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The Status of Roleplay and the Factory System
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Seris Caine
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Debateable. I know of some thay I don't think should have been approved regardless of the work. They are quite ridiculous.Bianca OOC said:
Working for something doesn't justify it's existence. I can work for the power of the celestials, nevermind that celestials are banned for this example, but should I? No.Enoch Zambrano said:
B E A C O N
Find the submission, click the report button. I created a character belonging to a species nobody ever used, hadn't even abused it or gone into combat, and it was reported for edits - which resulted in my resubmission of a species I hadn't created in the first place.Barrien Siegfried said:
Enoch Zambrano
Little Boy Zambrano
If you're referring to lightsaber resistant materials, which are probably the most common items to give people an edge in combat; one is essential to Mandalorian culture, which this site has a bunch of, and the other two are intended entirely for the point so all the lovely NFUs we have don't get roflstomped.Barrien Siegfried said:
Keepin Corellia Weird
@Barrien Siegfried - The problems you mentioned are with writers. Not FJ. Not the Factory. Not Tech. Not Chaos itself. If you encounter submissions being used in ways that you are saying they are, that make the character into a 'God' the simple and more effective solution is to report the sub/writer for abuse, rather than wasting wind/words complaining about the Factory in this vein.
I can personally say, from experience with [member="Alric Kuhn"] , [member="Bianca OOC"] and others that the FJ's typically do consider such flaws in subs(and often blatantly point out the where/how to creators of the tech at times), and ultimately it is left to the maturity of our community to control and police itself. If you chose not to report abuse of a submission/tech piece, then you are in fact as much of a problem as the person utilizing it. I can also say, that with arguably one of my more line-crossing subs (that multiple people seem to think is OP) [member="Reverance"] found a very simple flaw no one had even thought of, which if exploited makes the tech next to useless except in PVE, and even then it's so-so.
I tend to welcome the challenge of encountering some sort of new/bizzare tech. It makes me think outside my comfort zone to develop tech to respond to it, or write in a way to overcome it. Rev's response to my shoulder-cannon in our duel is a PERFECT example of how to respond to questionable tech. He pointed out what I was doing in PM, outlined his response and why, and we hashed it out like adults. And that is how it should be handled, and if that fails and you're still not happy? Report it if it's that bad. I can't stress that enough.
In the end? It's the WRITERS that are the perpetrators of this 'God' complex, not tech itself. And you allow it to happen even when you apparently recognize it, you are just as much a part of the issue as well.
I can personally say, from experience with [member="Alric Kuhn"] , [member="Bianca OOC"] and others that the FJ's typically do consider such flaws in subs(and often blatantly point out the where/how to creators of the tech at times), and ultimately it is left to the maturity of our community to control and police itself. If you chose not to report abuse of a submission/tech piece, then you are in fact as much of a problem as the person utilizing it. I can also say, that with arguably one of my more line-crossing subs (that multiple people seem to think is OP) [member="Reverance"] found a very simple flaw no one had even thought of, which if exploited makes the tech next to useless except in PVE, and even then it's so-so.
I tend to welcome the challenge of encountering some sort of new/bizzare tech. It makes me think outside my comfort zone to develop tech to respond to it, or write in a way to overcome it. Rev's response to my shoulder-cannon in our duel is a PERFECT example of how to respond to questionable tech. He pointed out what I was doing in PM, outlined his response and why, and we hashed it out like adults. And that is how it should be handled, and if that fails and you're still not happy? Report it if it's that bad. I can't stress that enough.
In the end? It's the WRITERS that are the perpetrators of this 'God' complex, not tech itself. And you allow it to happen even when you apparently recognize it, you are just as much a part of the issue as well.
Seris Caine
Well-Known Member
I haven't allowed anything to happen. I'm speaking largely in hypotheticals. The object if this thread is a discussion of the reasons behind creating these exploitable tech pieces in the first place. They surely aren't needed. Many long standing boards never had tech creation like we did. You want to win a fight? Write like you deserve it.
But irregardless, if I see something abused I WILL report it.
But irregardless, if I see something abused I WILL report it.
S H A D O W
[member="Ijaat Akun"] I am sad you didn't mention me ;-;
As for this whole omg godlike tech, stuff gets checked and balanced. Some people see something and go OMG what is this. I do that a lot with Vong stuff. But there are weaknesses and if someone is misusing or something is really unfair and was missed by the factory team and the admin, it can be reported and reviewed again. The factory team and myself are human, I know we like to pretend [member="Bianca OOC"] is a robot, but we are human. So sometimes things are missed. Just report it and we will handle it.
The goal of the factory is to help provide toys and actual status to the cool things we can't have irl and want to play with on here. Fun is the goal of the factory and the goal overall in RP. If it wasn't I should be getting paid because then yeah. We wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun. [member="Barrien Siegfried"]
I think instead of poking at things we should focus on the RP and work towards everything being about the stories we want to share. Not about the tech or the ships.
As for this whole omg godlike tech, stuff gets checked and balanced. Some people see something and go OMG what is this. I do that a lot with Vong stuff. But there are weaknesses and if someone is misusing or something is really unfair and was missed by the factory team and the admin, it can be reported and reviewed again. The factory team and myself are human, I know we like to pretend [member="Bianca OOC"] is a robot, but we are human. So sometimes things are missed. Just report it and we will handle it.
The goal of the factory is to help provide toys and actual status to the cool things we can't have irl and want to play with on here. Fun is the goal of the factory and the goal overall in RP. If it wasn't I should be getting paid because then yeah. We wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun. [member="Barrien Siegfried"]
I think instead of poking at things we should focus on the RP and work towards everything being about the stories we want to share. Not about the tech or the ships.
Keepin Corellia Weird
[member="Spencer Jacobs"] - I pretty much just assume you will appear out of nowhere behind me and kill me with laser beams from your eyes if I misuse my toys. <3
Seraphina Shel'tah
Kinky Darth Pinky
To go back to the original point of the thread, I sub stuff most of the time because I end up getting lost on Google Images on my breaks at work, see something that looks pretty, and decide to make a sub out of it that could be used by either myself or faction, or someone else on the board. I decided to sub my AI months ago because of a seminar someone held at my work discussing it and the possibilities of it for the future, and I thought it was pretty awesome so I made my own sub for it.
Kyber Salurra
Scrapyard Savant
Enoch Zambrano said:
But in all seriousness, I see your concern and it can be an issue. However, we have great factory judges who make sure we never have 'gods' in our midst, and we also have a very nice lil' report button for submissions we may think have been overpowered, or approved unfairly, or with bias, etc.
Nyxie
【夢狐】
This.Bianca OOC said:
This is something that should never be done.
That sounds to be in really poor taste. The report button should be for serious issues, not personal, unofficial views of what is or isn't reasonable and all the included potential biases. That's the codex/factory judges' jobs, and failing that, a roleplay judge. A sub has to go through one -- sometimes two -- judges, then an admin, so to just go reporting one because is like saying two to three versed people totally failed their job. Food for thought.
That said, I have a watchlist of things I'd probably love to report upon seeing in action in-character. However, until they're an issue to myself or someone else, I see no reason to. Why ruin someone else's fun if it isn't even a problem? Some might say "don't wait for it to be a problem," to which I say, again, we have staff for that. So my advice to everyone: always save reporting something to a very last resort if all else fails, not just on a whim. Less trouble for the staff, less trouble for the creator.
Enoch Zambrano said:
What's more, a lot of those metals have drawbacks. Beskar is incredibly heavy. Cortosis is somewhat brittle. Ultrachrome is superconductive, especially to heat.
Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
Nice try...but we know that BIANCA MK VII is the very latest in Factory Judge bots.Spencer Jacobs said:
B E A C O N
I'm actually an xxxbot created for someone's express pleasure. But let's not get into the latest and greatest of human replica droids.Valiens Nantaris said:
Alric Kuhn
Handsome K'lor'slug
To me, the factory has never actually been checks and balances on powerful pieces of technology.
Sure, occasionally someone comes along and creates a piece of tech that is immensely powerful and strong, perhaps even gamebreaking, but I think 99% of the time thats not the intention behind the submission. It is, and always has been, my firm belief that most people submit things to the factory because
A. It's fun.
B. It's a nice accomplishment to get something cool accepted by the FJ's and the general community.
C. It's a great way of recording stuff.
I don't think anyone is really trying to be overpowered or game breaking, I don't think anyone really wants to be the dick that wins through the use of powerful technology. Most people just want to submit their cool idea, get other peoples thoughts on it, approved, and then utilize it in a few one off roleplays before its destroyed/decommissioned. I can pretty much guarantee that 60% of all tech subs either never got used or aren't used anymore. Even the most powerful things that have been crafted don't get used often, and even when they do it's pretty much been proven that everything has a weakness. The Immortals are a great example of this, having been used I think...three times and only one of those times it was actually effective.
Most people aren't trying to break the system with overpowered technology, they just want to have fun.
Sure, occasionally someone comes along and creates a piece of tech that is immensely powerful and strong, perhaps even gamebreaking, but I think 99% of the time thats not the intention behind the submission. It is, and always has been, my firm belief that most people submit things to the factory because
A. It's fun.
B. It's a nice accomplishment to get something cool accepted by the FJ's and the general community.
C. It's a great way of recording stuff.
I don't think anyone is really trying to be overpowered or game breaking, I don't think anyone really wants to be the dick that wins through the use of powerful technology. Most people just want to submit their cool idea, get other peoples thoughts on it, approved, and then utilize it in a few one off roleplays before its destroyed/decommissioned. I can pretty much guarantee that 60% of all tech subs either never got used or aren't used anymore. Even the most powerful things that have been crafted don't get used often, and even when they do it's pretty much been proven that everything has a weakness. The Immortals are a great example of this, having been used I think...three times and only one of those times it was actually effective.
Most people aren't trying to break the system with overpowered technology, they just want to have fun.
Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
I'm a cynical person who played too many RPGs and tabletop games as a kid.
Therefore I view all Codex submissions suspiciously as things which need to be balanced and nerfed where appropriate.
Therefore I view all Codex submissions suspiciously as things which need to be balanced and nerfed where appropriate.
Seraphina Shel'tah
Kinky Darth Pinky
[member="Valiens Nantaris"] - That's why you're a scruffy nerf herder. :wub:
Sarge Potteiger
Emotional Damage
Factory is optional.
Your liking of the factory and its submissions are optional.
Writing here is optional.
The problems we create here between ourselves are optional.
Enjoy the board. Enjoy the system. Don't worry, be happy.
Your liking of the factory and its submissions are optional.
Writing here is optional.
The problems we create here between ourselves are optional.
Enjoy the board. Enjoy the system. Don't worry, be happy.
Seris Caine
Well-Known Member
[member="Sarge Potteiger"]
If you're only response is that all of this is optional, it doesn't speak well of the community. Just pointing that out.
I'm fully aware it's all "optional," but at the end of the day, it's still part of the board.
I put optional in parentheses because we aren't allowed to ignore someones "optional" tech when engaging them, so while it's optional for someone to use the factory, the factory itself cannot be ignored.
If you're only response is that all of this is optional, it doesn't speak well of the community. Just pointing that out.
I'm fully aware it's all "optional," but at the end of the day, it's still part of the board.
I put optional in parentheses because we aren't allowed to ignore someones "optional" tech when engaging them, so while it's optional for someone to use the factory, the factory itself cannot be ignored.
Jak Sandrow
"Nobody cares for the woods anymore."
For me, simply put: My character sucks; he needs all the help he can get.
Seris Caine
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The most honest response ever, lol.Jak Sandrow said:
Not that I'm saying he sucks, but this was rather humorous.