Kenrath
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Ummmmmmmmmm ok sure I stand corrected. I guess.Darth Ferox said:
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Who is the Dark Lord of the Sith?
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Darth Ferus
Wanderer
[member="Vengeance"]
Hahaha, sorry. Today's another long day of work and I dont even remember what i was talking about. I suggest ignoring me.
Hahaha, sorry. Today's another long day of work and I dont even remember what i was talking about. I suggest ignoring me.
Conceited
I don't know, [member="Darth Veles"]. Me and you seem to be on the same page. Of course, one day both of us will fight one another over who becomes the true Sith Master- we're definitely do not have the normal Rule of Two dichotomy to contend with- but we're definitely united under one goal. I think the problem that these people have when it comes to who is the Dark Lord of the Sith is contended on who has the most followers, which is the antithesis of what it means to be the Dark Lord of the Sith.
A Sith Lord who has claimed that mantle is not only led to believe that they were anointed by the dark side into believing such a claim, but also truly took it from someone they believed to be worthy. We saw this when Exar Kun seized the mantle away from Naga Sadow after completing his training. It was only later, after Exar had become the Dark Lord of the Sith, that he begun to raise followers and build an Empire. A mistake on his part, in my opinion, but I am a heretic.
In terms of the Chaos canon, the closest we've ever had to a true Dark Lord of the Sith were [member="Daella"] Apparine or [member="Darth Mephirium"]. Each took on and killed the DL of the One Sith. Only insane amounts of Godmerru and OOC political bullshit stopped them from taking power. People didn't want a PC Dark Lord of the Sith (I have no idea why) and so it cost them. Kaine was defeated and lost his Sith Empire against the invading hoards of Mandalorians and Jedi Knights. At that moment he lost his claim to being the DL.
I know that I carry and roleplay my character as the Dark Lord of the Sith. Laughable to many, but I digress to my philosophy: I killed my Sith Master, who killed her Sith Master. I have been transformed by the dark side, and so the title belongs to me until I am killed by someone stronger. And if I die? Then I deserved it. #DarthBane
A Sith Lord who has claimed that mantle is not only led to believe that they were anointed by the dark side into believing such a claim, but also truly took it from someone they believed to be worthy. We saw this when Exar Kun seized the mantle away from Naga Sadow after completing his training. It was only later, after Exar had become the Dark Lord of the Sith, that he begun to raise followers and build an Empire. A mistake on his part, in my opinion, but I am a heretic.
In terms of the Chaos canon, the closest we've ever had to a true Dark Lord of the Sith were [member="Daella"] Apparine or [member="Darth Mephirium"]. Each took on and killed the DL of the One Sith. Only insane amounts of Godmerru and OOC political bullshit stopped them from taking power. People didn't want a PC Dark Lord of the Sith (I have no idea why) and so it cost them. Kaine was defeated and lost his Sith Empire against the invading hoards of Mandalorians and Jedi Knights. At that moment he lost his claim to being the DL.
I know that I carry and roleplay my character as the Dark Lord of the Sith. Laughable to many, but I digress to my philosophy: I killed my Sith Master, who killed her Sith Master. I have been transformed by the dark side, and so the title belongs to me until I am killed by someone stronger. And if I die? Then I deserved it. #DarthBane
Eternal Father
But never by a contending Sith Lord.Avedia Lacroix said:
As far as the thread leads back to the last legitimate PC Dark Lord of the Sith (Myself) I still have the most legitimate claim to the title.
Conceited
[member="Darth Carnifex"]
You'll always have the stigma of that defeat.
You'll always have the stigma of that defeat.
Eternal Father
Gotta know the taste of sovereignty before you can taste the bitterness of defeat.
One day you'll learn.
[member="Avedia Lacroix"]
One day you'll learn.
[member="Avedia Lacroix"]
B E A C O N
I did not God mod pushing Daella out of a window, I pushed, she fell.
The entire purpose of the Throne Room thread was to kill her and the Dark Lord.
And if killing people makes you Jen'ari, I killed my master and would have killed Mephirium if not for his decision to exit the thread, and forum, via becoming one with the force.
The entire purpose of the Throne Room thread was to kill her and the Dark Lord.
And if killing people makes you Jen'ari, I killed my master and would have killed Mephirium if not for his decision to exit the thread, and forum, via becoming one with the force.
Ashin Varanin
Professional Enabler
I'd be extremely interested in seeing the four or five most vocal claimants fight a free for all. Or heck, a tournament. That would please me.
Aspiring Jedi
Killing the Dark Lord doesn't make you the Dark Lord, it makes you a traitor. The Sith unify under the Dark Lord because they represent what is best for the Sith, and it is they who direct everyone in the hierarchy: they are the one that must possess the vision of what it is to lead. Strength alone is no virtue to a leader: they must possess wisdom, judgment, poise and insight in addition to strength. Simply being able to murder the guy above you does not make you Dark Lord. It simply makes you a being who puts themselves above that of the Sith as a whole: taking out the leader because you're arrogant enough to believe you can do better.
The exception stands when the Dark Lord/Emperor is either insane, corrupted, or incapable of carrying out their duty to the Sith. Then all Sith must challenge and remove them, if they're able to, to bring stability and order back to the Sith. The rule for the hierarchy is that which we will impose on the entire Galaxy: order comes first. If the DLotS maintains this, they should hold their post, and every Sith alive should back them in this. But a weak Dark Lord (and weak in every respect, not merely in terms of their Force/Physical strength) should be deposed, to ensure that the Sith as a whole remain strong.
This absurd notion that we must all climb the pyramid by assassinating our superiors only makes for a weak Sith: one's own ascension to power may be assured because your main obstacle is out of your way, but the strength of the Sith as a whole is diminished. If I'd killed my Master, or if my apprentices killed me, we'd lose powerful Sith for...what? Your own ego?
That's ridiculous, and I'll oppose any who think that's the way to go.
The exception stands when the Dark Lord/Emperor is either insane, corrupted, or incapable of carrying out their duty to the Sith. Then all Sith must challenge and remove them, if they're able to, to bring stability and order back to the Sith. The rule for the hierarchy is that which we will impose on the entire Galaxy: order comes first. If the DLotS maintains this, they should hold their post, and every Sith alive should back them in this. But a weak Dark Lord (and weak in every respect, not merely in terms of their Force/Physical strength) should be deposed, to ensure that the Sith as a whole remain strong.
This absurd notion that we must all climb the pyramid by assassinating our superiors only makes for a weak Sith: one's own ascension to power may be assured because your main obstacle is out of your way, but the strength of the Sith as a whole is diminished. If I'd killed my Master, or if my apprentices killed me, we'd lose powerful Sith for...what? Your own ego?
That's ridiculous, and I'll oppose any who think that's the way to go.
Darth Abyss
Eldritch
Honestly it depends on the situation. Striking down a current dark lord who is bringing the order to new glory is shortsighted even if you believe that you should be the dark lord, simply because you do more work than you have to while simultaneously endangering what should be ours. Wait until the situation is somewhat stable in the galaxy and then challenge the current dark lord to a challenge. If you win the others will recognize that you had both the farsightedness and the strength to take the title for yourself
But if, and that is a big if, should a dlots fail time and time again, then it's basically the duty of anyone of strength to take down the one bringing a downfall, simply for the sake of survival and damage control.
death is an important element of sith culture and philosophy. It's the ultimate defeat. A mistake can never go unpunished in the ranks of the sith, and should a mistake be grave enough, death is the only acceptable punishment. That counts for apprentices and empires alike.
That is if you believe in something like empires etc, instead of doing independent stuff lol.
[member="Tirdarius"]
But if, and that is a big if, should a dlots fail time and time again, then it's basically the duty of anyone of strength to take down the one bringing a downfall, simply for the sake of survival and damage control.
death is an important element of sith culture and philosophy. It's the ultimate defeat. A mistake can never go unpunished in the ranks of the sith, and should a mistake be grave enough, death is the only acceptable punishment. That counts for apprentices and empires alike.
That is if you believe in something like empires etc, instead of doing independent stuff lol.
[member="Tirdarius"]
Jairus Starvald
Eidoloclast
Clearly [member="Matsu Xiangu"] is the one and only Dark Lord of the Sith.
Laira Darkhold
Well-Known Member
#DarkLadyoftheSithOrgana
That is all.
That is all.
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*Leaves forum*
*Get linked this thread.*
*Log in, laugh.*
DLOTS doesn't work on Chaos because everyone and their mother thinks they are the best Sith writer, and fuck anyone that disagrees. Doesn't matter if you do everything legitimately to claim the title. Unless you pander to folks OOC and write smut with the right people you will never unanimously hold the title. Meph killed 3 Sith Lords in fair fights to gain the title, an NPC DL, and had 4 Lords of the Sith sacrifice themselves in his service. Even still, in the weeks before I left, my writing was being shat upon by influential people whom I had never spoken to a day in my life because I 'did not write a real Sith', whatever the fuck that means.
The Dark Lord title is irrelevant. If you want it, go be as edgy as you possibly can and remove any consequence from your writing. Get a few friends behind you and shit talk anyone else that you might think is a rival. It's better to destroy their reputation OOC rather than work together on crafting a story, as is the usual Chaos' prerogative. Or just dogpile an open thread that makes absolutely no sense for you to be present and go 'hah, just as planned.'
I don't know why I felt the need to post to this. I would normally stop myself before I burned some bridges, but for once, I feel justified in my rants. My entire tenure as 'self-proclaimed' Dark Lord sucked, and every time I tried to work with the other big Sith writers, they would extend an open hand whilst trying to sabotage my reputation and destroy my friendships at the same time. I was as nice and courteous as humanly possible, and when folks wanted to fight me for the title, I accepted every contest. I tried to reach out to whomever I possibly could and learn from my mistakes, even the ones I felt were the right decision, so that no one felt they were being trodden over for the sake of my story, or that of my friends.
My off-topic tangents aside, I would argue that no one has the claim. If you want it, start spilling blood. Don't make in-character sacrifices though, people don't give a shit about that. Don't make the mistake I made and try to be friendly. Be an nerf herder. Fuck folks over. Ruin their experience to heighten that of yourself and your friends. Don't be mature about issues, throw tantrums, and make sure you tell everyone that does not agree with you that they're simply ignorant on the subject at hand.
Also, prepare for every little action you make both IC and OOC to be picked apart. IC is fine, sure, but when they realize that attacking your character's decisions does not work, they will attack you. Not to your face, of course, well, unless all their friends are around. Then they'll go nuts, and unless you get on your knees and beg they will hear no compromise. The writing community on Chaos is especially volatile, but the Sith have been the worst contenders since the days when the OS bullied their way to fifteen invasion victories.
Go be Dark Lord. Maybe ally with the established Sith so you aren't beholden to their shit attitudes. Doesn't matter, you're gonna have a bad time either way unless you're the aggressor on an OOC level. Better yet, wait until your rivals leave the forum due to your shenanigans so you don't have to fight them, then claim the title. It's a legitimate strategy.
Goodbye for the foreseeable future, and I wish whomever tries for the position a much better time than I had, but remember kids...
*Get linked this thread.*
*Log in, laugh.*
DLOTS doesn't work on Chaos because everyone and their mother thinks they are the best Sith writer, and fuck anyone that disagrees. Doesn't matter if you do everything legitimately to claim the title. Unless you pander to folks OOC and write smut with the right people you will never unanimously hold the title. Meph killed 3 Sith Lords in fair fights to gain the title, an NPC DL, and had 4 Lords of the Sith sacrifice themselves in his service. Even still, in the weeks before I left, my writing was being shat upon by influential people whom I had never spoken to a day in my life because I 'did not write a real Sith', whatever the fuck that means.
The Dark Lord title is irrelevant. If you want it, go be as edgy as you possibly can and remove any consequence from your writing. Get a few friends behind you and shit talk anyone else that you might think is a rival. It's better to destroy their reputation OOC rather than work together on crafting a story, as is the usual Chaos' prerogative. Or just dogpile an open thread that makes absolutely no sense for you to be present and go 'hah, just as planned.'
I don't know why I felt the need to post to this. I would normally stop myself before I burned some bridges, but for once, I feel justified in my rants. My entire tenure as 'self-proclaimed' Dark Lord sucked, and every time I tried to work with the other big Sith writers, they would extend an open hand whilst trying to sabotage my reputation and destroy my friendships at the same time. I was as nice and courteous as humanly possible, and when folks wanted to fight me for the title, I accepted every contest. I tried to reach out to whomever I possibly could and learn from my mistakes, even the ones I felt were the right decision, so that no one felt they were being trodden over for the sake of my story, or that of my friends.
I probably would have let you kill him, because I was hoping for an emotional pay-off. I would not say it was a certainty that you would have won, though that's rather irrelevant now. The OOC shenanigans, as per the usual, are the reason I chose to exit.Darth Vitium said:
My off-topic tangents aside, I would argue that no one has the claim. If you want it, start spilling blood. Don't make in-character sacrifices though, people don't give a shit about that. Don't make the mistake I made and try to be friendly. Be an nerf herder. Fuck folks over. Ruin their experience to heighten that of yourself and your friends. Don't be mature about issues, throw tantrums, and make sure you tell everyone that does not agree with you that they're simply ignorant on the subject at hand.
Also, prepare for every little action you make both IC and OOC to be picked apart. IC is fine, sure, but when they realize that attacking your character's decisions does not work, they will attack you. Not to your face, of course, well, unless all their friends are around. Then they'll go nuts, and unless you get on your knees and beg they will hear no compromise. The writing community on Chaos is especially volatile, but the Sith have been the worst contenders since the days when the OS bullied their way to fifteen invasion victories.
Go be Dark Lord. Maybe ally with the established Sith so you aren't beholden to their shit attitudes. Doesn't matter, you're gonna have a bad time either way unless you're the aggressor on an OOC level. Better yet, wait until your rivals leave the forum due to your shenanigans so you don't have to fight them, then claim the title. It's a legitimate strategy.
Goodbye for the foreseeable future, and I wish whomever tries for the position a much better time than I had, but remember kids...
Aspiring Jedi
This board needs a downvote button.
Eternal Father
Nice victim rant.
I r8 8/8
I r8 8/8
Ashin Varanin
Professional Enabler
Oh THAT's what I've been doing wrong. Quick, [member="Raziel"], I desire power. Do me.Darth Mephirium said:
In the Darkness there is Truth
* goes to write Space Elf smut to usurp power by ingratiating herself *
[member="Valiens Nantaris"], I'm in your clique and I write the IC wife of one of your alts. Give me some favouritism and make me Dark Lord/Lady/Empress!
The salt must flow.
[member="Valiens Nantaris"], I'm in your clique and I write the IC wife of one of your alts. Give me some favouritism and make me Dark Lord/Lady/Empress!
The salt must flow.
Nima Tann
Master of Her Own Destiny
Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
Irony?
If you have a problem with how others are behaving, and talking to them hasn't worked, then report them and it will be looked into. I can never guarantee that you will get the response you want, but it will be looked into as objectively as possible.
As for Dark Lords, the thing about Sith both here and in canon is that they are volatile. If people are not bowing to your character then I hardly feel that is something to complain about. All the Sith on this board have never bowed to anyone. That's why there were 7 emperors, numerous DLOTS and always a large number of rogues. The closest it came was with the One Sith's NPC.
I think this thread is in danger of derailing off even further, so let's bring it back on topic, please.
Conceited
LOL [member="Darth Mephirium"]
