Tardy to the PARTY. (Dragon legality discussion)

[Ardeo Sophos]

[member="Sarge Potteiger"] which I've come to understand. If the site sees it as fine I don't see a whole lot of reason to try and fix what isn't broken :/ thanks for the input guys

We are part of the site though. maybe a lot of people don't want the dragon, but should those who do just have to shut up and deal with it? Yea that sure sounds fun.


Really does having a dragon negatively effect All of you who have said they don't want them? How would you know? It hasn't been done. You don't want to play as a dragon like species, but others do. Think about how you would feel were the roles reversed. If it was something you really wanted, but everyone was shooting you down.

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

We are part of the site though. maybe a lot of people don't want the dragon, but should those who do just have to shut up and deal with it? Yea that sure sounds fun.

I'm not saying shut up and deal with it. If I were, I would have already locked this thread and told you to stop discussing it.

But you're still free to give your opinion.

In this case, from the people who have already commented, its clear the opinion is for keeping the rule. Which means, in the end, you'll have to deal with it. You just aren't required to shut up.

 

[Cira]

Dathomir rancors are sapiant.

It's canon.

The rest off the planet are not.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

I'm not saying shut up and deal with it. If I were, I would have already locked this thread and told you to stop discussing it.

But you're still free to give your opinion.

In this case, from the people who have already commented, its clear the opinion is for keeping the rule. Which means, in the end, you'll have to deal with it. You just aren't required to shut up.

The only problem with this is that this discussion is not a good enough gauge. everyone on the site didn't comment, and for all we know there could be a bunch of people who want the rule hanged. If we want the rule to be reevaluated there should be a vote, site wide. I just don't see how the creation of a dragon like species is so unprobable in a world with such amazing creatures. I mean in star wars there are actually living creatures that can survive in space, where there is no oxygen. That is amazing, and a creature that is nothing more than a reptile similar to many other reptilian species in star wars, couldn't exist. One mutation of a gene along it's life time, and bam a winged lizard. I would even be willing to put fire breathing aside, but I don't think that is crazy either. I have the utmost respect for your opinion, and the opinion of my fellow members of this site. I think it would be worth it thought to perhaps have a trial run of sorts. Have an opportunity for a number of people to try out the dragon species. If rp judges like yourself feel it is not working or is having a negative impact, then the species will be terminated.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I mean robotic wings are being banned because it is to angel like. that is just stupid.

Robotic wings are not banned and never have been banned in the factory. The only pair of wing-like things I have seen in the factory are a pair of jetpacks, which were approved.

 

[Ellie Mors]

The only problem with this is that this discussion is not a good enough gauge. everyone on the site didn't comment, and for all we know there could be a bunch of people who want the rule hanged. If we want the rule to be reevaluated there should be a vote, site wide. I just don't see how the creation of a dragon like species is so unprobable in a world with such amazing creatures. I mean in star wars there are actually living creatures that can survive in space, where there is no oxygen. That is amazing, and a creature that is nothing more than a reptile similar to many other reptilian species in star wars, couldn't exist. One mutation of a gene along it's life time, and bam a winged lizard. I would even be willing to put fire breathing aside, but I don't think that is crazy either. I have the utmost respect for your opinion, and the opinion of my fellow members of this site. I think it would be worth it thought to perhaps have a trial run of sorts. Have an opportunity for a number of people to try out the dragon species. If rp judges like yourself feel it is not working or is having a negative impact, then the species will be terminated.

Before you and I joined this site dragons were allowed, and then they got over-used, and it turned into a high-fantasy like atmosphere. They were then banned for whatever reason (I wasn't here so I can't exactly explain).

 

[Tefka]

I said start a vote, [member="Break"], not a discussion. This thread, without a poll, will get you nowhere. I understand we're giving our opinions - but I've already heard it all before.

I think we all know the pros and cons for Dragons. I wanted a vote because I want to see which way the community is currently swaying. Only then can I pressure Staff into a new vote on it.

 

[Nocturna]

I was. And I have to tell you I saw 4 species of dragon - like species. And 1 actual dragon.
2 of the dragon like we're harmless. I've only seen 1 used well.

 

[Tefka]

Moved to Roleplay Discussion.

 

[Nocturna]

That was next [member="Tefka"] I just wanted a base opinion before I did. To see if it was even worth starting a poll but I can start one though I don't feel it will pass :/ please close the thread if you would?

 

[Natasi Fortan]

So basically even though they existed in canon, or at least something similar to a dragon. Since it isn't in your mind what you would picture having in star wars it should be banned? Many people have different views on some of those canon additions. What you are saying is pure opinion on what is already in the star wars universe.

An opinion. On a discussion forum. Groundbreaking.

A lot of stuff in canon (particularly the comic books, but not to the exclusion of novels) is just plain dumb, and if the site banned everything but G level canon, I would be fine with that, because it would still be a massive universe in which we all could fit.

 

[Lord Ajihad]

Ok guys, here's the thing. There ARE dragons in Star Wars. If we did have PC dragons, it would be. The mystique would be ruined. There are only a handful of dragons, but that would change. A horde of dragon-lovers would all create dragon alts. There goes the mystique of the entire species. Whole dragon factions would arise, ruining the uniqueness of dragons.

There would no doubt be godmodding galore. The RPJs would be working overtime to prevent dragons from overstepping their boundaries. As an assassin, I can't even kill anyone by stealth because I'll get reported for godmodding. If dragons can run about and breathe fire down people from the skies above, but I can't even stab a pub soldier from the shadows, we're going to have issues. (I'd appreciate an RPJ conformation of this statement, please)

Of course, dragons would have to be confined to a single planet, given the fact they are not equipped to survive in the vast vacuums of space. But PCs are going to want to go to other planets at some point, won't they. Then, someone will end up inventing a freaking dragon space suit. Now we have giant, scaly, flying, fire-breathing astronauts. Does anyone else see where this is headed?

 

[Lord Ajihad]

Link to the new poll/discussion thread. Have at it.

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

An opinion. On a discussion forum. Groundbreaking.

A lot of stuff in canon (particularly the comic books, but not to the exclusion of novels) is just plain dumb, and if the site banned everything but G level canon, I would be fine with that, because it would still be a massive universe in which we all could fit.

why ban canon though? If it's canon it is part of the Star Wars universe. As far as that goes we are the readers not the writers. Any one who rights a star wars book has to have permission right? They wouldn't get permission if it wasn't approved of. This is a rp site. The work will never be published, will never be made canon, so why bother putting so many restrictions on it. Why be so serious about it to the point of limiting other people so that they aren't having as much fun as the could other wise. Isn't that what this is about having fun by taking what exists in star wars and expanding and adding to it?

 

[Caulder Dune]

I mean robotic wings are being banned because it is to angel like. that is just stupid.

Robotic wings are not banned. They'll probably be denied if you try to submit them, because they're not practical in the least sense of the word. It has nothing to do with being associated with angels, it's just really stupid.

 

[Nocturna]

When I created mine I made it so their breath was limited. I made them slow. I made them unable to wield weapons. And I made it so they were animalistic, not a planning species. Basically a war beast something disposable. When I created mine I wanted it to be a watered down dragon. Something fierce but able to be handled by 1 or two people.

 

[Lord Ajihad]

[member="Ardeo Sophos"]

In Canon, it is a rare and unique species. If PCs can be dragons, then dragon-lovers will completely ruin that entire aspect of the species. Plus, I can practically smell the godmoding from here...

 

[Ardeo Sophos]

[member="Ardeo Sophos"]

In Canon, it is a rare and unique species. If PCs can be dragons, then dragon-lovers will completely ruin that entire aspect of the species. Plus, I can practically smell the godmoding from here...

yes but shouldn't it be given a chance? A trial run? What if you are wrong? You are so convinced it will be terrible, but how do we know unless we try? The god modding problem you have is because you can't outright kill people without permission from the other player. That is out of respect for the other person. I'm sure you would be irritated if someone just came up and killed you without so much as a warning. you would have to restart from scratch. That is why these rp's are hard, because no one wants to die, but if no one dies then it seems unrealistic. Like i said if dragons can be killed with metal swords, and bows and arrows, then I think lightsaber, and blaster pistols will work just fine.

 

[Sarge Potteiger]

The only problem with this is that this discussion is not a good enough gauge. everyone on the site didn't comment, and for all we know there could be a bunch of people who want the rule hanged.

We aren't counting votes that aren't cast.

If 75% of the people on the board think something should change, that's entirely different than 75% of them voting to tell us something should change.

Also, everyone on the site isn't going to comment. You're telling me we can only work off absolutes. That's not going to happen (also an absolute).

 

[Lord Ajihad]

yes but shouldn't it be given a chance?

Actually, according to [member="Silara Kuhn"] , it has been given a chance, and failed.