Tardy to the PARTY. (Dragon legality discussion)

[Nocturna]

This discussion is about (as you probably guessed) the dragon ban from being PC characters and being factory banned.How do you feel about it? Did it affect you? Any suggestions on a possible rule change? Do you like it better without dragons, if so why? This is JUST A DISCUSSION. But one I hope to eventually propose to staff to overturn or possibly amend the current ban. Only 3 rules.

1. Be cordial, opinions are welcome but be civil and cool in tone.

2. Be open to other opinions. this isn't a one way discussion.

3. Respect the staff. I really want feedback from them and I don't want this shut down because 7 of us are getting rowdy.

Other than that please post how you feel about a possible rule change or ammendment. I hope this accomplishes something and furthers our creativity and makes arsekicken RP!

 

[Natasi Fortan]

Completely agree with the ban. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to keep this place representative of the Star Wars we know and love. I don't like the notion that Star Wars can be all things to all people. It's special and wonderful the way it is, without trying to change it into something it's not. There is an almost-infinite number of species that one can play and still be true to the spirit of Star Wars. I don't see the need to expand into some kind of High Fantasy in Space territory.

But that's just my two cents.

 

[Judas of Vahl]

[member="Nocturna"]

The ban is good.

My character is entirely based around the concept of dragons and their characteristics, so I've done my deal of research into the matter and staff made the right decision. If you're wanting a dragon, just create an NPC. I've got one, but I'm very careful with the bad boy. If nothing had been done to dragons - what was to stop some mook from strapping a turbolaser and a hyperdrive onto one of those things?

 

[Captain Jordan]

Well, are we talking about the fantasy race straight out of Middle Earth? Then no, absolutely not.

Star Wars might be more fantasy than science fiction, but I would have the same feeling against directly importing an Elf, Dwarf, Wizard, or any other fantasy race/archetype. It doesn't belong here, it belongs in a true high fantasy game. I see no wiggle room on this, it's just not appropriate for this story.

If we're going to allow fantasy races, then I've got some Star Trek species to put up in the factory.

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Okay, assuming you're not talking about a fantasy-style dragon, I have to ask whether the species listed here are affected by this. There are a couple sentient species on that list and I don't see why they wouldn't be possible to play.

I can't see a problem with creating a similar species for the Factory. I honestly think a Factory submission so close to an existing canon species should be looked at more closely (if it isn't already), but that's neither here nor there. So long as the spirit of Star Wars is evident in the species writeup and how they're used, I don't see a problem.

If these are the species that are being banned, then I'd like to know the rationale. Or at least where they're listed as banned, since I can't find it.

Overall, how do I feel about this? I really could care less.
Am I affected? Not in the least, although facing some kind of dragon-type species on a planet could be a fun challenge, there are plenty of other canon creatures out there to use if that doesn't work.
Any suggestions on a possible rule change? At the very least, clarify the rules. If a change is to be made, it should be reasonable, because loopholes can and will be found.
Do I like it better without dragons? There are dragons?

 

[Nocturna]

And that is a valid opinion. But I have to say you write for a story with:
Wizards (sith)
Knights (Jedi)
Pirates (smugglers)
And countless other giant lizards that are totally legal. The spirit of star wars can manifest as anything George Lucas made countless species that I'm still learning to this day! now I will agree that there were more than enough dragons on the site but I think people wanting to play as a dragon should have to meet requirements to do so. Not fully take the ability away.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

Hey! looks like I'm the first to post here! Well that's fun. Anyways onto the actual subject. The rule hasn't exactly greatly affected me. I haven't thought of having a dragon as a tame animal and I had not wanted a dragon character. The idea of having a tame dragon is awesome though. With the ban there are other animals that could fill in, for instance the Veractyl, which I had been considering making a dev. thread for acquiring one, so at least there are alternatives. I think Dragons are awesome and would be really cool to have, I think the problem most people have is that in star wars history there hasn't been dragons other than the Krayt Dragon. My opinion though when I think of star wars is a vast universe where truely anything is possible. Because who is to say that on some far off planet a species didn't evolve into a dragon like form. Now a dragon humanoid I'm not as sure, but again there are all kinds of other strange creatures so who is to say. I think though if we were to allow a dragon humanoid or even a tamable dragon there should be restrictions in place. For a tame dragon there should have to be a long dev thread required it shouldn't be easy, but it also shouldn't be dumb like only use this type of word and stuff, it should be based on the quality of work put in. A dragon humanoid again should be restricted otherwise everyone will use it. If they have wings then they should only be able to fly for a certain amount of time, and fire breathing I'm not sure about. Especially if a dragon humanoid was a force wielder. They could breath fire, use the force, fly, and have natural weapons like claws teeth and a tail. I personally think that not just in the dragon case, but in other froms we are limiting the expansion of the universe by such strict rules, especially in the factory. If an item is remotely similar in function or idea to something else it is marked as plagiarism. Star wars is a universe of diversity, so saying that because tech has similarities to tech from other books/movies/or tv shows it should be banned I feel is ridiculous and limiting. I mean who is really going to get mad at people on this site for using an idea from something else. It is not like the stories we make on here are going to be published. No money is made, so we aren't profiting from an idea except in the fun we have while using it in an rp. Anyways this may have sounded long and rambley, but I wanted to cover all my bases. Hope I am contributing.



One more thing. People keep saying keep the spirit of star wars, but what does that really mean? If keeping the spirit of star wars is never going beyond what has already been put in the universe by george lucas, than what is the point of all this? I think we should take what is given, then add, and expand. Back when star wars was first made, people helping make the film thought it was all ridiculous. The creatures were strange, the world was huge and unknown. That is what it is about. The potential of the star wars universe is immeasurable. Yes restrictions need to be put in place to prevent over powering, but other than that the imagination has no limit. Yes no one should have the power to knock down any one who opposes them. They start from the beginning and with enough work and effort they one day have the power that may raise them above others. That is the way of things. I think if you put in the effort to work for something you should get it eventually. Like all I wanted was a grappling hook system that could be fired and retracted quickly, and controlled at will. I even went to the trouble of inventing a unique propulsion system using electromagnets, but it was denied because it had a similar function to something from a tv show. Any ways that is just my opinion. I'm not going to force it upon others, just putting it out there. thanks for reading

 

[Captain Jordan]

And that is a valid opinion. But I have to say you write for a story with:
Wizards (sith)
Knights (Jedi)
Pirates (smugglers)
And countless other giant lizards that are totally legal. The spirit of star wars can manifest as anything George Lucas made countless species that I'm still learning to this day! now I will agree that there were more than enough dragons on the site but I think people wanting to play as a dragon should have to meet requirements to do so. Not fully take the ability away.

Due note that I referred to Wizard as the race, not Wizard as the archetype. As you pointed out, the archetypes work, we just don't have our "wizards" casting spells per se. Our "elves" probably aren't immortal and secluded. Etc.

Yes, that's why I noted that Star Wars is more fantasy than science fiction. It's fantasy in space.

That doesn't mean fantasy characters or species work without any problems. How ridiculous would it be to come across a bow-wielding elf in the middle of a space station?

Think of it this way, if you were writing a high fantasy game, and I wanted to import the Death Star (come on, guys, Star Wars is just fantasy in space, it works), would you be okay with this?

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Captain Jordan"]

your right I have to totally agree with you if a death star ended up in middle earth I would say that isn't true to the theme. But if a wizard in a high fantasy rp...I don't know ...casted meteor? That's pretty much the same thing it's all about the wording so would space dragons created by sith magic or even just giant winged lizards that only look like dragons be too much? I don't think so but that's just me.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

And that is a valid opinion. But I have to say you write for a story with:
Wizards (sith)
Knights (Jedi)
Pirates (smugglers)
And countless other giant lizards that are totally legal. The spirit of star wars can manifest as anything George Lucas made countless species that I'm still learning to this day! now I will agree that there were more than enough dragons on the site but I think people wanting to play as a dragon should have to meet requirements to do so. Not fully take the ability away.

I'm not trying to be rude, just challenging a point you're making, so don't take this personally but: if they were to place restrictions on dragoons, make them legal but have people "meet requirements" to play them, what makes you think you would meet the requirements. And if you didn't, would you still agree with that course of action?

 

[Captain Jordan]

[member="Nocturna"]

You mean giant winged lizards like these?

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Avadreia Lacroix"]

Even if I didn't meet it I would support the rule. Because that gave me something to work to and personally I probably wouldn't make the cut. It's so hard for my best character to just get restricted metal I probably couldn't come close to getting a dragon. But someone could Faevenron (probably murdered that name) did it well I think I like how he played. This isn't just about me though I thoroughly just want to give people here the chance to be something that could be totally valid in our universe

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Captain Jordan"] yes.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I think "totally valid" is a stretch. There have been a lot of crappy additions to canon thanks to the EU and I count fantasy-type dragons among them.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

I'm not trying to be rude, just challenging a point you're making, so don't take this personally but: if they were to place restrictions on dragoons, make them legal but have people "meet requirements" to play them, what makes you think you would meet the requirements. And if you didn't, would you still agree with that course of action?

I know this wasn't directed to me, but I would like to add input. I think the purpose of the requirements is that any one could meet them. The requirements would be extraneous dev threads, and having raised your character to certain rank within your faction, or having a certain reputation, etc. It wouldn't be something random that only a select would get. It would be a goal that could be worked to over time, so really that question isn't valid, because he or anyone could meet the requirements if they put forth the effort. The real question would be "Are you willing to except difficult requirements that may take time, and a lot of work to meet."

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

I think "totally valid" is a stretch. There have been a lot of crappy additions to canon thanks to the EU and I count fantasy-type dragons among them.

So basically even though they existed in canon, or at least something similar to a dragon. Since it isn't in your mind what you would picture having in star wars it should be banned? Many people have different views on some of those canon additions. What you are saying is pure opinion on what is already in the star wars universe.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Ardeo Sophos"] rule 2. Be open we are a community and we should all have a say.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

[member="Ardeo Sophos"] rule 2. Be open we are a community and we should all have a say.

understood. Sorry if I came off harsh, and if I offended any one. That was not the intent.

 

[Nocturna]

I understand I'm just try to keep it civil is all I've had 2 discussions closed because of arguments I just wanna keep this one up.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

alright

 

[Lord Ajihad]

Dragons. Bleh. Do we seriously want PC's flappin' around and breathing fire down on people? First it's dragons, then it's Fairy Princesses, then it's Oompa-Loompas. It would ruin the idea of star wars, and delve too far into the fantasy realm. According to my calculations, it'd end up something like this:

Nobody wants the Millennium Falcor, or Willy Wonka in the Star wars universe. I'd prefer we separate Sci-Fi from full-blown fantasy. Just my 2 cents.