Cold War?

[Sabena Shai]

[member="Aela Talith"]
[member="Solan Charr"]

To expand, I also don't know of a single Invasion on the site where the victor was predetermined already (though that's not wrong in just itself). In all of the One Sith Invasions I've been a part of along with Aela and Darth Isolda, I don't recall ever negotiating the victor of an Invasion before the Invasion started.

And to add another point that's similar to this, unless I've missed something, I don't see a reason to distrust the Writers of One Sith characters. In fact, I see it as more harmful overall to unduly distrust a Writer on a roleplaying board. It's all a part of separating out-of-character and in-character - where one should never view the Writer of our character's enemy as an enemy.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

[member="Aela Talith"]
[member="Solan Charr"]

To expand, I also don't know of a single Invasion on the site where the victor was predetermined already (though that's not wrong in just itself). In all of the One Sith Invasions I've been a part of along with Aela and Darth Isolda, I don't recall ever negotiating the victor of an Invasion before the Invasion started.

And to add another point that's similar to this, unless I've missed something, I don't see a reason to distrust the Writers of One Sith characters. In fact, I see it as more harmful overall to unduly distrust a Writer on a roleplaying board. It's all a part of separating out-of-character and in-character - where one should never view the Writer of our character's enemy as an enemy.

They don't separate IC and OOC, why should we?

In my experience, the writers of the OS care about winning and the writers of the GR care about writing. The GR has been willing to make concessions; the OS have not. This will not change because we add "cold" to the designation. They will continue to try to get the upper hand through whatever means are possible and we will continue to get hosed.

 

[Strider Garon]

[member="Sabena Shai"] or trust no one........

 

[Relit Vandal]

[member="Aurelia Volcata"]

You are wrong on all accounts. Of course, I'm sure you have heard one side of the story without giving credence to the other.

Either way, for posterity sake, I will provide an example before I peace out: Prior to the Netherworld, we had a pretty intense set of invasions between the GR and OS. Kashyyyk and Prakith at the same time. After that occurred, the faction admins made an agreement to have a sort of ceasefire between the groups to which we agreed 2 months. Low and behold, the Telti invasion didn't occur until after that 2 month period. That was despite the numerous attempts by the player base of the OS to have an invasion - 2 months felt like a long time, but it was much needed after that event.

You don't have to trust the OS. But know this: The OS will respect the concessions of the Cold War. This isn't a ploy to gain advantage, it's an attempt to heal the relationship between the two factions with story based writing without having to interface once more into the arduous nature of invasions.

Cheers

 

[Gir Quee]

And to add another point that's similar to this, unless I've missed something, I don't see a reason to distrust the Writers of One Sith characters. In fact, I see it as more harmful overall to unduly distrust a Writer on a roleplaying board. It's all a part of separating out-of-character and in-character - where one should never view the Writer of our character's enemy as an enemy.

This is my personal experience, and by it I do not mean to implicate all of the OS writers or all as a group. I've had some great experiences with members of the OS group, and I have an IC arch-nemesis with my jedi character with whom I'm on very good terms with.

In our last invasion at Ord Mirit for Objective C, there was an agreement struck between the lead OS and Republic writers that to keep OOC drama down, issues would be routed through and dealt with those lead writers. The purpose of this agreement was to ensure consistently in understanding for such a large and complicated event, as well as to act as a emotional buffer between any parties on the opposite sides that might have some disagreements.

A good portion of that time, this happened.

But there was one OS staff member who violated that OOC agreement and directly contacted one of our members about an issue.

I don't know the rational for that action, perhaps it was heat of the moment, perhaps they felt their issue was being ignored. It could well have been a valid issue, but the protocol we established together OOC was not followed. It caused some OOC drama.

From that experience, I'm not inclined to trust that particular member of the OS staff (this is not to label all of the OS staff or members in that matter: there are certainly some there that I absolutely trust and respect). Hopefully time and their further actions will heal that mistrust that I feel.

Until them, I'm inclined to remain somewhat skeptical.

If we do follow the route to a Cold War, I think we need to come to an OOC understanding about how long this Cold War will last, or any understanding on how this plot could evolve again into a hot war.

For the record, since this poll is currently private, I will let the public know that I voted for the hot war. This isn't an issue that was decided in advance by the Republic staff. But ultimately, this decision belongs to the members of the group, not just the viewpoints of the staff.

 

[Cecily Demici]

For the sake of not being rude, let's all remember that SEVERAL Sith also have GR characters and vise versa.

You paint with a very broad brush when you are constantly posting in here about how everyone in the One Sith is a poor role player and only care about winning wars. That isn't true and quite frankly it is just inappropriate. Save that kind of stuff for Skype chat because you never know when you might be offending a friend and I would hate to think we lose any GR members over the ignorant ravings of a few members.

 

[Aithne Charr]

[member="Aela Talith"]
[member="Solan Charr"]

To expand, I also don't know of a single Invasion on the site where the victor was predetermined already (though that's not wrong in just itself). In all of the One Sith Invasions I've been a part of along with Aela and Darth Isolda, I don't recall ever negotiating the victor of an Invasion before the Invasion started.

And to add another point that's similar to this, unless I've missed something, I don't see a reason to distrust the Writers of One Sith characters. In fact, I see it as more harmful overall to unduly distrust a Writer on a roleplaying board. It's all a part of separating out-of-character and in-character - where one should never view the Writer of our character's enemy as an enemy.

Like i said in my last comment, when i had asked what was up to the Republic admins at the time i had not been sure to check the Sith side too. I grew from that a while back and this information from Aela and now you has shown me that its very possible i was given highly false info back then.

 

[Taeli Raaf]

Please keep this thread respectful and on task, this is not to point fingers and play who done what. It is merely to discuss the idea of a cold war or continue the hot war

 

[Natasi Fortan]

[member="Aurelia Volcata"]

You are wrong on all accounts. Of course, I'm sure you have heard one side of the story without giving credence to the other.

Either way, for posterity sake, I will provide an example before I peace out: Prior to the Netherworld, we had a pretty intense set of invasions between the GR and OS. Kashyyyk and Prakith at the same time. After that occurred, the faction admins made an agreement to have a sort of ceasefire between the groups to which we agreed 2 months. Low and behold, the Telti invasion didn't occur until after that 2 month period. That was despite the numerous attempts by the player base of the OS to have an invasion - 2 months felt like a long time, but it was much needed after that event.

You don't have to trust the OS. But know this: The OS will respect the concessions of the Cold War. This isn't a ploy to gain advantage, it's an attempt to heal the relationship between the two factions with story based writing without having to interface once more into the arduous nature of invasions.

Cheers

What you and [member="Cecily de Demici"] don't seem to realize is that I have characters and friends on the other side and have seen and heard how these things go.

But as I said, the decision has clearly already been made, so what is the point in this little charade?

 

[Cecily Demici]

If you have nothing nice to say, put it somewhere private. Im not saying I agree or disagree with anyone. Golden Rule, always.

Also, no one has made any decisions. One side currently has more votes than the other, but that doesnt mean ever point has been discussed. Even if you feel a decision has been made by the faction based on the vote you can still post your thoughts about the execution of the cold war.

Im sure Taeli would welcome any and all thoughts.

 

[Faith Organa]

I rather like the idea of a cold war, will give GRIM some more things to do.

Even though it says I"m not allowed to vote.

 

[Gir Quee]

I rather like the idea of a cold war, will give GRIM some more things to do.

Even though it says I"m not allowed to vote.

I'll take a look into that and see if there's some technical glitch. I did a quick look at your member profile in the Republic, but I don't see any restrictions placed on your account. You should be allowed to vote.

If for whatever reason we cannot fix this problem by the time the vote is up, I'll be certain to add an extra tally in favor of the Cold War.

If anyone else is having problems with voting, please let us know so that we can make sure to get your vote.

 

[Sabena Shai]

its very possible i was given highly false info back then.

And to give the people that told you this info the benefit of the doubt, it's very likely they've misremembered some details. I know I misremember stuff at times as well, and I believe it's a common human experience to "remember" something that happened when it didn't.

They don't separate IC and OOC, why should we?

Because "Two wrongs don't make a right."

 

[Natasi Fortan]

I'm also unable to vote. I vote NO, YES.

At any rate, we're going to turn the other cheek til we have no more cheeks left to turn. People are going to get tired of being rolled and quit the faction. It's very very simple. No one wants to put effort into a losing cause, doubly so if it's because we're more willing to take defeats for story purposes.

 

[Tyl Ro]

I would personally welcome the idea of a Cold War. This would be a very different avenue from the constant battle-to-battle formula we have done up to this point. No reason why we can't still do more "hot" types of things. It just keeps things fresh.

And, on an IC level, I don't see how a certain level of distrust is a bad thing. After all (and again I am speaking in terms of IC interactions) they are Sith, and we are the Republic. Aren't we supposed to distrust each other? If anything, that's what makes a Cold War so intriguing. Two sides acting all polite on the surface but beneath it all scheming to gain the upper hand, doing whatever is necessary to make sure your opponent ends up with their face planted in the dust.

Ahem, not that a Jedi would ever think that way. Cough, cough

 

[Ali Hadrix]

I feel we need to subdue the weight of this vote's results and consider a third option:

Continue the open war with the OS with a particular set of military goals in mind and simply add story-driven, covert operations to the list of threads we write with them.

To be clear, a Cold War with the OS would require we do things like pit other factions against each other in order to affect one another's factions in some fashion. Like the American CIA fomenting civil war in Afghanistan in order to trick the Russians into invading and draining their economic power through military spending.

We can write stories like that and have our hot war as well. The disadvantage of ending the hot war is that we lose all opportunity to gain territory back from the OS, which SHOULD remain an on-going objective.
The advantage of initiating covert stories with the OS is to repair that relationship we were speaking of.

But the two aren't mutually exclusive.

So, continue the hot war, and initiate covert ops threads (which can also be used to support our future invasions).

 

[Sabena Shai]

[member="Ali Hadrix"],

Another third option (or a fourth?) would be to have a roleplay dedicated to the peace talks as I mentioned earlier. Leaves the option for the hot war to be extended - either by the One Sith leadership, the Republic leadership, someone going rogue, or a third faction's shenanigans. Would be interesting to see this played out.

 

[Ali Hadrix]

[member="Sabena Shai"]: That too is a great suggestion.

 

[Cecily Demici]

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