Discussion What Factions Would You Like to See?

[Kitter Bitters]

You could make a faction with the premise that only NFU join. It doesn't have to be anti Force, just a group of people who want to tell NFU stories.

 

[Delila Castillon]

People say that there is no interest in NFU's, so they ignore them and don't think of them for stories. But I'm always interested! It would be neat if there was some planet or sector where those connected to the Force were somehow unable to enter.

Hmm... Maybe we do a Codex entry for a club or something similar? With enough seating for all 10 of us

 

[Kitter Bitters]

Hmm... Maybe we do a Codex entry for a club or something similar? With enough seating for all 10 of us

If you could come up with that technology I bet so many cantinas would pay big for it. How many times do Jedi come in and ruin the vibe in the movies shows etc? lol

 

[Liin Terallo]

Hmm... Maybe we do a Codex entry for a club or something similar? With enough seating for all 10 of us

I am not too familiar with codex subs yet, but I imagine that it could be easily done.

 

[Abishai Jade]

I tried nonFU with the Unblessed/New Way. Mostly found people struggling to maintain muse for a character archetype that primarily leans on bigot as a descriptor.

 

[Kitter Bitters]

Abishai Jade I love your new avatar!!

I think the problem with anti force groups is that they essentially still revolve around Force users. If you want a non force group make it completely separate from the force users.

That’s difficult though because most people’s main characters are force users.

 

[Liin Terallo]

That’s difficult though because most people’s main characters are force users.

Yes most people, but not all! I dare to defy the norm and slipp under the radar, ha ha!

 

[Kitter Bitters]

Yes most people, but not all! I dare to defy the norm and slipp under the radar, ha ha!

I think there are enough people that write NFU that there could be a faction

 

[Coren Starchaser]

As someone who has all but one character as an NFU, we just don't think about Forcers that often to actually be bothered to make it our entire identity.

Now some terroristic attacks against Force users would be awesome. Blow up a Temple or five...I'd be down to do that without a faction.

A faction that uses the right weapons, scatter rifles of buck shot, proximity mines, disruptors, and can be fanatical that a Force user lost along with a building full of civilians is worth the galaxy’s safety?

Just for an idea.

 

[Liin Terallo]

I think there are enough people that write NFU that there could be a faction

Writing maybe, but how many of those have Force Users are their main characters? A lot of people are willing to drop commitments when their mains are their mains for a reason.

 

[Aris Noble]

Factions often suffer from alt syndrome. They don't last if people aren't going to keep writing, and wen everyone is throwing alts at a faction rather than making it their main, they don't last.

 

[Sycorax Laveaux]

I tried nonFU with the Unblessed/New Way. Mostly found people struggling to maintain muse for a character archetype that primarily leans on bigot as a descriptor.

Had a similar situation happen with an anti-FU faction a friend and I started. Tons of people showed up to our first thread, but once we posted an actual mission where we were attacking the "good guys", almost nobody showed up. Then one of the few remaining writers decided to have their character kill a child NPC in a gruesome manner. An admin was uncomfortable with it and left. The faction collapsed at that point.

IMO the Jedi would have to take notes from the Ryv Karis Era and do some actually heinous things (i.e. multiple Jedi PCs committing war crimes and claiming it was for the greater good) for there to be a successful faction whose whole schtick is being against them. That way the anti-FUs' anger and resentment would have some compelling justification and they wouldn't just be bigoted. I don't see the current NJO agreeing to do that, though. You could make a Jedi character specifically to be a self-righteous bastard/antagonist for your minor faction, but it likely won't go over well if you try to attach that character to the NJO faction. Also writing your own antagonist in RP can get... awkward.

Anti-FU stuff has always held appeal to me, it's just proven very difficult to implement for one reason or another. The biggest enemy to it as a concept seems to be the court of public opinion. The Jedi are understood to be the heroes, and any attempt at making them look morally questionable will be viewed with the same outrage The Acolyte's cringey depiction of them garnered. You're more likely to get a Jedi Civil War than an anti-Jedi faction up and running. And if you go the opposite way and make an NFU faction that's against the bad guys, you might as well join the GA.

 

[Aris Noble]

I think the biggest folly of anti FU things is the idea that you need the Jedi to be the bad guys. They don't have to be. Chaos's history alone has had countless wars run by the Jedi and the Sith's holy wars unending. Coruscant has been taken from and by Sith and Jedi in their endless war. Terrorist anti FUs, rage against the Force our evil is justified, that doesn't need to be the story.

The better story would be people are tired of being caught up in this holy war and decide that they don't need the Jedi to protect them because it's the Jedi the Sith want to kill. So they unite, done with the Jedi and the Sith and all of this mystical bs to put a leash on it all and stop the cycle completely.

 

[Abishai Jade]

I think the biggest folly of anti FU things is the idea that you need the Jedi to be the bad guys. They don't have to be. Chaos's history alone has had countless wars run by the Jedi and the Sith's holy wars unending. Coruscant has been taken from and by Sith and Jedi in their endless war. Terrorist anti FUs, rage against the Force our evil is justified, that doesn't need to be the story.

The better story would be people are tired of being caught up in this holy war and decide that they don't need the Jedi to protect them because it's the Jedi the Sith want to kill. So they unite, done with the Jedi and the Sith and all of this mystical bs to put a leash on it all and stop the cycle completely.

Was doing both.

 

[Aris Noble]

Was doing both.

The New Way/Unblessed was a terrorist organization blowing up Naboo. The Open Hand was another terrorist organization raiding Jedi Temples and killing children.

I want to see an Anti-FU group that's not reduced to being terrorists but a genuine organization of people done with the bs of the last ten OOC years of war between the Sith and Jedi. It's a fantastic plot point brought by countless stories written by the people on this site, and I personally would love to see it made.

Problem is if I feel up to spear heading it myself or not.

 

[Valery Noble]

I tried nonFU with the Unblessed/New Way. Mostly found people struggling to maintain muse for a character archetype that primarily leans on bigot as a descriptor.

Is that really the main reason? People love writing Sith and they can be insanely bigoted as well, in addition to all the other clearly evil themes that involve writing one. Even Mandalorians, especially the Crusader variant, have some pretty evil characteristics that can turn people off in the same way.

I feel like a way bigger reason for ideas falling apart is the commitment of people. It's pretty common to see a brief hype train where there's a ton of initial excitement for something new, only for it to fizzle out and have people return to what's comfortable with their established characters. Even if an idea is fun and interesting, it does take time and work to develop. I've often stopped myself from making characters purely because I didn't feel like investing a lot of time, even if I enjoyed the concept in my head.

Lastly, Chaos is also smaller than it was in the past, and that probably means that things condense. Instead of everybody spreading thin, some prefer to be where they can more easily get a lot of RP.

The above is all speculation, of course, but I'm personally pretty convinced about the commitment issues.

 

[Liin Terallo]

Having an NFU faction doesn't mean that it has to be anti-FU (like criminal, judicial, etc). And an anti-FU faction doesn't have to be anti-Jedi. There are plenty of Sith and grey area FU's that have done a lot of bad things. I myself have a lot of trouble getting opposition for any story and have to write them myself, so I'm sure that a lot of the Sith aren't really that bad or are they just all busy and have no time for any story outside of their faction schedule? I don't have an answer.

But yes, commitment is a huge one. It needs to fit their mains or there's little hope there. And there just aren't a lot of people like myself with NFU's for their mains.

 

[Aris Noble]

Outside Mandalorians, anyway. Mandos are def the big NFU factions over the years of Chaos. Can't not mention them now that I think about it and see Yuri Maji to remind me.

 

[Abishai Jade]

The New Way/Unblessed was a terrorist organization blowing up Naboo. The Open Hand was another terrorist organization raiding Jedi Temples and killing children.

I want to see an Anti-FU group that's not reduced to being terrorists but a genuine organization of people done with the bs of the last ten OOC years of war between the Sith and Jedi. It's a fantastic plot point brought by countless stories written by the people on this site, and I personally would love to see it made.

Problem is if I feel up to spear heading it myself or not.

The only reason for the Jedi being the focus is that is where all my RP contacts were playing. The Sith were on the list for a focus when I burned out trying to get it going. The story had developed from terrorist activities to much more than that. Even having warriors equipped to fight on level playing fields with Jedi or Sith Knights.

Is that really the main reason? People love writing Sith and they can be insanely bigoted as well, in addition to all the other clearly evil themes that involve writing one. Even Mandalorians, especially the Crusader variant, have some pretty evil characteristics that can turn people off in the same way.

I feel like a way bigger reason for ideas falling apart is the commitment of people. It's pretty common to see a brief hype train where there's a ton of initial excitement for something new, only for it to fizzle out and have people return to what's comfortable with their established characters. Even if an idea is fun and interesting, it does take time and work to develop. I've often stopped myself from making characters purely because I didn't feel like investing a lot of time, even if I enjoyed the concept in my head.

Lastly, Chaos is also smaller than it was in the past, and that probably means that things condense. Instead of everybody spreading thin, some prefer to be where they can more easily get a lot of RP.

The above is all speculation, of course, but I'm personally pretty convinced about the commitment issues.

Theory. SW is primarily, a fairly back and white, good vs bad sort of story space. I know this has been developed over the years. But when SW was at its most unified and popular it was BAD vs GOOD. Which meant SITH vs JEDI in SW shorthand. So there is a lot less cognitive load to roll up another Sith or Jedi character.

You know what you are working with. You know who is 'good' and who is 'bad'. As there is no Anti Force faction prominent in the most popular aspects of SW, it does not come with preloaded attitudes, outlooks, world views and such for us to easily slip into and write a quick post late on a Friday night. Keeping the story consistent, and your anti-Force character consistent, is a lot more work.

 

[Kitter Bitters]

Did anybody take a look at the current rendition of the anti force faction?