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No, only Congress can impeach (House of Representatives) and remove (the Senate) from office or else nothing would ever be doneRavella Liin said:
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2016 Election
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Seris Caine
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They could very well do it if he screws up, even though Republicans control both. I'm sure they can work with Pence if it comes to that.
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
I am mining the salt right now. This is glorious.
2016 has truly been the year of the shitlord. First Brexit, now Trump. For the first time we are voting for our own group interests. We gave one giant middle finger to globalism and mass immigration. We elected a man on the basis of building a wall and deporting them all. That is powerful. We have reshaped the Republican Party in our image forever.
These last two years have been one hell of a ride. Say it with me. PRESIDENT TRUMP.
2016 has truly been the year of the shitlord. First Brexit, now Trump. For the first time we are voting for our own group interests. We gave one giant middle finger to globalism and mass immigration. We elected a man on the basis of building a wall and deporting them all. That is powerful. We have reshaped the Republican Party in our image forever.
These last two years have been one hell of a ride. Say it with me. PRESIDENT TRUMP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mLzFeqWePo
Good Ol' Scoundrel
[member="Natasi Fortan"]
It's not that funny when you're on the other side of an invasion.
It's not that funny when you're on the other side of an invasion.
skin, bone, and arrogance
That matters less to me when we're talking about modern invasions of Taliban-dominated Afghanistan and Saddam "Rape Rooms" Hussein. Yes it sucks for them to be invaded, but that's kind of the point.Zef Halo said:
Good Ol' Scoundrel
[member="Natasi Fortan"]
I was referring to the civillians caught in between the world police and the dictators.
I was referring to the civillians caught in between the world police and the dictators.
Landsknechte
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All this doom and gloom talk. America is no worse than it was two days ago. Just like it was no better when Obama was elected for the first time. Remember how he was the messiah? Yeah, not so much, he was just another Democrat president. Now this will all blow over and in a year or two we will all look back and say to ourselves that we were being ridiculous.
The truth was this: whoever got elected, America loses. Trump is certainly an unlikable individual as a whole. Then again, people sweep Clinton's transgressions under the rug as if they're nothing. He's a blatant nerf herder. She's a shady double-dealing politico but simply hides her nefarious actions better. Benghazi, rigging the Democratic primaries, accepting money from shady sources and that's just some of her skeletons from this election cycle.
He was accused of sexual assault. He may or may not be guilty, that's unproven as yet. What he did do for certain was say some stupid, ignorant things. How quickly people forget Hillary Rodham defending a governor Bill Clinton against rape charges. Rape allegations against a minor, if I recall. Getting him acquitted (different from not guilty) and then being recorded laughing about the situation.
Even if the allegations were false again Bill Clinton, you don't laugh about child rape like that then later condemn another person for saying something of a similar vein. And again, accusing someone of a crime like rape or sexual assault without them being found guilty doesn't make it true. No matter how much you dislike the accused person.
So, again to paraphrase Obama, the sun rose and life goes on.
The truth was this: whoever got elected, America loses. Trump is certainly an unlikable individual as a whole. Then again, people sweep Clinton's transgressions under the rug as if they're nothing. He's a blatant nerf herder. She's a shady double-dealing politico but simply hides her nefarious actions better. Benghazi, rigging the Democratic primaries, accepting money from shady sources and that's just some of her skeletons from this election cycle.
He was accused of sexual assault. He may or may not be guilty, that's unproven as yet. What he did do for certain was say some stupid, ignorant things. How quickly people forget Hillary Rodham defending a governor Bill Clinton against rape charges. Rape allegations against a minor, if I recall. Getting him acquitted (different from not guilty) and then being recorded laughing about the situation.
Even if the allegations were false again Bill Clinton, you don't laugh about child rape like that then later condemn another person for saying something of a similar vein. And again, accusing someone of a crime like rape or sexual assault without them being found guilty doesn't make it true. No matter how much you dislike the accused person.
So, again to paraphrase Obama, the sun rose and life goes on.
Aspiring Jedi
I think a lot of people also need to realise that Trump did what he needed to do to get elected. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't reflective of the intelligence and poise we feel like we should seek in our Leaders, but it got the job done. What was the expression? "Campaign in Poetry, govern in Prose"? Trump will have to do that now: he'll have to move beyond his base of supporters and try to unify a country behind him, which requires him to do more than spout the extremist views, utter racist rhetoric and demean women.
After all, 9/10's of the world's population is not white, nor American. Combine that with 50% of them being women (including some very powerful world leaders), and he's going to have to pay them the respect they're due if he wants to do business with any of them. As a businessman, he can afford to choose who he does business with, and express himself as he sees fit. As President of the United States, he must be a better man - and, if I'm honest, last night's speech to the country made me think that he could do it. It's going to take a lot of work and a hell of a lot of rehabilitation, but it's not an impossible task. Whether he'll do it or not is anybody's guess - I suppose, at this point, all we can do is give him chance to succeed or fail. End of the day, unless he does something incredibly stupid, the world is stuck with him as US President.
That being so, it's not wrong to say that America needs to line up behind its President. Like him or hate him, in two months, he'll be in the chair. His job will be to work to create a better America. Again, no idea if he'll succeed, but he has to be given the chance to do so.
And, let's be honest, if we've learned anything from this election cycle, it's that the USA is divided, conflicted, confused and badly in need of fixing. Bernie Sanders was the man who should have been able to do it, Donald Trump is the man who has to do it. I don't like the guy, I'd never have considered voting for him as a US citizen, but he is the man in the hot-seat now. His obligation is to build a prosperous America and be your envoy to the world. Yours is to back him, even if you disagree with him. Because he's the guy you voted in.
After all, 9/10's of the world's population is not white, nor American. Combine that with 50% of them being women (including some very powerful world leaders), and he's going to have to pay them the respect they're due if he wants to do business with any of them. As a businessman, he can afford to choose who he does business with, and express himself as he sees fit. As President of the United States, he must be a better man - and, if I'm honest, last night's speech to the country made me think that he could do it. It's going to take a lot of work and a hell of a lot of rehabilitation, but it's not an impossible task. Whether he'll do it or not is anybody's guess - I suppose, at this point, all we can do is give him chance to succeed or fail. End of the day, unless he does something incredibly stupid, the world is stuck with him as US President.
That being so, it's not wrong to say that America needs to line up behind its President. Like him or hate him, in two months, he'll be in the chair. His job will be to work to create a better America. Again, no idea if he'll succeed, but he has to be given the chance to do so.
And, let's be honest, if we've learned anything from this election cycle, it's that the USA is divided, conflicted, confused and badly in need of fixing. Bernie Sanders was the man who should have been able to do it, Donald Trump is the man who has to do it. I don't like the guy, I'd never have considered voting for him as a US citizen, but he is the man in the hot-seat now. His obligation is to build a prosperous America and be your envoy to the world. Yours is to back him, even if you disagree with him. Because he's the guy you voted in.
Seris Caine
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I see a lot of people calling Trump racist. I present you with this enjoyable video about liberals.
https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE
https://youtu.be/odB1wWPqSlE
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Third parties can't win for an entirely different reason, and before you turn away from my post, I agree. The two party system needs to be abolished, with a vengeance.
The problem for third parties is the way votes are cast and tallied. We have what is called a first past the post style of voting. In it, people vote for one person for an office (generally speaking) and all candidates are measured that way. A voter can only show their primary preference.
People don't work like that for the most part, most people aren't all or nothing types. My preferred method would be a gradient. Rank the candidates, and tally points to each candidate based on where on each persons spectrum they are. This would make third parties a truly viable part of our system, and actually able to contest for office.
With our current system, the last third party candidate to gain the office of President was when Abraham Lincoln won, putting the Republicans in the place of the Whig party.
Third parties can't win for an entirely different reason, and before you turn away from my post, I agree. The two party system needs to be abolished, with a vengeance.
The problem for third parties is the way votes are cast and tallied. We have what is called a first past the post style of voting. In it, people vote for one person for an office (generally speaking) and all candidates are measured that way. A voter can only show their primary preference.
People don't work like that for the most part, most people aren't all or nothing types. My preferred method would be a gradient. Rank the candidates, and tally points to each candidate based on where on each persons spectrum they are. This would make third parties a truly viable part of our system, and actually able to contest for office.
With our current system, the last third party candidate to gain the office of President was when Abraham Lincoln won, putting the Republicans in the place of the Whig party.
Wolf
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All I can say is we've got at least 4 years of top quality banter, and quite possibly 8. I love you America, never change.
In honesty, I see a lot of hyperbole as to the dangers of a Trump presidency. Maybe I'm wrong, and WW3 does come, and Trump nukes China for making fun of his hair, and gives Europe to Putin as a Christmas gift, and renames America "the Orange Reich", but all in all I don't see anything extreme happening.
From my own British standpoint, a more self-interested and less idealistic approach to foreign policy from America could be a welcome change with regards to our own foreign policy and the current debacle in Syria, where Western powers are still trying to depose Assad from power and learning nothing from the mistakes of the Iraq War. A more friendly approach to Russia may also be helpful rather than constantly backing them into a corner with sanctions and threatening no-fly zones, threatening to shoot down Russian planes. The only potential risk, and it is a big risk, is Russia feeling more boisterous in expanding westwards.
Accusing his supporters of racism, bigotry and hatred are part of the reason why Trump got elected to begin with. People are tired of being accused of racism whenever they raise concerns about illegal immigration, multiculturalism and globalism. Trump's rhetoric was an understandable breath of fresh air in a culture of political correctness, and amid a real feeling of not being listened to, abandoned and forgotten. Disillusioned, disenfranchised voters have risen up against an establishment that is entirely out of touch with their concerns, and against the same sorts of people that simply poo-poo their concerns as 'racism' and 'bigotry'.
Globalism has left behind a lot of people, regardless of whether you think it has been a net benefit overall, especially in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan where entire towns have had their industries stripped and shipped off to countries like China and Mexico. There is evidently a lot of legitimate hurt and frustration as a result as people who once thought their jobs were decent and fairly secure can no longer find one, this is not some mass revolt of racial hatred. If half of America is truly racist, how on earth they elected a black man to the presidency for two terms I have no idea.
As to his actual internal leadership, policy and whether it would work or is achievable, I don't know, and nor is it my priority, being more concerned with his foreign policy and how it affects Britain, which in my own conclusion seems like it could be beneficial. So best of luck America, we'll always love you. Who knows, maybe you'll be Great Again.
In honesty, I see a lot of hyperbole as to the dangers of a Trump presidency. Maybe I'm wrong, and WW3 does come, and Trump nukes China for making fun of his hair, and gives Europe to Putin as a Christmas gift, and renames America "the Orange Reich", but all in all I don't see anything extreme happening.
From my own British standpoint, a more self-interested and less idealistic approach to foreign policy from America could be a welcome change with regards to our own foreign policy and the current debacle in Syria, where Western powers are still trying to depose Assad from power and learning nothing from the mistakes of the Iraq War. A more friendly approach to Russia may also be helpful rather than constantly backing them into a corner with sanctions and threatening no-fly zones, threatening to shoot down Russian planes. The only potential risk, and it is a big risk, is Russia feeling more boisterous in expanding westwards.
Accusing his supporters of racism, bigotry and hatred are part of the reason why Trump got elected to begin with. People are tired of being accused of racism whenever they raise concerns about illegal immigration, multiculturalism and globalism. Trump's rhetoric was an understandable breath of fresh air in a culture of political correctness, and amid a real feeling of not being listened to, abandoned and forgotten. Disillusioned, disenfranchised voters have risen up against an establishment that is entirely out of touch with their concerns, and against the same sorts of people that simply poo-poo their concerns as 'racism' and 'bigotry'.
Globalism has left behind a lot of people, regardless of whether you think it has been a net benefit overall, especially in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan where entire towns have had their industries stripped and shipped off to countries like China and Mexico. There is evidently a lot of legitimate hurt and frustration as a result as people who once thought their jobs were decent and fairly secure can no longer find one, this is not some mass revolt of racial hatred. If half of America is truly racist, how on earth they elected a black man to the presidency for two terms I have no idea.
As to his actual internal leadership, policy and whether it would work or is achievable, I don't know, and nor is it my priority, being more concerned with his foreign policy and how it affects Britain, which in my own conclusion seems like it could be beneficial. So best of luck America, we'll always love you. Who knows, maybe you'll be Great Again.
Xiarr Sair
Waltzing Matilda
[member="Darth Ignus"]
We asked liberal ELITES about voter ID laws and black people.
Descriptions do wonders my friend.
We asked liberal ELITES about voter ID laws and black people.
Descriptions do wonders my friend.
Seris Caine
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[member="Xiarr Sair"]
Doesn't matter who they are. They are liberal elites, just like basically every liberal candidate for office.
Really, the point of posting that is to say that neither party is without their racists, so calling him racist is the pot calling the kettle black.
Doesn't matter who they are. They are liberal elites, just like basically every liberal candidate for office.
Really, the point of posting that is to say that neither party is without their racists, so calling him racist is the pot calling the kettle black.
Delicate
This ideology is part of the overarching problem with society. "You say our guy is so bad, but look at YOURS."Darth Ignus said:
Deflecting blame doesn't make you more righteous. This is why people ignore their candidates flaws despite ANY terrible things they say or do.
This is why I am registered as an unenrolled voter in Massachusetts. I don't believe in Us VS Them. I want a person who is genuine. Neither of those two were genuine, though I think what America voted was based solely on two factors:
- A knee-jerk reaction to wanting something different because they felt Obama somehow did them wrong. Keep in mind that Congress created countless roadblocks including both sides causing a shutdown of the government for a brief period to prevent a great deal of good things from going through to push their own agenda. Somehow this was always Obama's fault. Though suddenly the argument for the candidate people want is excused from this and the reverse is then argued. This is always the case. People put blinders on the things they don't want to see.
- To most people who voted for Trump they saw Hillary as Obama version two, and think that somehow a celebrity with zero knowledge of foreign or domestic policy and a mouth that has no filter will have a better chance at somehow piecing this country together. It's a nice dream, but it's exactly that. A dream.
Seris Caine
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[member="Jamie Pyne"]
Fair enough. My post wasn't about us vs them, but about pointing out that throwing stones at someone while your own party has plenty of people who do the same kind of negates the value of the stone you threw. Might as well be made of air.
Point of fact, the people who think negatively towards women and minorities did so long before Trump came around. They were going to do so regardless of what he said (not justifying what he said, just pointing out the truth). I understand the worry, but that really a fundamental problem with humanity in general, not any particular party or person.
Society needs to teach better morals.
Fair enough. My post wasn't about us vs them, but about pointing out that throwing stones at someone while your own party has plenty of people who do the same kind of negates the value of the stone you threw. Might as well be made of air.
Point of fact, the people who think negatively towards women and minorities did so long before Trump came around. They were going to do so regardless of what he said (not justifying what he said, just pointing out the truth). I understand the worry, but that really a fundamental problem with humanity in general, not any particular party or person.
Society needs to teach better morals.
First Order Planetary Defense Forces
That we are, our forefathers didn't have faith in the general populace to be able to intelligently elect a leader. Is the system flawed though yes, but it is the system they made us, and we all have to come to terms that it is how things are. Also on that note, no true system of Democracy or any other political system can ever exist, as there has to be some control over it. The closest thing to a true Democracy was Athens way back the in the day, but even that wasn't true democracy. Human nature is just to envious, power hungry, and devious to make certain things in their true form work. Now is that a bad thing, no because we are who we are, you can't change that, but it does make some really great ideas from some people so much more harder to implementDarth Ignus said:
RIP Carlyle Rausgeber
"It's all been bloody marvellous..."
So, out of curiosity; is this the start of a Democrat civil war?
I ask this because Hillary screwed Bernie out of the primary through cheating under the proviso that she wins on a less radical platform. But since we now have the Donald, does this mean the party starts tearing itself apart?
I ask this because Hillary screwed Bernie out of the primary through cheating under the proviso that she wins on a less radical platform. But since we now have the Donald, does this mean the party starts tearing itself apart?
B E A C O N
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Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
A couple of interesting things from this election I have noticed as an outsider.
- The Democrats lost this election as much as Trump won it. I cannot see Trump winning against anyone else given the flubs and errors he made during the campaign. The Democrats are going to have to take a long, hard look at themselves and wonder how they managed to lose an election which they should have swept.
- Fundamentally, Clinton was a bad choice. I don’t know if Sanders would have done better – but Clinton was so disliked, so mistrusted and had so much baggage that I doubt he would have done worse. Sanders at least was a man with greater personal integrity, even if he didn’t have a the party elites behind him.
- Much of the media and analysts got it wrong…really wrong. Even on Tuesday morning predictions from even good pollsters was saying 85%+ chance of a Clinton win, 95% chances of winning in Pennsylvania and the midwest, 65% in Florida and North Carolina, landslide in Virginia. And they were severely mistaken.
- Like Trump or not (and I’ve found many of his personal statements repugnant) this is a very, very impressive achievement. He came in as the joke candidate, the outsider. He did well in the primaries, but people dismissed him. He survived a horrible campaign and he struck with it. And by virtue of Clinton being as unlikeable as himself he won…but it’s still an amazing achievement.
- For people who say the United States is racist (and there’s no doubt some people are, like anywhere) take a look at the Midwest states where Clinton got results up to 10% different from Obama. It speaks to how the candidate does actually matter.
- For people saying the popular vote went to Clinton should matter – this can happen in all Democracies. It happened in Australia in 2010 and other times. The Electoral College is not a great system, but it’s not terrible. It’s main weakness is that 3rd parties are rarely viable unless they are regional (Dixiecrats, McMullen in Utah etc) and that no broad based 3rd party has won a state since 1912 (and that was because they were Republican offshoots).
- Trump does have a Republican Congress and Senate, but a lot of them don’t like him. This will not be him being able to pass whatever he wants; the United States does not have the strict party conformity of the British and Australian system of MPs. Indeed, one can also see forthcoming tension between Congress and Trump arising.
- This is the Republican’s dream – but they have no excuses now. If they don’t deliver on promises the midterm elections might punish them, as they did Obama in 2010.
- Turnout was still only 50-55%. Motivating people to vote is the only way to move forward. If the Democrats want to win in 2020 they need to get more people to vote and choose a better candidate.
Arumi Zy
Jekyll
All I'm going to say is woot, woot Trump. If your one of the people who vowed to move to Canada if he won please go and never come back. If your not one of those and want to stay and work on this nation together there is a ton of room on the Trump Train and we welcome you aboard.
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