TSE needs to attract/retain Force insensitives

[Soeht]

While being a Sith is great (dark side ftw), we are have an extreme lack of Grand Moff Tarkins, General Veers, and Grand Admiral Thrawns.

I feel that this is an issue with how I have the Sith Empire set up from an out-of-character point of view as such types of characters are usually popular to a certain degree (take SWTOR, for example).

I have several ideas. The biggest one I would like to ask you about would be a name change: from the Sith Empire to just the Empire.

Any other suggestions are welcomed, and I look forward to read what you guys have in mind.

 

[Xochilt]

I'm for this. Mainly, using TOR as a reference because.... well they managed to mix Force Users and Non-Force users well while still using the blanket of "The Empire"

I'd love to be more involved, but alas, only one character... and I need more Non Force users to bounce off with.

Perhaps now with the IR merging, have a good basis for sections such as the IIB and ISB?

 

[Daxton Bane]

Personally I am partial to us retaining the Sith Empire tag, if for no better reason than to emphasize we are Sith and proud of it.

 

[Lord Ghoul]

Perhaps a more magnanimous name than just Empire. If we do indeed merge with the Imperial Remnant this is a great idea. What about specific names. The Empire is a little too generic. There have been a ton of Empires. Ours needs to be unique, but not so it only attracts Sith, like you said. What about naming it by a geographical point of origin? (Like with Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, etc.) Horuset Empire would make sense, since Korriban is really one of the birthplaces of the Sith. Or the Dromund Empire.

In my opinion, we should be building a new legacy, not simply having yet another knockoff of some variation of Sith Empire (Sadow's, Nadd's, Kun's, Revan's). We should also get a new symbol. The six arrows of Chaos are cool, but over done. I suggest a complete remodeling.

Also, a restructuring of rank commands. The reason why we have so many Sith is that Sith are given free reign and basically rule the Empire. If we were to reign it in and have the Sith as a sort of government sanctioned cult, that would probably be better. It would also put an end to the half-hazard killing of our own assets that is so common among Sith. With the new direction Ashin wants to take the Empire it would make sense to have some kind of crime and punishment laws in place, where Sith have a smidgen of immunity to the law, but can be held accountable for serious offenses.

Sith are evil. But we can't expect every underling and trooper in the Empire to be evil as well. They have to have something to fight for besides "If you don't we'll kill you." They have to believe what they are doing is right. Because, believe it or not Sith, normal people have to think that they are working toward a noble goal. If you're like "We kill people for the lulz, including you, peasant." you are not going to get a whole lot of followers.

A restructuring of command, with a few members of the Sith in positions of power, but not the Order as a whole would work toward that goal. Of course, the Order would still be given preferential treatment. Duh.

 

[Arumi Zy]

I would say make the General and Admiral ranks be equivelant to a non-office/council member person in terms of responsibility and authority. Maybe not so high to order a master, but give them a chance to be great. Shift into a more military and traditional society maybe. Kind of like its an honor to serve the Empire with great rewards possible.

 

[Arumi Zy]

Mikhail has some good ideas as well.

 

[Valik]

I really like what Mikhail has suggested.

I'd like to request y'all post here

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/2876-request-allow-faction-advertising-in-ccwelcome-forums/#entry52059

I think this could help us a bunch too.

 

[Lord Ghoul]

Also, some ideas for new emblems I found online. Ultimately does not matter to me if there is much interest in changing the emblem, but I thought I would share... because they look cool. Alternatively, I always enjoyed the Sith Sun or the Sith Quad Sun.

 

[Ashin Varanin]

Whatever solution you folks prefer, I can make it work IC. A shift towards the lawful evil orderliness of the classic Empire would be in line with Ashin's policy preferences.

 

[Lord Ghoul]

Should we take a poll or something?
Also, because I was bored I did this:

 

[Arumi Zy]

Arumi would go with that, if you think about it sith worlds prosper and crime is punished heavily, the ideal that everty sith is out butchering their people has never been shown in the movies, games etc. They are brutal but they represent the far greatest aspects of Order.

The worlds that Arumi eventually takes as the councilor will be ruled in a fairer manner with laws that apply to other sith etc. The people have to be on yourside if you are going to truly conquer them.

Where as the jedi represent freedom and their version of justice, their is no real order in their worlds.

 

[Ashin Varanin]

Arumi would go with that, if you think about it sith worlds prosper and crime is punished heavily, the ideal that everty sith is out butchering their people has never been shown in the movies, games etc. They are brutal but they represent the far greatest aspects of Order.

The worlds that Arumi eventually takes as the councilor will be ruled in a fairer manner with laws that apply to other sith etc. The people have to be on yourside if you are going to truly conquer them.

Where as the jedi represent freedom and their version of justice, their is no real order in their worlds.

This is essentially Ashin's perspective, and she's keeping Moridin's law that Sith can't murder civilians. Hard to enforce across the board, considering all the Masters own sectors, but that's the principle of the thing.

 

[Arumi Zy]

Another societal thing we could do to distinguish ouirselves from past ones and get good with the people is say, all slaves belong to the state, hence harming or damaging one is tantemount to destroying sith property. Etc, Etc alot of ways for us to have our own identity. Go a roman route and say all those who serve becomes citizens etc.

 

[Ashin Varanin]

That is frankly brilliant. Slavery is rare in our empire, but we've all seen Sith who have their loyal/oppressed minions. Your suggestion would apply to that subset of people. I like it.

 

[Arumi Zy]

Make the Sith Empire seem like the better of two evil, yes you loose some rights and freedoms but you gain security, prosperity. Make citizenship seem like the ultimate reward, citizens can vote on things, citizens can hold government office/jobs, citizens pay lower taxes, citizens are exempt from conscription because they have already served, but a citizen who answers the call will always be in a higher ranking position.
Set up the ultimate socialistic/Communistic Dictatorship, make people yearn to be in it. Think kind of Star Ship troopers government mixed with old school roman.

What can i say im full of good ideas, ive been part of a lot of sith factions in my day and i can say this could be the best faction ever made on a board that has the potential to be the best the world has ever seen. Plus trying to be useful for once lol.

 

[Arumi Zy]

And another idea, once we get some neutral officers and commanders. say a neutral rep or two could serve as your advisors, giving them a station and authority general masters who hold no office have. Not enough to order them around but enough authority they can tell them to shove off if need be.

 

[Arumi Zy]

And one last and ill let you guys have a chance, Say the Sith Empire establishes a constiution that outlines exactly what the rights of a citizen is compared to a subject. Citizens say property rights, legally own and carry weapons , etc.

 

[Ashin Varanin]

This is fascinating stuff and well within the realm of possibility.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

I've always thought that our best approach should be ideological as well as forceful: we need to present ourselves as a Empire that has the good of it's subjects at mind, and exists to enforce law and order. Absolutely abolish slavery, extend the Sith belief in meritocracy to all areas of the Empire (which includes for non-FS members) and establish the rule of law, so there are less random killings and more reason. We can't be an 'Empire' if the only reason our citizens allow us to rule is because we'd sterilise their planets if they didn't accept our governance. We have to think more long-term, so in that much, I agree.

As far as the 'name' goes, I wouldn't go with a naming convention based on any central location, because that may well change in the future - if we captured Coruscant, for example, would we still base the Empire at Dromund Kaas, or on Korriban? Likely not. I'd go for something a little less 'Empire' and a bit more 'Imperial' - there's the Remnant, but why not 'Imperial New Order', or something along those lines? Makes all the impression of 'Empire' without saying 'we are going to subjugate your sorry little selves'.

 

[Ashin Varanin]

I like the direction this is going.