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Steam Allows Mods to be Sold
- Thread starter Sabena Shai
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Yvette Dusong
The Painter
[member="Sabena Shai"]
Answering softball questions, ignoring most everything regarding donations, trying to shift the blame onto Bethesda due to the fact they take a bigger cut while they themselves agreed on this profit share ratio with no one twisting their arm, and writing a reply to the head of the Nexus that reads an awfully lot like "Hey kid, want a job at Valve?"
This is Valve sending out their teddy-bear in an attempt to appease the fans and use him to make everybody forget and forgive this crap while pushing it harder, and even Reddit of all places is tearing him a new one. Good.
Answering softball questions, ignoring most everything regarding donations, trying to shift the blame onto Bethesda due to the fact they take a bigger cut while they themselves agreed on this profit share ratio with no one twisting their arm, and writing a reply to the head of the Nexus that reads an awfully lot like "Hey kid, want a job at Valve?"
This is Valve sending out their teddy-bear in an attempt to appease the fans and use him to make everybody forget and forgive this crap while pushing it harder, and even Reddit of all places is tearing him a new one. Good.
I just really don't want people to start selling mods, leaving them (because even with these mods being purchased, they aren't going to be making a living off them...) due to work or other life things and then their mods become incompatible. It would be like buying a game, paying for DLC and then the main game gets an update that makes all your DLC crash your game but they won't fix the DLC. Now what? You just wasted some $200 for ten mods and your game now has to be deleted and you have to start from scratch.
While its good the modders are getting their recognition and at least some $$$ I just don't see how viable the system is considering how fragile Skyrim is.
While its good the modders are getting their recognition and at least some $$$ I just don't see how viable the system is considering how fragile Skyrim is.
Sabena Shai
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This already happens - especially for games that have a lot of DLC and frequent updates (see Paradox Interactive). Generally, these get fixed because not doing so crushes the trust future buyers would have for the company - so modders looking for repeat business will pretty much do the same thing.Galen Arterius said:
Skyrim is also safe from the whole "Game gets updated, mods don't work" scenario. That's one plus in attempting the paid mod system with that game - probably helps considering it has the con of highly interconnected mods.
The DLCs didn't start free. But in any case...Sabena Shai said:
This Happened
And This
And apparently Chesko might be leaving forever sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaQTgYCRS2w
EDIT: Apparently they took just...all the mods off of sale.
Yvette Dusong
The Painter
[member="Galen Arterius"]
That bloody Chesko update. On one hand I feel bad for the bastard for losing ownership of his creation and possibly having to refund everything out of his own pocket, on the other hand this is why you read the damn fine print in a contract when doing work with a major company in any industry. Also, enjoy it folks, straight out of his own mouth, Valve can decide what to do with his product now that it's on the workshop. And if that also doesn't provide enough proof that Valve is a-okay with people stealing work from others to make a quick buck, then I don't know what proof you people need to realize they are out for blood.
That bloody Chesko update. On one hand I feel bad for the bastard for losing ownership of his creation and possibly having to refund everything out of his own pocket, on the other hand this is why you read the damn fine print in a contract when doing work with a major company in any industry. Also, enjoy it folks, straight out of his own mouth, Valve can decide what to do with his product now that it's on the workshop. And if that also doesn't provide enough proof that Valve is a-okay with people stealing work from others to make a quick buck, then I don't know what proof you people need to realize they are out for blood.
I just don't Wet and Cold to break
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Yvette Dusong
The Painter
[member="Galen Arterius"]
Don't worry, I'm sure nothing bad will ever happen to Wet and Cold
Don't worry, I'm sure nothing bad will ever happen to Wet and Cold
WOOPS! Never mind! Welcome to the future you chose folks, by letting Valve and Bethesda exploit the modding community for it's own gain.
The Crashing Loony
I'm sorry, but I just don't think mods should be sold, and that's all I'm saying because I use Nexus for mine
Jsc
Disney's Princess
[member="Sabena Shai"]
I empathize with the owner of the Nexus Site. His question on Reddit to the Valve CEO about whether or not MODs will continue to have a 'free' option or pathing made available in their future User License Agreements was spot on. If free distribution of original content is made illegal completely, I'd be very disappointed. As it stands though. I'd still pay for MODs like I pay for Apps.
[member="Yvette Dusong"]
Sir, you are keyboard warrior worthy of the title. We who are about to click 'checkout', salute you.
I empathize with the owner of the Nexus Site. His question on Reddit to the Valve CEO about whether or not MODs will continue to have a 'free' option or pathing made available in their future User License Agreements was spot on. If free distribution of original content is made illegal completely, I'd be very disappointed. As it stands though. I'd still pay for MODs like I pay for Apps.
[member="Yvette Dusong"]
Sir, you are keyboard warrior worthy of the title. We who are about to click 'checkout', salute you.
Sabena Shai
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GabeN has made it clear in his Reddit comments that he'll do what he can to support free modding. Key thing is that he's made it clear the free mod section for Skyrim isn't going away.Jay Scott Clark said:
Granted, things can get hairy if the publisher of a game wants paid-only modding - but GabeN probably has enough leverage in word alone to convince to reconsider.
B E A C O N
Who cares. If you like it, pay for it; if you don't, don't.
Sabena Shai
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The Gopher video is definite worth watching. Though, it's long mostly because it isn't very scripted or edited.Jay Scott Clark said:[member="Sabena Shai"]
Yeah. The more I read the more this interests me. So yeah, keep throwing up the updates as you find them. I'll read it.
So cliffnotes:
- While he personally doesn't like paid-mods, he doesn't think it's wrong.
- He believes the Workshop as a whole is flawed, and that a paid system on it needs serious overhauls of it.
- The community's reaction to this whole thing disgusts him - especially in regards to how Chesko has potentially left modding for good and will take down his mods in both the Workshop and Nexus.
- He wouldn't mind the paid system disappearing - mostly to get rid of the community raging about it, and also in part because of its flaws associated with the Workshop system.
Yvette Dusong
The Painter
Uh-huh. Blow me mate.Jay Scott Clark said:
[member="Yvette Dusong"]
Let's keep things civil, this isn't the end of the world here.
Let's keep things civil, this isn't the end of the world here.
The Admiralty
This actually interests me to some degree, ain't got the time to watch the clip myself right now. But what exactly disgusts him here? The fact that Chesko might be leaving or how the community has reacted in regards to it?Sabena Shai said:
Sabena Shai
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Sorry, bad wording on my part.Jared Ovmar said:
Gopher is disappointed in the vitriolic comments a very vocal portion of the community has made. He believes these comments played a big part in Chesko taking down his mods from the Steam Workshop, and potentially also from the Nexus as well.
Sabena Shai
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Bethesda and Valve call it quits. Kind of surprised, kind of not. Valve does something that garners the ire of a lot of people every other year, and usually it's the same, "Hey, we're shipping something soon/now" fashion that they did with Paid Mods.
And despite negative reactions to stuff they've done before, this is the first time I've seen them back off completely. Granted, it's probably because of what GabeN said in his Reddit thread: they're data driven. People claimed to be boycotting L4D2, but it sold extremely well and a significant amount of people jumped ship to it. GabeN said Valve was spending $1M/d on just emails - so that alone is strong enough financial incentive to pull the plug - and something verifiable by metrics.
Kind of wondering about how and when Valve'll try the Paid Mod deal again.
And despite negative reactions to stuff they've done before, this is the first time I've seen them back off completely. Granted, it's probably because of what GabeN said in his Reddit thread: they're data driven. People claimed to be boycotting L4D2, but it sold extremely well and a significant amount of people jumped ship to it. GabeN said Valve was spending $1M/d on just emails - so that alone is strong enough financial incentive to pull the plug - and something verifiable by metrics.
Kind of wondering about how and when Valve'll try the Paid Mod deal again.