Star Wars Roleplay: Chaos

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Invasion of Roche OOC [GR vs Mandos]

[member="Darth Vulkan"]
I dont think everyone is as gungho about attack on sight as you think they are. A diplomatic mission typically requires no violence.

But I stand by what I said: it is clear what some people want here.

Im glad I got an opponent who wants to write a good story.
 
I wouldn't have minded a third party.

Maybe it would have been a good un-biased individual to stand by and watch Mantic and Aaralyn debate.

o_O;;;;;;;

I r sad now.

That being said [member="Mantic Dorn"] - unsure how you want to proceed. She probably won't move much more down the streets as progression upon Republic lines might be taken as an act of aggression and she isn't acting as an aggressor.

#notgivingareason
#sorry
 
Eh, shame some people can't just relax a little.. Julius ain't gonna fight unless you egg him on or actively hurt someone he's sworn to...But hey, we can go have an RP thread with our aforementioned group and clean up the inevitable aftermath of the squabbles. And we can invite participants from here interested in RPing a continuation of the story here, needing healing, whatever.

Ya'll folks enjoy your little war.

[member="Avalore Eden"] | [member="Gabriel Sionoma"]
 
[member="Avalore Eden"] I would be happy to set up a triage area for aiding the wounded with you location where perhaps two medical frigates could meet, or on the planet...

If the FOs agree


[member="Anija Betna"] [member="Mantic Dorn"]
 
Aaralyn Rekali said:
...

That being said [member="Mantic Dorn"] - unsure how you want to proceed. She probably won't move much more down the streets as progression upon Republic lines might be taken as an act of aggression and she isn't acting as an aggressor.

#notgivingareason
#sorry
Hey,

You are gonna have to post something I guess. You are on the PvP list on the Mando side. So somehow we need to move forward. Maybe if you described her drinking tea and then I'll sneak up on you and chop off your head as the mandalorian she is? ;)
 
Avalore Eden said:
Good day honorable Faction Owners of the GR and the Mandos.

I would like to humbly request permission to join this invasion as a neutral third party who has come to provide humanitarian aid for civilians and the wounded of this battle.

With me would likely be a very small assortment of GA Healers ([member="Vaet"], [member="Adele Adonai"]) and some GA thugs ([member="Gabriel Sionoma"], [member="Julius Sedaire"], [member="Jacen Voidstalker"]) for protection for us Healers.

We have no intentions of taking a side or even participating in PvP however we agree that story happens and should someone happen to make their way over any PvP that results with this group would not count as any points for determining the winner of this invasion.

What say ye?
Good morning!
The decission is made about this, and I can understand why the it would be awkward with more light affiliated folk joining in, even with OOC rules restricting you. And so I am not going to continue the debate.

But...

For your information - we work alike. The GR is already RPing humanitarian aid on Roche as well though and this just shows that you folk need to drop that Alliance and rejoin the republic so we can do humanitarian aid together!

pikcha_20100122_708.jpg

@lightside powah! ;)
 
Rianna Ar'klim-Organa said:
[member="Avalore Eden"] I would be happy to set up a triage area for aiding the wounded with you location where perhaps two medical frigates could meet, or on the planet...

If the FOs agree


[member="Anija Betna"] [member="Mantic Dorn"]
Judging by your tag - You are a mandalorian humanitarian aid worker operating on the mando side? You are free to RP medic on the mando side any day. Just like we have aiders on the GR side.

Just be very clear that you can run into problems if you start roaming freely though. If your ships are built for war they could simply be shot downr, Republic side would have to be given contact if you are to enter that side of the "battle fields" since from a military perspective your ship could just as easily hide a mandalorian strike team. We already have mando forces doing behind the line stuff so it would make it very hard for you to operate freely.
Common sense goes.
If you can dig that - Okey by me.

If you are not on the mando side we have already stated that no third "non-fighting forces" will be admitted into the invasion.
[member="Anija Betna"] [member="Gir Quee"]
 
While talking to some folks, the topic of the Healers came up and how they wanted to join the invasion for a strictly story-telling purpose but were ultimately turned down. There was some confusion on the matter, and I mentioned that were I in the position to decide, I too would have denied the request. Not out of any sense of hostility or what-have-you, but for a few simple reasons.

- By simply participating in the thread, you risk affecting its outcome. Danger and the Senators are nominally involved as they are sitting in a room, discussing the hostilities in an entirely separate system. Healers would have to be inside the system, down where the fighting is; in the halls, on the fields, in every place where blaster fire is ringing overhead. By merit of offering humanitarian aid, you are affecting the thread. What happens if Writer A tries to blow apart Writer B's unit formation and, for one reason or another, ends up exploding a console that traps a bunch of civilians inside with a rapidly diminishing oxygen supply. Left alone, they would surely die, but here comes a Healer to set them free and tend to their wounds. The outcome of things has been changed, and little actions like this will compound on one another to create a very different ending.

Ans as a note on the GR and Mando healers that might be doing the above; by right of their faction association, they have the ability to do all this and affect the outcome because they are direct participants. Any third parties ( GA, TU, etc ) don't have this privilege.

- If you are not looking to affect the outcome of the thread and are simply looking to enjoy the storytelling opportunities involved, then why not simply make a thread that takes place at the same time and roll from there. You can read and incorporate actions from the main invasion thread and work them into the overarching plots in your side Healer thread. Writers who agree that they've lost their fight could be free to simply hope over into this new thread and continue writing there, with the same people or start new plots with others, while perhaps still feeling like they're involved in the evolving story.

Again, Danger and co. here occupy a bit of a unique space as though their participation in the thread is not a direct one, there remains the possibility that discussions there might have some kind of impact on the escalating conflict on Roche. As well, it's my understanding that it's an attempt at getting non-traditional participants ( Senators ) involved in an invasion in such a way that there is very little pressure to feel like one has to contribute militarily for the success of the invasion, and as well serves as a sort of prototype for future invasions where this same style of approach might be used or desired.

dividing-line-1.png
Of course, this is just my personal viewpoint and opinion, and it could certainly be different from those of the Republic or Mandalorian leaders. But I felt the need to simply interject and make mention with my two credits on the subject in the hopes that it might shed a little light on the possibility of why such a request was denied. I do not believe it was denied out of any sense of malice or desire to deny others a chance at being involved in an emerging story. Merely I think it was done as a cautionary move to prevent potential conflicts in the future and to reduce any extraneous posting that might otherwise inflate the posting within the thread. Although it seems probable that it will pass the mark on its own, recall that Invasions do have a minimum number of posts that it must meet. Thus any extra posting could potentially affect this requirement.

At any rate, that's my thought on the matter. We now return to your irregularly scheduled wartime drama.
 
Captain Larraq said:
[member="Barrien Siegfried"]

Actually, the concern is to provide a fair and balanced roleplay environment for both sides.

That alone is hard enough without tossing in a wildcard third party.
So what we do is allow these individuals to write in the space, and merely decide here and now that nothing they do well have bearing on the outcome of the invasion.

For instance, they can interact with Ali right now because she hasn't been engaged yet. But once she has, nothing they attempt to drag her into will count as legitimate.

Done and done, we should let them write.

They also could simply do a separate thread of their own that takes place within the Invasion events.
 
[member="Ayden Cater"] - Pretty sure we stated setting up a station... So you point about freeing NPCs or such? Doesn't apply. At all. We'd be having people brought to us. Not going to them. As an EMS professional AND friends with several USN/USMC Corpsman and Army Medics, I can tell you field extrication, evac, treatment and more takes a LOT longer than what anyone on this site seems to comprehend. So, unless I misunderstood the intent I read, that situation wouldn't happen... And then, if I did, and your point about the prospective group roving was an issue? Even though it wasn't brought up? Then we could easily make it stationary. If it was mentioned as an issue. Plus, from what i've studied of Force Healing, it functions somewhat similar to One Power style Healing from Wheel of Time (or should, physiologically speaking). You're going to need time to recoup from the process. Now, if people on here aren't playing that out right in scenes, not much I can do there..

But, I digress, even if we did heal such NPCs, reversing hypoxic damage to the brain and the like would take a lot of effort. I.E. - They would not be able to be grabbed, healed, and released in one post... Probably not even in 3-5.... The IC process to heal them, monitor them for adverse changes or retroactive maleficence.. etc... That would take hours if not longer.. They'd likely take a lot of the thread (per our involvement) to be even mobile again.. And it's (in my mind) doubtful they would be released for the duration of the thread. If extrication was even done. It would be easy to have set OOC terms up, like: If you guys treat a patient, they remain in your care for the extent of the Invasion in IC terms. Boom...

In the end, you have to trust your fellow writers to not be dicks, to a certain extent. And that isn't done on Chaos a lot, particularly in the numbers driven 'win at all costs' style invasions like we see here. Which I really hope Lujo turns into a thing of the past here shortly. Maybe the next time around other people can participate too.

Also...I'm not a veteran here in my estimation(only a year and change or so), but i've seen enough to know any thread started concurrent with an invasion, but not directly tied to it, would be immediately discarded, ignored, and die. I suggested as such, but the logic was brought to my attention, and it does fit with past examples now that I think of it. It's how these things work. If the Senators or such are not affecting the outcome, etc... Why didn't they just get their own thread? Your same logic can apply to them from your post, as there is nothing preventing a Senator from being a combat capable person ICly. Or from them leaving their room and joining the fight.. Unless they're on a separate planet/location, then I understand a bit better, but to me it also becomes even more common sense to separate the thread, to eliminate clutter like Anija stated....Why not, I ask again? Simple. People want to be involved. That's all. No more, no less.

In the end? This was a totally workable idea. It was unfairly terminated, I feel, without thought. Rather than come up with the objections, and then approach us with said objections/pronlems to see if solutions could be reached to the benefit of all and so we could be involved in some way, it was rejected. I hope my post had shown how the issues you mentioned could be worked around. And I'm sure I could do the same for others. The worry of us seeing [member="Darth Vulkan"] is EASY to avoid... Our enclave/healing station is set up well outside the bounds of the 'hot zone'. Which again, I can tell you from my career, is SOP for any MASH type place. You want to be near the fighting, but well enough away you aren't apt to be swept up in it.

So unless Draco were to go wandering way out of the action, he wouldn't be noticed. And given the Mandos have a rep for unsavory Merc and personal practices, and the GR sometimes is now (apparently) working with Darksiders here and there... Sensing Dark Sided presences wouldn't be all that alarming. Plus it's war, maybe some poor sod of a soldier is Force Sensitive, doesn't know it, and just ripped off a bit of Force Rage? It happens in Character Bios as backstory often enough. And we'd be (in the case of the healers) too focused on the job at hand to do much about it anyway. And in the case of those protecting them, like myself? Well you don't exactly leave your charges to go haring off after a possible combatant. Completely defeats the purpose of things. Besides, the GR is supposedly #TeamLightSide. Trust in them and theirs to deal with it.

Again, I feel the idea was looked at, a couple of (legitimate) problems were sourced, but rather than trying to work with the other writers, the perspective FA's just went "Nope... Something MIGHT go wrong if Situation A were to POSSIBLY happen. No dice". And that was that, without a single effort made to work through things. Now, ultimately, it is ya'lls sandbox, and you play in it how you will. Decision has been made and I won't argue to overturn it, even if I will point out flaws in the logic presented. I am not, by posting this, trying to argue anyone should reverse a decision. Whether I think it fair or logical, the decision was reached and i'll abide by it. But I do wish to point out how most people seem to be horribly misjudging what was intended.

But maybe the next time around, if this style of Invasion is still persisting, people might think differently and with a little more open mind.
 
Also this entire thread has me confused. Timeline wise the Sith and Techno Union attack Chazwa right after the coup happens, and this is set 24 hours after the coup I think. And the senate was just about cast down by Gen from what I remember, so if this is set before Chazwa being attacked then wouldn't that mean this senate talk wouldn't happen due to imperials getting their guts blown out on tv and a state of emergency being declared. I am not complaining at all, I just have no idea what the hell is going on timeline wise. So if anyone can just break it down Barney style for me I'd deeply appreciate it.
 
Commander Lusk said:
Also this entire thread has me confused. Timeline wise the Sith and Techno Union attack Chazwa right after the coup happens, and this is set 24 hours after the coup I think. And the senate was just about cast down by Gen from what I remember, so if this is set before Chazwa being attacked then wouldn't that mean this senate talk wouldn't happen due to imperials getting their guts blown out on tv and a state of emergency being declared. I am not complaining at all, I just have no idea what the hell is going on timeline wise. So if anyone can just break it down Barney style for me I'd deeply appreciate it.
No you are right, the time line might be confusing.

We have threads that IC started before this invasion that we dont take into account due to them being started OOC too late and vice verse. The Companies should be having their talks down the road since this invasion IC time wise happens before the companies reacts. But then we have company reaction right in the middle of and prior to the invasion as well.

It is pretty inhuman to ask someone sort it all out and if someone claims to know the correct timeline another will object to the same.
The invasion is started from Mando side due to the Red Dawn plot, as Gen made her move on Chazwa. But from there the times are blurry.
For instance. Mantic & [member="Draco"] veren and others are actually busy in other threads (Chazwa skirmish or whatnot) time wise at the same time as this invasion happens.

We have not agreed to the IC story behind this invasion but both factions have agreed on to disregard time hopping for the sake of this invasion, it is not something we will oppose or pay special attention to. One want to keep a bit sane after all. ;)

So, I advice those who ask to try to think that we are taking all the ingrideants and throwing them into this great bowl of chuba stew that is our wonderful invasion.

Lets see what comes out of it once its ended and enjoy the ride, with its flaws, mean while.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom