Invasion of Helska pre-planning: The Primeval vs The Shadow Dynasty

[Aedan Miles]

[member="Nickolas Imura"]

I am honored that you recall my past but that isn't who I am at the moment. I am a lightsider. Bringing lightness, fluffiness, and bacon to the world

 

[Boethiah]

Bumping out the ship issues is not about who's right, it's about making sure that this invasion is as legitimate as possible so that when it's concluded the RPJs don't decide to scrap it because of inadvertent rule-breaking.

No one here is trying to call anyone out.

 

[Saera Willamina Savan]

I've been really patient and tried to keep myself out of this. But it keeps coming up in chat as an issue. And now I'm upset.

I, myself, one of the leaders and admins of the faction of the Shadow Dynasty, give myself and my members IC right to use my ships... because they're mine, and I am me. Again, any ships not directly created by me were purchased through the linked IC auctions and now belong to me.

Here is the general manifest (in plain sight).
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/49543-the-shadow-manifest/

Here is the faction naval forum (also in plain sight IIRC).
http://starwarsrp.net/forum/1549-the-shadow-fleet-navy-forum/

And if for some reason you can't see any of that, I will be personally checking forum permissions in one moment.

I really hope and wish this is the first and last time I have to intervene. Interfaction stuff is exactly what I said I was looking to avoid after coming back to SWRP.



PS: I sincerely apologize as someone set the naval forum's threads to be invisible to guests. The issue has been rectified.

 

[Zambrano the Starweird]

[member="Særa Ayña Savan"] I don't know what's going on elsewhere, but as far as I am aware (which isn't much), there shouldn't be much reason to be upset. I appreciate however your civility in the well composed manner of how you dealt with your distress.

I would like to inform you however that the Naval forum is blocked

I think I am sufficiently satisfied despite my reservation on all of this, if that would appease you and calm whatever heat is rising between our members and your members.

 

[Saera Willamina Savan]

I would like to inform you however that the Naval forum is blocked

I think I am sufficiently satisfied despite my reservation on all of this, if that would appease you and calm whatever heat is rising between our members and your members.

Yeah, sorry about that. That's hopefully been resolved and the navy board/threads set to guest view included now.

As for any tension, it's not between the members. It's just that this should have been a simple issue to resolve and has instead prolonged over several hours, meaning some of us have to take time from what we were doing to try and rectify the situation.
It doesn't really anger me personally, I know it's what I signed up for when I returned.

Sorry if I came off a little hard, by the way.

 

[The Red of Sinner]

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/41865-subach-innes-blowout-auction-part-1-capital-ships/


There ya go.

 

[The Red of Sinner]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"] [member="Spencer Jacobs"]

Let me get this straight....you want us to make a dev thread for the reproduction of a ship won in a auction maybe...four to five months ago, I dont know I hate math.

So Ima be civil about this as I have said Ima turning a new side, and I see Ashe is getting upset here, and I dont want this to blow up.

I will not make a dev thread for this, for two reasons.

1.Why wasnt the new owner informed of this when it was first given? If they were, okay nevermind.

2. Why was I not involved with the discussion of the issue of the invasion with the Staff Member, and other Faction Owner? That is rude, shady, and I don't appreciate it. All I had was the Faction Owner's word to go off on, and Im not saying he is lying to me, cause I trust him. But if the Judge could not involve me with this discussion as well so that I could say my two cents...I wont except that as fair. Even if the outcome was the same.




@Tefka

 

[Boethiah]

[member="The Shadow King"]

I appreciate your concerns. However, some of this may or may not be slightly out of context.

So if we want to discuss with an admin or so then perhaps doing so over PM would be more manageable for them and us.

 

[The Red of Sinner]

[member="Anja Aj'Rou"]

Agreed very much so agreed or at least a RPJ.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="The Shadow King"]
...Why have I been tagged?

 

[The Red of Sinner]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

For you psassive aggressiveness. And to keep me in check. Which you are good at.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="The Shadow King"]
I have no idea what's going on in this thread.
Try and resolve the problem yourselves please via PM, and if that fails, put in a report and staff will investigate.

 

[Saera Willamina Savan]

If I may interject, it feels as though you guys are more focused on making everything perfect and nitpicking the finest details than you are on actually having fun with this. Just talk things out, together, in mutual agreement. As I've always encouraged members to never have a need to resort to reporting something, so should everyone spread that example and just play for the spirit of enjoyment.

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Særa Ayña Savan"]

We're doing just that over private chat so we can keep the invasion thread strictly to the invasion. It's better to discuss these things before the invasion happens so no one causes problems during it; such as reporting.

 

[Zambrano the Starweird]

[member="Særa Ayña Savan"], [member="The Shadow King"]

If I am correct, then the owners of each vessel on your fleet list is as follows:

[member="Solan Charr"] has made this his list

Spoiler

Shade Fleet B - 3950 Meters - (Fighter numbers are totaled, not per ship)

1 Hapan Battle Dragons - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hapan_Battle_Dragon - Present in Nova Fleet

• 
  1 Squadron of Devastator Heavy Fighters (6) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14742-devastator-class-heavy-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
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  2 Squadrons of Remnant Multipurpose Fighters (24) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14614-remnant-class-mutlirole-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  

1 Krayt Light Cruiser - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/27082-krayt-class-light-cruiser/ - Present in Shadow Fleet

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  1 Squadron of Devastator Heavy Fighters (6) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14742-devastator-class-heavy-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  2 Squadrons of Remnant Multipurpose Fighters (24) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14614-remnant-class-mutlirole-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  1 Squadron of Dread Class Light Fighters (12) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14608-dread-class-light-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  5 Cutlass Class Gunships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14809-cutlass-class-gunship/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  10 Umbra Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14954-umbra-class-dropship/ - Owned by Solan Charr
  

1 Wasp-B Heavy Cruiser - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/10374-wasp-b-heavy-cruiser/ - Present in Shadow Fleet

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  6 Victorine Class Medium Bombers - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/38596-victorine-class-medium-bomber/ - Present within Manifest, Mass Produced Despite Affiliation, Co-owned by Saera Anya Savan
  
  2 With Proton Bomb Load out
  
• 
  2 With Proton Torpedo Load out
  
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  2 With Missile Layout
  

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6 Umbra Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14954-umbra-class-dropship/ - Owned by Solan Charr


1 Resolute Class Command Ship (Designated Flagship) -http://starwarsrp.net/topic/10828-resolute-class-supercarrier/ - Present within Subach-Innes Blowout Auction, assumed to be under ownership of Subach-Innes co-owner Saera Anya Savan, listed within Manifest

• 
  28 Umbra Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14954-umbra-class-dropship/ - Owned by Solan Charr
  
• 
  20 Cutlass Class Gunships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14809-cutlass-class-gunship/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
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  4 Squadron of Dread Class Light Fighters (48) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14608-dread-class-light-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  4 Squadrons of Remnant Multipurpose Fighters (48) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14614-remnant-class-mutlirole-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  1 Squadron of Devastator Heavy Fighters (6) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14742-devastator-class-heavy-fighter/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
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  24 Tempest Class Light Bombers - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/9896-tempest-class-light-bomber/ - Present within Manifest
  
  12 With Proton Bomb Load out
  
• 
  6 With Proton Torpedo Load out
  
• 
  6 With Missile Load out
  

[*]
36 Victorine Class Medium Bombers - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/38596-victorine-class-medium-bomber/ - Present within Manifest, Mass Produced Despite Affiliation, Co-owned by Saera Anya Savan

• 
  12 With Proton Bomb Load out
  
• 
  12 With Proton Torpedo Load out
  
• 
  12 With Missile Layout
  

4 Dire Class Patrol Ships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14807-dire-class-patrol-ship/ - Mass Produced (Owned by Aiden Miles)

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  16 Cutlass Class Gunships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14809-cutlass-class-gunship/ - Owned by Aiden Miles
  
• 
  8 Umbra Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14954-umbra-class-dropship - Owned by Solan Charr
  

Romeo's Fleet List

Spoiler

1 Bandon class Star Destroyer (950) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/17192-bandon-class-star-destroyer/ - Present within The Hikage Armada, listed as Romeo's personal ship

• 
  1 Squadron of Mynock-Class Fighters (8) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/4167-mynock-class-space-superiority-fighter/ - Mass Produced, Present within Manifest
  
• 
  12 Victorine Class Medium Bombers - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/38596-victorine-class-medium-bomber/ - Present within Manifest, Mass Produced Despite Affiliation, Co-owned by Saera Anya Savan
  
  12 With Proton Bomb Load out
  

[*]
1 Squadron of Blackfire Fighters (12) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/35107-blackfire-class-light-starfighter/ - Mass Produced (Present within The Shadow Fleet)

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4 Cutlass Class Gunships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14809-cutlass-class-gunship/ - Owned by Aiden Miles

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5 Drakon Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/47876-drakon-dropship/ - Shadow Empire Owned


1 Krayt Light Cruiser (450) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/27082-krayt-class-light-cruiser/ - Present in Shadow Fleet

• 
  1 Squadron of Mynock-Class Fighters (8) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/4167-mynock-class-space-superiority-fighter/ - Mass Produced, Present within Manifest
  
• 
  12 Victorine Class Medium Bombers - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/38596-victorine-class-medium-bomber/ - Present within Manifest, Mass Produced Despite Affiliation, Co-owned by Saera Anya Savan
  
  12 With Proton Bomb Load out
  

[*]
1 Squadron of Blackfire Fighters (12) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/35107-blackfire-class-light-starfighter/ - Mass Produced/Owned by The Shadow King

[*]
5 Cutlass Class Gunships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/14809-cutlass-class-gunship/ - Owned by Aiden Miles

[*]
10 Drakon Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/47876-drakon-dropship/ - Shadow Empire Owned


1 Yorika Class Heavy Assault Cruiser - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/26773-yorika-class-heavy-artillery-cruiser/ - Present within Subach-Innes Blowout Auction, assumed to be under ownership of Subach-Innes co-owner Saera Anya Savan (Mass Produced), listed within Manifest

3 Shadow Class Support Corvettes - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/46590-shadow-class-support-corvette/ - Mass Produced (Present within The Hikage Armada)

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  3 Squadron of Blackfire Fighters (6) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/35107-blackfire-class-light-starfighter/ - Mass Produced (Present within The Shadow Fleet)
  

2 Ionizer Class Support - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/46796-ionizer-class-support-corvette/ - Mass Produced (Present within The Hikage Armada)

1 Hanzai Class Cruiser - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45619-hanzai-class-heavy-cruiser/ - Owned by The Shadow King

• 
  2 Squadron of Mynock-Class Fighters (8) - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/4167-mynock-class-space-superiority-fighter/ - Mass Produced, Present within Manifest
  

2 Drakon Class Dropships - http://starwarsrp.net/topic/47876-drakon-dropship/ - Shadow Empire Owned

8000/8ooo

To me that looks essentially accounted for, save for the fact that many of the ships indicated to be in various Fleets of the Shadow Dynasty were not also listed within the Manifest. Additionally, there is no paper trail directly relating the transfer of of the exceptionally few ships bought through the Subach-Innes Blowout Auction, though consider that one admin within the Dynasty is co-owner of the company that created the vessels, this is of little concern. However, there seems to be an overwhelming number of fighters and bombers brought over by Aiden Miles, however, most of these submission are open market and mass produced. On the other hand there are a few notable submissions brought over by Aiden Miles that hail from other factions, and no modifcation has been made to include the Shadow Dynasty among the affiliates. This is a minor bug, easily fixed, and of little importance over all; however, if this is an intentional move I observe no paper trail that indicates that Aiden Miles directly transfer these vessels over to the Shadow Empire by owning them directly, as of yet.

I'm going to stop critiquing the credentials of this fleet here, because now I'm kind of bored. I think I've proven my point. At first glance the fleet looks like a mess... honestly it is, I suggest building some of your own dedicated ships other than your sole Drakon thingy (had a good chuckled over the fact it was the only item listed with your tag on it), but despite this it appears to me to check out for the most part, and where it doesn't seem to is of only minor concern to me.

Hopefully this alleviates any concerns on the Primeval and Shadow Dynasty sides of this argument. Overall, it appears that, most of the ships present were at least created by those present within the Shadow Dynasty, and many of them are actually open market or simply directly owned (in some cases kinda conspicuously, though I'll set that judgement aside due to my reservations). I thoroughly believe that we should dismiss this as an issue, and proceed with the Invasion as planned.


TL;DR: I did a lot of work and fact checking, the Shadow Dynasty's mess of a Fleet basically checks out, but I advice them to in the future, manufacture more Shadow Empire ships than just one, as the worry on our side was solely by the disorganized web of ownership over a plethora of ships that span all across the boards various factions. We hope no harm was done!

Can we stop being drama llamas now?

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]

We've already cleared that

But thank you for clearing it up!

No, that is no longer the issue. Everything indeed checks out except for one vessel but that's a bit of a difficult thing to deal with but I believe we're on the verge of closing the issue once and for all.

 

[Zambrano the Starweird]

[member="Anja Aj'Rou"] Well that's good I suppose, though is the fuss continuing over a single vessel? If so, I'll kindly step out of this thread for awhile, as I have other posts I could be attending to

 

[Via Dolorosa]

For what it's worth....I'm looking to have fun!!! Tons and tons and tons of FUN!!!



FUN!

 

[Via Dolorosa]

[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]

Hutts don't walk....they slither. and you are not slithering anywhere

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Zambrano the Hutt"]

Nah, the fuss continued over miscommunication because things were thrown out of context; it's not a fuss. Privately [member="The Shadow King"] and are I fine and being civil. I think there's a misunderstanding, I'm not trying to call him out I'm trying to help him because there was the potential issue of us being reported by a third party that I'd like to not discuss further in the thread for the same reason as you don't want the fuss to continue.

[member="Ciara Jevnaker"]

Don't we all?

That's what us Faction Owners are doing, dealing with the boring fussy stuff so you guys can have fun when the invasion launches