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2016 Election

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Jsc

Disney's Princess
Today was gonna be a bad day either way.

When we first saw the candidates we knew. There was no winning. Not on this morning. Just another uphill battle through mud and through smoke. Just another day at the office. And being American myself, I'll keep the spirit of our forefathers at heart.

We move forward. Always, we move forward.
 
Chit's whack, yo

But America has been through tougher times than this, and we've bounced back from those calamities.

I'm sure that we'll find our footing again.

Edit: Also, he's a demagogue, not a Nazi. They are two different things :p [member="Count Morcus"]
 
Count Morcus said:
Wish folks'd stop comparing this to Brexit. All we did was leave the EU. This guy's a freaking nazi. No comparison. <.<
I do hope that you're just being glib.

Because if not then you're showing a really big misunderstanding of both what nazis are and what trump is.

Not liking someone doesn't make them a nazi. It makes them the political candidate you didn't support. Every election since the 40s has had someone compared to Hitler and it's getting very tiring explaining the differences.
 
There are differences, but they are far fewer than they should be.

He is a nationalistic demagogue, and while his rise to power didn't mirror Hitler's, his rise to office did, his rhetoric does.

I'm not saying it will be the same, he couldn't get away with the things Hitler did, it is situationally impossible.
 
Congress is a thing.

As others have said, the presidential position can only do so much. He has to bow to the whims of his peers in one way or another. His popularity among the youth came as a knee-jerk reaction to the pervasive and often unnecessary political correctness our society is having forced upon it. People are afraid to speak, because they're afraid of being ousted as a racist, sexist, etc.

When one percent of the population is seen as the majority by the media, you're bound to have a powerful reprimand coming. At the very least, we won't have a president who gets impeached as the media turns on her. I didn't vote for the man, but he is my commander in-chief, and so long as he gives lawful orders that do not go against the spirit of America or our moral values, there's nothing we can, or should do aside from keep him under the spotlight.

For those of you saying you're ashamed to be American, get over yourselves. You live in a first world country where you can go to a local McDonalds and get a meal for pocket change. You live in a country where you can say whatever the hell you want, when you want, wherever you want. Even the poorest of us can be considered upper crust by other countries' standards. You're lucky to be here, just as you would be lucky to be born in the UK, Germany, or any other modern country.

I will never tell anyone they have no right to queen and moan about their current situation, but I will give my opinions on that bitching. If you have a problem, do something about it. Get into politics. Sign up for one of the bureaus. Host a rally for LGBT rights, our war politics, or something else we need to work on. Shame over you national identity is the first step onto becoming an apologist nation, and a nation that apologizes for its existence is a nation breaking its own spine.

In the end, he's just a president. We've had 45 of them. He's going to be under such scrutiny that I doubt he'll be able to push any of his radical policies on the populace. Having a morally inept person as president is a bad situation, but it's not the end of everything.
 

Taa Nul

CEO of Kamigen Incorporated
Nazi was probably the wrong word to use, apologies. I'm just rather upset people have gone backwards and voted a racist moron into power.

[member="Drystan Talroth"]
[member="Darth Carnifex"]
 
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Draco Vereen said:
I can't defend the man. He's not a good human being. Its a sad state that he or Hillary was intended to hold our nation's highest office.

My point was, don't condemn those who voted for him as though they explicitly support the rhetoric you posted, or that they are uneducated swine. There is a reason he is now the President Elect, and it isn't because the Majority of Americans can't read and write or are racists. And I know that isn't what you were implying.
This.

It's easy for people, particularly those already pre-disposed to claim victimhood status for themselves, to take this election as a signal that President Trump is going to start issuing hunting licenses for LGBT people, women, Muslims, and Mexicans, because the only way Trump could win is if every single person who voted for him has hatred in their hearts for minorities, women, etc. It simplifies the election in a way that elections cannot be simplified. It's easy and it feels good to say it, because you claim some small section of the moral high ground and make yourself a martyr without having to actually be martyred.

But more realistically, I think people who aren't engaged in the political process heard a name they'd heard before, listened to the guy tell them he knew how to make their lives better, and was contrasted with Hillary Clinton, who had the baggage of e-mails, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, her obvious disdain for the American public, the rule of law, and particularly the working class voters who were flirting with Trump (the basket of deplorables). Let's not act like the voters rejected a shining example of a political paragon for this orange-colored asshat, which is what people do when they boil this decision down to a result of hatred.

In my experience, it's much more effective to motivate voters with self-interest than hatred, and right or wrong, a lot of the white working class voters that usually go Democrat listened to Trump say "We're going to bring your jobs back." I mean, it's nonsense, he can't and won't (and neither could Clinton) but at least he was saying something other than "If you don't want immigrants coming here to compete for your job, you're a disgusting human being and shame on you" -- again, right or wrong. Point is, to pretend the people who supported Trump could only be motivated because they hate gays, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. really ignores a lot of the cultural and economic issues that ACTUALLY motivate people to vote.

Frankly, I think the left is much more to blame for this than the right. We are told every election cycle that the Republicans have nominated Hitler reincarnate, when it isn't true. Eventually, voters get tired of hearing that they have selected the worst person in the world to run and a candidate who will stand up to these forces in the media, academia, and the political class, say what he says (however idiotic) and when he's admonished, double down. It's not hard to see why people who have been told they are evil -- not just wrong but evil -- for holding views that until about five years ago were the mainstream would find that kind of thing attractive.
 
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Count Morcus said:
Nazi was probably the wrong word to use, apologies. I'm just rather upset people have gone backwards and voted a racist moron into power.

[member="Drystan Talroth"]
[member="Darth Carnifex"]
Either way we were going to be voting a racist moron into power. Clinton isn't the Great White Hope that the left wants to claim; she only became 'progressive' on issues like race, gay rights, etc. when it became politically expedient to do so.
 
My honest belief is that the only candidate running for the people was Bernie Sanders. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me if you supported his ideas, but I can't possibly fathom anyone arguing against his actual, deep desire to make every single person in this country's life better. Whether that be supporting equal rights for every single person, to ensuring that clean water was available to people in Flint, Michigan, to ensuring that loopholes in the tax system were closed and so that billionaires couldn't profit off of the suffering of the middle and lower class. He cared about the people of this country. The evidence long since past demonstrated that. Hillary and Donald are both toxic liars in their own right, and in their own way. Trump is misogynistic. There's no plausible excuse for this and to deny it is ignorant. Hillary is a typical corrupt politician whose agenda aligns only with those filling her bank account, who will shift her stances based on convenience. Trump is full of empty words and promises to appease the fears and anger of the rural and suburban masses.

The two-party system of democracy serves only to divide the people. It is a broken, old system that needs to go away.

So many of my family voted for Trump. So many people have their reason for voting for the Red or Blue candidate because of the mob mentality of "We have to beat them at all costs." This sacrifice of morality and ethical grounds is what makes people so angry and upset. There should not be a system so critical to the functionality of a government that boils down to Team A has to beat Team B regardless of our humanity.

Voting third party should not be a wasted vote.

Mob mentality again; "Third party can't win because nobody votes third party." - If this wasn't the cop out response there would be no excuse not to ensure a three, four, or five party system, or even abolish the systems altogether and ensure that candidates ran based on their own platforms.

I was, and still am a supporter of Bernie Sanders, and I firmly believe he was the only candidate that actually cared about the people of this sorry country.

I only hope the next four years don't serve to roll back the advances in the LGBT and minority communities with the Republican party in complete control of the White House, House of Representatives, Senate, and Supreme Court. That, is why I am afraid. Not because there is just an oompa loompa in the White House now.
 
Not a fan of Trump and I did not for him. However, I did not like Hillary either despite casting my ballot for her. Either way the choices were completely horrible. The only real issue I have with Trump winning is the fact people feel now they have the power to be open with their hatred towards groups of folks. Why shouldn't they? Trump has run on a campaign of hating various people. My own aunt said folks should head back to Mexico now :/


Trump as president doesn't scare me. The policies and behaviors following do.
 
Natasi Fortan said:
Clinton isn't the Great White Hope that the left wants to claim; she only became 'progressive' on issues like race, gay rights, etc. when it became politically expedient to do so.
Basically only to counter Sanders and try and reel in that younger demographic.
 

HK-36

The Iron Lord Protector (Neutral Good)
So just a bit of nitpicking but according to the exit polls data I looked over (Also here) Clinton received 59,462,813 votes, 47.7% and Trump received 59,274,003 , 47.5%

Technically Clinton didn't lost because majority of people actually wanted Trump to be president

She lost because, in current U.S. system with the electoral college, her supporters lived in the wrong states
 
She did lose. Nothing matters but the electoral college. We aren't a democracy, we are a Republic.

That said, I read somewhere in here that someone was worried about a repeal of gay rights with a conservative supreme Court, but it was a conservative supreme Court that made the ruling on gay rights. So... *shrugs*
 
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