflect thrown or launched objects. Perfect example is in the TOR intro where Malgus uses his blade to deflect AND cut a heavy piece of debris thrown at him.

 

[Ignatius]

Ah yes, slugthrowers, the panacea of all writers who think that blasters suck and sluggers are better. Slugthrowers are pretty much useless against modern armour, but have a slight advantage against Force users, but nowhere near as many as this board seems to think. If sluggers were so much magically better, why is it that canon has them barely used against Jedi or Sith ever? The few times when they are, it’s either fringe groups or specialists. If sluggers were so superior, why didn’t the CIS arm half their droids with them and mow down the Jedi with M1 Garand bullets, since people at this site seem to think it’s that simple.

But... I like my M1 Grand! And my 1911! OH don't forget about my MG42! OR my Barrett 50 cal!

 

[Azrael]

Slugthrowers are pretty much useless against modern armour, but have a slight advantage against Force users, but nowhere near as many as this board seems to think. If sluggers were so much magically better, why is it that canon has them barely used against Jedi or Sith ever? The few times when they are, it’s either fringe groups or specialists. If sluggers were so superior, why didn’t the CIS arm half their droids with them and mow down the Jedi with M1 Garand bullets, since people at this site seem to think it’s that simple.

Agreed, which is why I like to use rail guns.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Ah yes, slugthrowers, the panacea of all writers who think that blasters suck and sluggers are better.

Slugthrowers are pretty much useless against modern armour, but have a slight advantage against Force users, but nowhere near as many as this board seems to think. If sluggers were so much magically better, why is it that canon has them barely used against Jedi or Sith ever? The few times when they are, it’s either fringe groups or specialists. If sluggers were so superior, why didn’t the CIS arm half their droids with them and mow down the Jedi with M1 Garand bullets, since people at this site seem to think it’s that simple.

brb, loading my slingshot.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Darth Vornskr"]
The Empire of Panatha’s elite slinger corps.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

[member="Darth Vornskr"]
The Empire of Panatha’s elite slinger corps.

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husband cause they be causing minor property damage all up in hurr.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Darth Vornskr"]
Minor concussion coming to a battle near you!

 

[Grrwunhoooll Agaburry]

Like i said before, Sonic blaster. Takes care of everything