Tardy to the PARTY. (Dragon legality discussion)

[Nocturna]

[member="Avadreia Lacroix"] this character that I'm currently writing as is a dragon. She was created by Vong technology by mixing 4 different animals
A small dragon for the shape. A giant flying war beast for flight and size a fire breathing insect and an amphistaff do scales that seems pretty plausible for star wars. And to be fair star wars is fantasy in space. But I do see where you're coming from what dragons were here are close to extinction and there is just a lot of creative license to use one. But we live in a universe where people can force grip water into a tidal wave and sith can create suns from the force. I just think it's not too far of a stretch for a giant scaly flying creature to exist.

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

As far as I know the only completely sentient "dragon"-like species in Star Wars is the Duinuogwin... or however the hell it's spelled. So if you're looking to roleplay an actual "dragon" PC, then that is basically your only option.

Regardless of whether or not one thinks it's a silly concept (which I do), the species is far too overpowered to be a good PC choice. Hence the legitimacy of the ban.

I don't think anything more needs to be said, really.

 

[Raziel]

Glad they're banned.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Lord Ajihad"] .your characters name is from Eragon. And I don't think anyone wants barney the blundering purple dragon. But we've had rocket racoon, pandarians, and rengar from LoL nobody says anything about those. Nor should they. I think these creations add more flavor to the RP and I love seeing this happen I come to read other people's stories and make my own.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

[member="Avadreia Lacroix"] this character that I'm currently writing as is a dragon. She was created by Vong technology by mixing 4 different animals
A small dragon for the shape. A giant flying war beast for flight and size a fire breathing insect and an amphistaff do scales that seems pretty plausible for star wars. And to be fair star wars is fantasy in space. But I do see where you're coming from what dragons were here are close to extinction and there is just a lot of creative license to use one. But we live in a universe where people can force grip water into a tidal wave and sith can create suns from the force. I just think it's not too far of a stretch for a giant scaly flying creature to exist.

I completely agree. I mean give a Varactyl some wings and it is nearly a dragon.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Ludolf Vaas"] War Hydra, Rancor, Sith, Jedi, ...Tefka
All these things are awesome and OP.
Dragons have 2 strengths flying and armor. Point an anti aircraft gun at me and I'll die. Throw a couple jedi at me I'll be preoccupied. Shoot me with a fighter I'll go down. I'm not as overpowered as you would think

 

[Lord Ajihad]

your characters name is from Eragon.

True enough, though that was not the reason for the name. Not saying I don't like fantasy, just that it's not as appropriate in Star Wars rping.

we've had rocket racoon, pandarians, and rengar from LoL nobody says anything about those. Nor should they. I think these creations add more flavor to the RP and I love seeing this happen I come to read other people's stories and make my own.

This where personal opinion comes into play. You feel it's fine because it adds flavor to rping. I dislike it because I believe it just goes a bit far as far as fantasy goes. I would perhaps change my argument if the dragons were altered a bit. For example, taking away their ability to breath fire.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Lord Ajihad"]

That seems reasonable. Explain why you think the fire should be taken away. Hell explain why the dragons themselves are OP :/

 

[Josh Dragovalor]

I'm alright with the ban. Just having one as an NPC, provided we're careful with the buggers, is completely fine.

 

[Lord Ajihad]

[member="Nocturna"]

I don't recall ever saying Dragons were OP (Correct me if I'm wrong). My rument this entire time has been based off the fact that Dragons would make this entire site less Star Wars-like. We don't have Wizards. Why? Because it's fantasy. We don't have Goblins. Why? Because it's fantasy. We don't have Fairies. Why? Because it's fantasy.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Avadreia Lacroix"] this character that I'm currently writing as is a dragon. She was created by Vong technology by mixing 4 different animals
A small dragon for the shape. A giant flying war beast for flight and size a fire breathing insect and an amphistaff do scales that seems pretty plausible for star wars. And to be fair star wars is fantasy in space. But I do see where you're coming from what dragons were here are close to extinction and there is just a lot of creative license to use one. But we live in a universe where people can force grip water into a tidal wave and sith can create suns from the force. I just think it's not too far of a stretch for a giant scaly flying creature to exist.

There are very few, if any, dragons in canon. Throughout canon I can count them on the fingers of one hand. One hand. And those that are shown are not dragons in the terms of what we call dragons. Krayt Dragons and such are not traditional dragons.

I completely agree. I mean give a Varactyl some wings and it is nearly a dragon.

That hardly matters. All PCs must belong to a sentient species.

[member="Ludolf Vaas"] War Hydra, Rancor, Sith, Jedi, ...Tefka
All these things are awesome and OP.
Dragons have 2 strengths flying and armor. Point an anti aircraft gun at me and I'll die. Throw a couple jedi at me I'll be preoccupied. Shoot me with a fighter I'll go down. I'm not as overpowered as you would think

War Hydra, Rancor, the two are irrelevant to the discussion as you cannot PC either of them just as you cannot PC a dragon. Species which are not sentient may not be used as a PC.

Dragons do not belong in star wars just as much as Angels and Demons do not.

 

[Nyxie]

[member="Nocturna"], your character got the slip anyways, so why are you still bringing up this subject? o.o

Also worth noting I don't *think* it's written anywhere that there can't be any more dragon-esque species submitted to the Codex (it's not called the Factory any more).

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

[member="Ludolf Vaas"] War Hydra, Rancor, Sith, Jedi, ...Tefka
All these things are awesome and OP.
Dragons have 2 strengths flying and armor. Point an anti aircraft gun at me and I'll die. Throw a couple jedi at me I'll be preoccupied. Shoot me with a fighter I'll go down. I'm not as overpowered as you would think

The first two aren't sentient creatures, and Jedi and Sith both require extensive time and training to become powerful. They aren't born that way.

Anyway. I'll bite and dive right in to the rest of your idea.

[member="Avadreia Lacroix"] this character that I'm currently writing as is a dragon. She was created by Vong technology by mixing 4 different animals
A small dragon for the shape. A giant flying war beast for flight and size a fire breathing insect and an amphistaff do scales that seems pretty plausible for star wars. And to be fair star wars is fantasy in space. But I do see where you're coming from what dragons were here are close to extinction and there is just a lot of creative license to use one. But we live in a universe where people can force grip water into a tidal wave and sith can create suns from the force. I just think it's not too far of a stretch for a giant scaly flying creature to exist.

This is way too farfetched.

1. How is it possible to genetically combine 4 completely different species? Lern2genetics, because that's not exactly how it works. The only way it would be remotely possible is through some sort of magic.

2. Do the Yuuzhan Vong even possess such magic? Where have they used it before?

3. Assuming they are even capable, why would the Vong create something like this? To what purpose?

4. How are you combining 4 non-sentient species and getting a sentient character out of it? Again, do the Vong even possess the ability to endow a creature with full sentience?


Just pick a normal race, dude.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Ludolf Vaas"]
My Character is semi-sentient. Not sentient.
Yes they have the ability to "shape" creatures.
It is canon they have made sentient creatures however they are a weak willed species.
Everything they use is organic and nothing is tech. They shape everything they use.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Ludolf Vaas"] My Character is fine. It's a semi sentient Biot not a dragon it just happens to look like one. This post isn't for me it's for the whole site.

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

This post isn't for me it's for the whole site.

And the opinion seems fairly clear.

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

I mean, sure I guess... if roleplaying a semi-sentient character is your thing. Have fun with that, I suppose.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

Again I have to goo back to the fact that Star Wars is not a very limited universe. Look at all the species in Star Wars. Not one of them is real, nor any stranger than a dragon. To try to explain why a creature that does not actually exist would not fit in with again more creatures that don't exist is ridiculous. In fact a dragon has more going for it as far as plausible existence goes than a lot of aliens in star wars. A dragon is a lizard with wings. A good way of explaining the breathing fire is not magic which would make it fantasy, but that when they digest food they store the gas made is it is decomposed in a third lung. The dragons chew on magnesium rocks keeping them lodged in their mouths. When they expel the stored gas and bite down on the magnesium they create fire. Not magic, science. Someone honestly try to explain to me in detail what the theme behind the Star Wars universe is. It is huge, and covers a vast expanse. A dragon is not just characterized in fantasy. How could you say that it is impossible that one a planet in the star wars universe that a species didn't evolve into some sort of dragon.


The whole Angel and Demon thing is something different entirely. Again I don't think there should be a species that has special powers as an angel, but I see no problem with a sentient species that has wings. I mean who cares. If you don't want one fine, but why stop someone else who does from having one. I mean robotic wings are being banned because it is to angel like. that is just stupid. Winged creatures don't necessarily have to be classified as angels. Angles don't have to have wings. Angels are just sentient beings that are given a heavenly power. That would count as a celestial being, given someone different powers, though I don't know how different from the force it would be.

Demons were just in the netherworld event. No I don't think demons really count as a playable PC. They have no one generic form, and would be in direct relation to a hell. I don't think they are really usable in any way.

 

[Nocturna]

[member="Sarge Potteiger"] which I've come to understand. If the site sees it as fine I don't see a whole lot of reason to try and fix what isn't broken :/ thanks for the input guys

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

The first two aren't sentient creatures, and Jedi and Sith both require extensive time and training to become powerful. They aren't born that way.

Anyway. I'll bite and dive right in to the rest of your idea.



This is way too farfetched.

1. How is it possible to genetically combine 4 completely different species? Lern2genetics, because that's not exactly how it works. The only way it would be remotely possible is through some sort of magic.

2. Do the Yuuzhan Vong even possess such magic? Where have they used it before?

3. Assuming they are even capable, why would the Vong create something like this? To what purpose?

4. How are you combining 4 non-sentient species and getting a sentient character out of it? Again, do the Vong even possess the ability to endow a creature with full sentience?


Just pick a normal race, dude.

If one can come up with a plausible, back up reason that their character/species came into being, I don't think it is right to stop them. Opinion is opinion. I don't think there is really any reason other than how you feel, to ban or except the dragon as a species, but I do think it is going far to say that a dragon wouldn't exist in the Star wars universe. Like I said before there are far stranger creatures. Some people don't want a normal class. That is like asking an artist to draw something normal. This site is meant to promote creativity, and though a dragon existed long before this, so did all the other species in star wars, so they aren't original, they were just already part of star wars. it is silly to limit ourselves on what we can and can't do in a rp that we completely control through our imagination. Literally anything is possible.