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The Reckoning OOC [Discussion of the Invasion on Empress Teta]
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[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] As i stated before, the Frigate is being edited out. It was a mistake from one member that is being edited.
As for the corvettes. No i was not aware of this alteration in the factory as i don't generally go there unless i must, even still the changes to the factory happened after the invasion began. If you take so much issue with them why did you not PM the writer using them and ask them to change ship when they initially came into the thread? Why did you not come to me or another Faction Admin? Why did you not report them when they refused to change the ship? There are systems in place where you can take up grievances with other writers.
I can only assume you didn't utilize these systems because in the end you decided the ships weren't that big of a deal. Which in all honesty they are not. These "corvettes" have the average firepower of a heavy fighter, calling them capital ships due to their size(when they half function as transports) is a bit silly.
As for the corvettes. No i was not aware of this alteration in the factory as i don't generally go there unless i must, even still the changes to the factory happened after the invasion began. If you take so much issue with them why did you not PM the writer using them and ask them to change ship when they initially came into the thread? Why did you not come to me or another Faction Admin? Why did you not report them when they refused to change the ship? There are systems in place where you can take up grievances with other writers.
I can only assume you didn't utilize these systems because in the end you decided the ships weren't that big of a deal. Which in all honesty they are not. These "corvettes" have the average firepower of a heavy fighter, calling them capital ships due to their size(when they half function as transports) is a bit silly.
Cira
Best Onion
Olivia Dem'adas said:
Oh Evard, I think Mierin covered that. Should be taken care of soon.
And well, yeah the furies are considered to be Heavy starfighters. At least that is what we were told they were classified as.
I'm a bit confused though, if you were concerned over the Fury and Evard's frigate, why did you wait until the thread is a month old to ask about this? Especially since Evard directly interacted and tagged you to engage on Sept 22nd with what he had?
Miscommunication is what ends up driving up barriers, catching things early and asking questions is what can lead to a good cooperative roleplay.
It can be really confusing when such things are brought up almost a month later.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
Up until now, they were not engaging me. Also, up until now, I had assumed that [member="Azrael"] was handing any and all grievances that came about as faction admin. Once he stated that he was not aware that Capital Ships were being used by the OS, it became my problem to deal with.Darth Mierin said:
So I'll make it simple. Unless you -really- want me to bring in my own capital ships, I suggest you limit yourselves to toys smaller than Corvettes.
Cira
Best Onion
Olivia Dem'adas said:
Olivia... Evard /Did/ engage you on Sept 22nd, with exactly what he had.
Even tagged you.
Arrbi Betna
Marauder
[member="Cira"]
We've been noticing a problem with the @mention system on occasion. Specifically with the Protectors, but it seems to happen to everyone on occasion. Notifications don't seem to always get through. Just my two bits. No idea if that happened here, but it's happened before.
We've been noticing a problem with the @mention system on occasion. Specifically with the Protectors, but it seems to happen to everyone on occasion. Notifications don't seem to always get through. Just my two bits. No idea if that happened here, but it's happened before.
Vilaz Munin
Aliit Alor
[member="Darth Akron"]
You cool, bro.
You cool, bro.
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] As Cira stated, Evard interacted with you and tagged you on the 22nd of September, nearly an entire month ago. You could have taken up issue then quite easily.
As for the corvettes. To my knowledge the only people utilizing them were Veles, who was shot down, Kirk, Who is still in the air, Sabrina, who has been using them from day one, and Evard, who is editing his post. No issue was taken up with any of them(That i heard of) about the ship that they were using until just now, and that is mostly about the Frigate i believe. There has been plenty of time to complain to them, me, or staff about them utilizing the the Fury's and X-70b's. I don't think we can make them suddenly switch ships after so much RP'ing, Evard however has not had many posts so he is okay to edit without effecting pages and pages of posts.
As for you bringing in capital ships. There is no fleeting in this invasion, only atmospheric battles with fighters and heavy fighters and such. The ships we've brought have not been taken issue with at all until we were 700+ posts in, with the biggest issue, the Frigate being edited out soon. If you bring in something that we think of as too much, we will bring up grievances with you and your Faction Admins. Simple as that.
As for the corvettes. To my knowledge the only people utilizing them were Veles, who was shot down, Kirk, Who is still in the air, Sabrina, who has been using them from day one, and Evard, who is editing his post. No issue was taken up with any of them(That i heard of) about the ship that they were using until just now, and that is mostly about the Frigate i believe. There has been plenty of time to complain to them, me, or staff about them utilizing the the Fury's and X-70b's. I don't think we can make them suddenly switch ships after so much RP'ing, Evard however has not had many posts so he is okay to edit without effecting pages and pages of posts.
As for you bringing in capital ships. There is no fleeting in this invasion, only atmospheric battles with fighters and heavy fighters and such. The ships we've brought have not been taken issue with at all until we were 700+ posts in, with the biggest issue, the Frigate being edited out soon. If you bring in something that we think of as too much, we will bring up grievances with you and your Faction Admins. Simple as that.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
And at the time I had no idea what his ship was, as he failed to provide a link or a classification for the ship he was using. He simply called it by name. I hadn't realized until now that it was a unique design. Also, he wasn't shooting at me in that post and I didn't notice his post of firing at me until you pointed it out. Like I said... the guy doesn't use the Location/Allies/Enemies template. When he shot at me the first time, I wasn't tagged and didn't see the post.Cira said:
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] Then it is a fail in communication on both sides. He failed to provide a link, but you could have asked him for it. Sometimes people forget, giving them a helpful nudge is required in order to keep things friendly and moving along.
B E A C O N
How about we resolve this civilly rather than resort to petty threats and such? Breaking the rules of the invasion is inexcusable and will be fixed, but that doesn't mean we should start mud-slinging and threatening with further rule breaking.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
It was discussed in Mando chat when they first came up. As they were not engaging me, it was not my place to speak out about it. Also, up until recently, I and others had believed that Azrael was aware of the situation and would negotiate over the matter if he felt it was inappropriate. Faith in the system. *shrug* Sometimes it just doesn't pan out.Darth Mierin said:
Regardless. It's my issue to deal with now, as it's me you're throwing Corvettes and Frigates at. [member="Arrbi Betna"] is more forgiving than I am. He chose to roll with it in good faith as there was only one (and then two) to deal with. He got sick of it once you continued to throw multiple capital ships at he and [member="Anija Ordo"]'s pair of starfighters.
While I'm aware that we are too far into the thread to edit out the offending issue, simply not continuing to use them would resolve the situation.
Darth Mierin said:
Also. My friendly nudge was posted yesterday.
Olivia Dem'adas said:
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
*arches eyebrow*Silara Vantai said:
where is the mud-slinging? I've seen valid arguments from both sides. We're... ok, so maybe we're being a little short with each other, but I've seen nothing uncivil about our discussion here. Also, the terms of engagement have changed multiple times since this invasion started. Even Mia still believed until yesterday night that the invasion was to be determined by battlefield formations and such as agreed upon initially. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, the terms of engagement were changed to 'PVP' at some point after the thread started.
You'd have to ask Az or someone that took place in the negotiations if you want further information that that. But the Mando writers haven't had a clue what the current terms are for several days now. At least that's what's trickled down to my ears.
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] Discussing it among yourselves doesn't help resolve the issue. If we don't hear from you, we can't help you. When you decided to roll with it, you made it okay to use these types of ships. As far as i know only two people engaged Arrbi and Anija with these types of ships. Kirk, and Veles.
As for your issues. As soon as you came to us with a grievance we made sure it was handled and taken care of within a day. The Frigate as said multiple times is being taken out. I'm not sure what your issue is anymore since we've stated several times now that edits are on the way.
EDIT:
"Yet, to the best of my knowledge, the terms of engagement were changed to 'PVP' at some point after the thread started."
Adressing this. No they did not change. No one can change terms of an invasion in the middle of the thread without consent from both sides. This was not and is not our intention. Our member gravitated towards PVP fights, however a big sum of us have been focused on directing armies the entire time [member="The Hydra Queen"], [member="Darth Arcis"], [member="Darth Vornskr"] and myself along with a few other members have been directing NPC troops this entire time and have been moving the Army VS Army battle along quite a bit, with each of us controlling separate elements of our armed forces. The impression that it turned to PVP was taken when a list was seen in the One Sith Backroom that had all the PVP fights and victories as well as losses. No mention of victory due to PVP wins was ever put into the list, it was simply a way to organize our members within the invasion and allow them to actually experience conflict with an opponent without them having to read 500+ posts. We have not ignored the Army aspect of this thread one bit.
The rules of the invasion are posted on page one of this thread, and they have not and will not change unless both leadership sides of the faction agree to it.
As for your issues. As soon as you came to us with a grievance we made sure it was handled and taken care of within a day. The Frigate as said multiple times is being taken out. I'm not sure what your issue is anymore since we've stated several times now that edits are on the way.
EDIT:
"Yet, to the best of my knowledge, the terms of engagement were changed to 'PVP' at some point after the thread started."
Adressing this. No they did not change. No one can change terms of an invasion in the middle of the thread without consent from both sides. This was not and is not our intention. Our member gravitated towards PVP fights, however a big sum of us have been focused on directing armies the entire time [member="The Hydra Queen"], [member="Darth Arcis"], [member="Darth Vornskr"] and myself along with a few other members have been directing NPC troops this entire time and have been moving the Army VS Army battle along quite a bit, with each of us controlling separate elements of our armed forces. The impression that it turned to PVP was taken when a list was seen in the One Sith Backroom that had all the PVP fights and victories as well as losses. No mention of victory due to PVP wins was ever put into the list, it was simply a way to organize our members within the invasion and allow them to actually experience conflict with an opponent without them having to read 500+ posts. We have not ignored the Army aspect of this thread one bit.
The rules of the invasion are posted on page one of this thread, and they have not and will not change unless both leadership sides of the faction agree to it.
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Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
Darth Mierin said:
*goes back to look at page one*
Good to know! From what I had heard, that PVP list has been getting argued over quite a bit. Many people were getting the impression that the PVP battle results were going to be used by one side or the other to try and dictate the results of this invasion.
Good to know that that's not the case! As this has been an amazing thread and a joy to participate in. Drama and OOC bickering aside, it's been pretty fun to see the Mandos roll out en-mass and to see an Invasion focus on the overall battlefield instead of just a few silly duels. =p
I'd still appreciate the 'Corvettes' not be used. Evard didn't specify what ships he was using, he simply stated 'Corvettes'. Which clearly means capital ships.Darth Mierin said:
As for the... what was it? Fury and whatever Kirk's ship is? [member="Darth Banshee"] is still using her Fury Corvette-thing to engage the tanks Olivia left outside of the City.
And is Kirk even posting still? I haven't seen a post from him in days.
[member="Olivia Dem'adas"] We never strayed from those rules Army VS Army, no allies, no fleeting, etc... We just like to be organized and enjoy PVP fights. Not all of our members enjoy NPC'ing, this is why we delegated the task to a small group of people who as i've said have been dealing with it this entire thread. Also our main arguments have not been based on PVP fights, but story resulting from said fights.
I don't want to make people take out things they've been using since day one. That seems unfair to me especially after so many posts and pages with no complaints to them or me. In good faith however i will ask any new members jumping in with ships and such to keep it under 50m as per the new factory guidelines on capital ships.
I don't want to make people take out things they've been using since day one. That seems unfair to me especially after so many posts and pages with no complaints to them or me. In good faith however i will ask any new members jumping in with ships and such to keep it under 50m as per the new factory guidelines on capital ships.
Olivia Dem'adas
Chief of Clan Dem'adas
[member="sabrina"], [member="Darth Mierin"],
Honestly, so long as the Corvette doesn't come after the tank's I brought into the city, I don't care what you do with it. I left 4 tanks to deal with Mantorok's walker(s) so that he and... the mando who's name I cant remember can focus on their 1v1 fight. From what I can see, the Fury is engaging that group of 4 tanks while Darth Banshee is somewhere else entirely and not in the Fury.
So... like I said. So long as the Fury isn't used offensively against me further, I don't care.
But I think you should really be asking [member="Azrael"] for permission to keep it in the thread if you plan to use it as anything other than a transport.
Honestly, so long as the Corvette doesn't come after the tank's I brought into the city, I don't care what you do with it. I left 4 tanks to deal with Mantorok's walker(s) so that he and... the mando who's name I cant remember can focus on their 1v1 fight. From what I can see, the Fury is engaging that group of 4 tanks while Darth Banshee is somewhere else entirely and not in the Fury.
So... like I said. So long as the Fury isn't used offensively against me further, I don't care.
But I think you should really be asking [member="Azrael"] for permission to keep it in the thread if you plan to use it as anything other than a transport.
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