The Situation (Hot War)

[Geneviève Lasedri]

As promised, the situation regarding your votes and the faction's direction with the cold war scheme will be revealed, at least in part.

Talks were brought up with OS staff about the Republic invading Balmorra, in which a formal invasion declaration was made on the 31st of August. This was to be a catalyst for the cold war. However, the OS staff never responded to one of our messages and things got a little hot in the Republic forums, as most everyone is aware. We held back on pushing the invasion and deliberated with the faction membership to work out how to enter cold war considering the IC climate and what made sense for the faction(s) overall.

Today, the OS announced that they intend to invade the Republic, signifying the end of cold war plans. They have blatantly ignored our invasion request and are attempting to override our own by saying we proved too uncooperative to honor a cold war scenario.

This is not acceptable with the Republic staff, and we are taking action to resolve this ASAP. I'm sorry for the way this has gone about. We were trying our best to honor your resolutions for entering cold war. The Republic members deserve better friends.

 

[Aithne Charr]

This seems to have gotten violent quite quickly. What happened that they dont want to do the cold war anymore?

 

[Daren Silvari]

Redacted, pending new information.

 

[Jerek Zenduu]

Did we not just spend two threads talking about this?

It just astounds me whenever we talk about members of the OS like they are these... foreign beings, nothing like you or I. We place them all into a neat little category labeled "Not to be trusted" and we behave accordingly and then we have the audacity to wonder why they might have some animosity toward us.

So, double-crossing, ignoring unignorable invasion requests, barging into our internal discussion threads, screwing us over? Clearly these are the actions of people to be trusted.

Apparently this is the faction to sit down, shut up, bend over and take it (did we mention you must provide your own barrel?).

 

[Aithne Charr]

Sounds like a much needed ass kicking

 

[Daren Silvari]

I have retracted my statement from above, pending further information on the subject.

 

[Cecily Demici]

I think that this way of conveying information is a very one-sided thing. For those of you that did not participate in the high-level discussions with the OS Admins, it might be advisable to not so quickly cast disparaging remarks.

As one of the people that worked with the OS Admins for three days to come to a solution, I can say they were anything but unreasonable.

This is the fault of all parties involved, not just the OS. Unfortunately, there was a lack of communication.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Did we not just spend two threads talking about this?



So, double-crossing, ignoring unignorable invasion requests, barging into our internal discussion threads, screwing us over? Clearly these are the actions of people to be trusted.

Apparently this is the faction to sit down, shut up, bend over and take it (did we mention you must provide your own barrel?).

You know, in order to earn respect you must first show it. Perhaps it's just the vocal members, such as the quoted comment above, which spurs them to decide against doing things the way the Republic wants it done.

Granted I was under the impression the OS were looking to do the whole Cold War thing based on their own discussions in their own faction forum.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I think that this way of conveying information is a very one-sided thing. For those of you that did not participate in the high-level discussions with the OS Admins, it might be advisable to not so quickly cast disparaging remarks.

As one of the people that worked with the OS Admins for three days to come to a solution, I can say they were anything but unreasonable.

This is the fault of all parties involved, not just the OS. Unfortunately, there was a lack of communication.

How interesting. Everything you've ever said on this topic is "one-sided" and yet you've never told us to disregard what you say -- obviously because you just know better than all of the little people. Why can't they understand that their grasp of the situation is entirely inadequate compared to yours? Don't these plebs know ANYTHING? Just give it a rest.

You have NEVER represented this faction to the OS. You've spent your entire time representing THEM to US. Stop it. We don't trust what you say about the OS because you are clearly extremely biased. You have been sitting on both sides of the table at these so-called negotiations and every time the matter comes up, you rush to tell the Republic that their feelings are wrong, that their experiences are false, that what they have seen and heard over months of dealing with a group of people couldn't possibly be true, because for the FIVE MINUTES you've known them they've been nothing but charming.

If you value this faction as much as you claim, you will sit out any further negotiations and let people who give the appearance of representing this faction's interests do the talking. We may not get a favorable result but even if we don't we won't have to wonder if it's because our "leaders" sold us out.

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[Ellie Mors]

As much as I find the mutual distrust between the two factions to be largely based on misunderstandings, and whatever the two faction's leadership might have discussed, I agree with the above post's general message.

 

[Cecily Demici]

You are, sadly, very misguided here, Aurelia. I represent much more than this Faction or that Faction. I work with members of SWRP every day who are OS, GR, Mando, Silver Sanctum, etc and I don't show any of them particular favor or bias because that is the job I am called to do.

There are members of the OS I find to fit the definition of unreasonable, but I also find members in the GR unreasonable. What you and your lot are trying to do is categorize an entire group of people, many of whom are active GR members, into this demonic subset of members of the site and quite frankly, I wont stand by and let you demonize people because of personal feelings.

If standing up for the humanity of others is to be condemned, let the Faction condemn me, but I will not be cowed into abandoning my morals and my integrity because you happen to be screaming the loudest.

[member="Aurelia Volcata"]

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Cecily de Demici"]
The thing here is, really, terms were presented, something was overlooked and/or ignored, and entirely the opposite of what was desired (presumably the opposite of the OS membership wants, judging by the poll held there, along with the discussion) has been pushed instead.

Are they horrible people that deserve being called "back stabbers"? No, not really.

Should we say it was a result of a misunderstanding? Probably.

As for ignoring the invasion request: That is not allowed. It is against site rules, misunderstanding or not. This faction can still push for an invasion and the OS cannot reject it, much as the Republic cannot reject their request. It is within every member's right to be frustrated at this, and the faction administration should be actively seeking RPJ council in regards to that.

 

[Marcus Itera]

Someone help me with my jimmies, they've been rustled.

 

[Cecily Demici]

Let me set the record straight, the way this announcement has worded things is not correct in its entirety. The OS did not deny an invasion request, they did not think it was the best solution to the OOC drama that has surfaced between the two factions.

I will make the full chat logs available ASAP. Many, including Aurelia, have already been given access to them in the Senator Chat. I'm sure that they will help clear up misunderstandings.

I would kindly ask that we take hearsay with a grain of salt, because it has done nothing, but cause anger and hurt feelings here.

[member="Braith"]

 

[Jerek Zenduu]

You know, in order to earn respect you must first show it. Perhaps it's just the vocal members, such as the quoted comment above, which spurs them to decide against doing things the way the Republic wants it done.

Granted I was under the impression the OS were looking to do the whole Cold War thing based on their own discussions in their own faction forum.

I don't think that's fair. I spent a good portion of Ali Hendrix' Invasion thread asking questions and trying to pry out a reasonable reputation of the OS by GR members. To which the thread was promptly shut down because a couple remarks hurt some feelings.

That started a pattern in this faction, a topic best addressed elsewhere, of shutting down discussions rather than utilizing them. But that basically leads to reinforcing those negative opinions rather than allowing a positive conclusion to be found.

So, now, faced with news that our faction wishes have been disregarded by the very faction staff we were continuously coaxed into playing ball with, what should we do? From what I've been reading in this thread, in those chat logs, is that the GR's wishes were basically answered with a single "no."

There could have been an easy resolution to this. Both factions wanted a Cold War, surely six mature adults could figure out a reasonable way to get there. I'm really failing to understand why neither faction leadership were able to come to a mutual understanding to ensure that all parties were pleased (or at least equally displeased).

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Jerek Zenduu"]
It is completely understandable that you are unhappy with the way the faction is moving, how the staff are performing, and so on, and it completely acceptable and understandable that you are unhappy with how the opposing faction is working with them.

However, the way you would address that is by making sure that you voice that concern in the same manner you just replied to me. I'm not saying you need to be overly polite and bend over backwards when someone wants to do something and doesn't agree with you, just make sure the way you word your responses do not come off as rude, for lack of a better word, as your previous comment did. I haven't read their chat logs yet - I really am not all that interested in doing so - but I can assure you that what happened wasn't simply because people said one thing and did another, it was obviously because the two groups were unwilling to decide on a mutual agreement or compromise as to what was to happen.

There was an idea voiced just a day ago in the OS discussion about what they planned to do internally which would be perfect (if done right) for a catalyst for a cold war. Being that I haven't read the chat logs, I'm not sure if it was voiced, but if it hasn't it is a pretty decent way to pander to both sides while getting exactly what we want.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

You are, sadly, very misguided here, Aurelia. I represent much more than this Faction or that Faction. I work with members of SWRP every day who are OS, GR, Mando, Silver Sanctum, etc and I don't show any of them particular favor or bias because that is the job I am called to do.

There are members of the OS I find to fit the definition of unreasonable, but I also find members in the GR unreasonable. What you and your lot are trying to do is categorize an entire group of people, many of whom are active GR members, into this demonic subset of members of the site and quite frankly, I wont stand by and let you demonize people because of personal feelings.

If standing up for the humanity of others is to be condemned, let the Faction condemn me, but I will not be cowed into abandoning my morals and my integrity because you happen to be screaming the loudest.

[member="Aurelia Volcata"]

Yes, yes. We are the world. I get it and in a perfect world we wouldn't need people to stand up for what's best for the faction as a group. But every other faction has their staff advocate for their faction's interests. The Republic deserves that as well. And since you have been increasingly filling the vacuum left by [member="Taeli Raaf"] (who as I understand it has been slammed with school work recently, for which I don't blame Taeli) you owe it to this faction to represent it. Not to represent yourself as a paragon of moderation and reasonableness while telling the GR to sit down and shut up, which is all you have done.

And since this is a night of honesty, [member="Cecily de Demici"], let's get it out in the open. This is about what's best for you first, and what's best for the board second, and what's best for this faction third (if that). There's nothing wrong with that, on its own, as long as it's openly declared. You stand to benefit from the Sith rising because they've given you a leadership position when you know, after your behavior among and towards the Senators here in the GR, that they would never choose you as Prime Minister. That's what this is about. That's what it's always been about. But as a moderator (and apparently spokesman) for this faction, it is your duty to represent our interests, which you admit that you have not been the slightest bit interested in doing. So the simple answer is, given your admitted policy on representing everyone and not our interests, you are done negotiating for us. You are done speaking for us. You are done making decisions for our faction where the One Sith are concerned. If you expect any of us to take your claims seriously of being a disinterested, neutral, well-intentioned third party, there is no alternative to this.

Also, while we're on the topic of being "called" to do something -- you weren't "called". You volunteered. You saw an opportunity and took it and have made no bones about your ambition. There's nothing wrong with that, except you have been using your non-staff position as a Codex judge as a bludgeon against anyone who would question your intentions. "Trust me. I know better. I'm staff." Let's not pretend you're doing some thankless task out of the goodness of your heart, you took it on because you have designs on 'higher office', so to speak, which (again) is nothing wrong. But call it what it is.

 

[Jerek Zenduu]

[member="Braith"]

Having read the logs, I doubt it was mentioned. They're basically centered around one single topic, PVP in an invasion.

Please bring up the idea, it can't be any worse than what's already been discussed.

 

[Onrai]

I'd like to read the logs.

Also, everyone quit with the political correctness. It does absolutely nothing to benefit the discussion.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Aurelia Volcata"] [member="Cecily de Demici"]

I want your playbys to make out, sooo bad right now:

"Shut up."

"No you shut up."

*rips into each others clothing with reckless abandon*

"You bad girl! You're so hot."

"How dare you! You're the hot one here!"

*cheeks flush, music begins playing, wrestling ensues, and we fade to awesome*