Woo! Omega Prizes!

[Jairus Starvald]

Personally, I feel like a hundred-post flagship would be better than a resource planet, but that's just one dude's opinion.

 

[Zef Halo]

I am personally in favor of the 100 post flagship rather than the no dev thread for a planet. Why ?

• Plenty of neutral planets with restricted mats on them that you could do private threads on and not be bothered. Plenty of the neutral planets will remain neutral.
  
• A planet with resource for restricted material submission of up to a minor (which is the maximum production for restricted material subs) needs 50 posts of development.
  
• Flagships need 200 (iirc) and we get 100 off. 50 posts are easier to do than 200, imo. Especially with the posting sprees we've been having lately.

These are the first things that come to my mind but I believe there might be a few more.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I am personally in favor of the 100 post flagship rather than the no dev thread for a planet. Why ?

• Plenty of neutral planets with restricted mats on them that you could do private threads on and not be bothered. Plenty of the neutral planets will remain neutral.
  
• A planet with resource for restricted material submission of up to a minor (which is the maximum production for restricted material subs) needs 50 posts of development.
  
• Flagships need 200 (iirc) and we get 100 off. 50 posts are easier to do than 200, imo. Especially with the posting sprees we've been having lately.

These are the first things that come to my mind but I believe there might be a few more.

1. The whole point of the Gold Reward is, we don't need to do the dev thread, so I'm not sure what you mean by bullet point 2. We're still waiting for confirmation on what size the deposits of the material will be, but if it's not 'large' then I would consider switching, and just doing a dev thread.
2. Flagships need 400 posts. A coupon to take 75% off would result in 100 posts. 50% off is 200 -- which, again, I don't think is a huge deal for the First Order's writers, who complete T3 dominions in like 4 days. If we go into it with a plan and objectives, like a dominion, then I don't really think it will take a long time. Besides, people are constantly asking in chat what the next 'thing' is. Why not this?

 

[Roderik von Brinkerhoff]

I have to echo our illustrious leaders' thoughts in regards to 100 vs 200 post-count flagship. With the way we're capable of powering through threads without sacrificing post quality, I don't see 200 posts being all that indistinguishable from 100 in the scheme of things. Especially considering we would be avoiding the dev requirement for the planetary resource -- so absolutely all of our effort could be directed at the flagship thread.

With neither time constraint nor defensive concerns immediately pressing us to complete the dev thread ASAP, I think we could safely wait out the additional day or two it would take to wrap it up. In that additional span of time perhaps we could be using it as an opportunity for our fleeter/ship-making people to submit their flagship designs to the pre-workshop for voting by the staff and faction community? We could make it a little OOC competition among the faction. "The First Order's Next Top Flagship Design!" lol.

[member="Natasi Fortan"], [member="Ludolf Vaas"], [member="Rolf Amsel"]

 

[Natasi Fortan]

We were planning to have a design contest anyway, so -- I don't see a problem with that.

On the other hand, 100 posts (75% off flagship) + 50 posts (for dev of Stygium world) = 150 posts, still less than 200 for the flagship 50% off + 0 for Stygium world.

I'd like to get more information on just what our world will involve before making the final call.

 

[Zef Halo]

[member="Natasi Fortan"] [member="Roderik von Brinkerhoff"]

400 down to 100, whoa.


We can do 50 posts , as I said, for a planet with maximum amount of restricted materials. 300 posts is a shitload amount of difference imo. We can even have those 50 posts in a dom as an objective. That can be the next thing. Hell we can dev two planets lol.

I personally think, and echoing the sentiments and facts about our posting speed, that a 75% reduction of a massive dev thread outweighs completely a no dev restricted materials planet.

 

[Valessia Brentioch]

We were planning to have a design contest anyway, so -- I don't see a problem with that.

On the other hand, 100 posts (75% off flagship) + 50 posts (for dev of Stygium world) = 150 posts, still less than 200 for the flagship 50% off + 0 for Stygium world.

I'd like to get more information on just what our world will involve before making the final call.

[member="Jude Falkrowe"]

I see you're point but, considering we literally slapped a T3 in the face in like a matter of four days tops? 200 posts vs 100 that's just it's semantics given the quality and quantity of writing we're putting out in that time frame. I agree with the leadership's decision to go ahead and get the no dev planet mat world for Stygium.

I'd also love to see that little OOC competition happen there, [member="Roderik von Brinkerhoff"]

 

[Zef Halo]

[member="Valessia Brentioch"] [member="Natasi Fortan"]

If we can repeat such a T3, I fully agree. We did it once only for now. Otherwise, I still think the points I brought up outweigh a no dev thread for a restricted material planet. Especially since we don't know if its 25 or 50 and in both cases, once again agreeing on what you and I are saying that we are smashing posts like crazy, a planet dev would be nothing.


This my personal suggestion on the utilization of the rewards.

• Gold for 100 post flagship
• Silver for no dev for 3km ship
• Do an exploration dom where we explore x of planets that we use as a development for large sized restricted material planets.

If we go by numbers = 100 for flagship + 100 for TWO max amount restricted mats planets = 200 posts in totes.



P.S: Valessia just reminded me we have 2 Silver rewards so perhaps add in the list a trump card of +3 allies in an invasion for the future ?

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

On the other hand, 100 posts (75% off flagship) + 50 posts (for dev of Stygium world) = 150 posts, still less than 200 for the flagship 50% off + 0 for Stygium world.

Given the information presented, I think this is the way to go. Why make more posts when we don't need to?

Having a flagship would be pretty cool. We already have planets that can produce restricted materials. Stygium is cool and all... but I don't think it's awesome enough for me to get super excited over.

I'm in agreement with [member="Jude Falkrowe"] and [member="Darell Irani"], I would rather have the flagship discount.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I'd rather just go with the no-fuss planet for Stygium and bypass some of the finicky dev requirements. A 50 post commitment might turn into more than that. Meanwhile, we can whip out a 200 post flagship thread in a week.

 

[Valessia Brentioch]

[member="Natasi Fortan"] | [member="Ludolf Vaas"] | [member="Jude Falkrowe"]​

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Let me take this question about the numbers to Admins, and I'll come back with a for sure answer on this.​

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- places entire faction on hold -​

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- plays pretty hold music -​

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I've asked Cira/Illie. I think she is getting us the answer.

Oh, I'm on hold.

She mashes the '0' key over and over.

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

In that additional span of time perhaps we could be using it as an opportunity for our fleeter/ship-making people to submit their flagship designs to the pre-workshop for voting by the staff and faction community? We could make it a little OOC competition among the faction. "The First Order's Next Top Flagship Design!" lol.

[member="Natasi Fortan"], [member="Ludolf Vaas"], [member="Rolf Amsel"]

Looks like I'll need to get started. Assertor or Bellator?

 

[Natasi Fortan]

Looks like I'll need to get started. Assertor or Bellator?

Whichever one you think has what it takes to be... First Order's Next Top Flagship!

Although I think we should probably pick a design/name as a group, then ask Cyrus/Tanamos/whoever is good at fleeting to work up the actual stats. I think @Tanamos Graf already has something.

 

[Valessia Brentioch]

Looks like I'll need to get started. Assertor or Bellator?

I think I was just looking at both of those the other day!

 

[Jairus Starvald]

At the end of the day - how I see it - it's all about efficiency.

Could we knock out the flagship in 200 posts? Yeah, for sure. I have no doubt about that. But what it's about is ensuring that the membership doesn't feel like they are doing more work than is necessary for the same amount of prizes.

I know, I know. We are all here for the story first, but in my opinion, if we can get the story and the prizes both without shoving too much time into it than necessary?

That's a win-win for everyone involved.

So I like [member="Jude Falkrowe"]'s suggestion. Use the Gold for a 100-post flagship, then Silver for a possible restricted materials planet which we can also develop in a dominion.

Isn't efficiency what the First Order is all about?

 

[Progflaw99]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/ff/Eclipse_schem.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081001131804

This. In all black. Scaled to 5k.

 

[Ludolf Vaas]

I am in full agreement with [member="Darell Irani"].

 

[Natasi Fortan]

So much for admin unity and support.

[member="Ludolf Vaas"] : Put up a poll and let the members decide what to do with the gold reward.

 

[Avicus DuSang]

Let the people decide!

A sweet resource planet, sucka.