Jedi order talk

[Sai Fel]

[member="Mantic Dorn"] but I am only a padawan not a knight. Still it is a welcome thing.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

[member="Sai Fel"]

Added ranks. The term "Knight of the Republic" is meant to be a joint title for all that are in the Republic jedi Order.

I just need to find someone that can make banners....

 

[Alyona Volkovna (Алёна)]

So, two questions -

1. I am wondering if there is an interest by the jedi still supporting the GR to form a stricter way of life in a (at least for starters) Manticfied order where no fun is allowed... at all.

2. A more practical question regarding the faction forum. If this happens, should it be a kept as a seperate forum to not overshadow the NFU focus that is pretty awesome in the GR or should we restore a sub-forum for jedi inside the GR one.

Any other thoughts on the topic?

Addressing that first question: I agree, yes. Pacifism should be our goal, with violence a last resort. This should be enforced in order to maintain the integrity of the Order.
I also feel hierarchy is important, but not world-endingly important.
Self-training should be encouraged, through the use of in-depth RP, emotionally-driven story writing, and character development.

I do not think we should be accepting of characters who have committed atrocities in the past, regardless of their affiliation. If you are a Grey Jedi that wants to operate within the Order that's fine, but we shouldn't take you if you've killed entire villages of people or committed murder. That was my biggest problem with the NJO and with Force Users on this site: The idea that you can flip flop whenever it suits your mood to one side or the other and always have acceptance.

I will never turn away a writer, but I would turn away a character in order to maintain the integrity of my own.

 

[Alyona Volkovna (Алёна)]

[member="Turin Val Kur"] TJO is going GA. Even though ICily, no one had a chance to respond to the events.

[member="Mantic Dorn"]

1. Certain archetypes are generally more appealing to play depending on the environment. I mean, your character is a Jedi Master after all. It's now a reality that FUs in the Republic can serve in just about any capacity in government, so I would like a training house for those folks who don't want to segregate themselves with the Jedi.

2. My first experience with the Jedi here ICIily was seeing the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order effectively derail a major military operation while colluding with a Sith Lord who was fighting Republic soldiers. Then that was followed by TJO jumping ship to the GA without ever giving the new Republic administration a chance to respond to the events of Roche. As I see it, the Jedi are not reliable. It's nice that you and a few other Jedi still support the Republic, but I view you all as an exception. ICIily, I can't see the government supporting the rise of another order after recent events. I agree with [member="Ella Nova"] that the best route to take is creating an enclave.

3. This is how it would work. Force Sensitives receive formal instruction on how to control their powers (and NFUs can come to learn how to counter FUs) in an institution structured like a magnet school. They then go on living their lives within the GR doing whatever. There would also be a military offshoot specializing in combat and surveillance techniques for FUs in the military. FU soldiers aren't given any special preference but are assigned according to their competency in general. So there could be special FU units and mixed units. Similar to how the Mandalorians seem to employ their FUs.

I see part of being a Jedi as accepting a certain lifestyle that puts them at odds with the rest of society. From what I've witnessed, I think it's fair to say that the Jedi loyalties fall with their own over everyone else, which is why I'm proposing a school to help promote cohesion between FUs and NFUs.

I'll finish working on my proposal, and present it ICily to the Senate.

Number 2 is actually a VERY good point that we should take into consideration.

And maybe we need to make a story arc of this. Something that covers how the desertion of the Jedi Order causes a reflexive response from the government that spurs the Senate to instate a government-run FU organization focused on the original tenets of the Jedi; peace-seeking, pacifism/non-violent intervention, etc. In this way, the government would be attempting to institute an FO organization that specifically serves the Republic and ensures their loyalty.

There's a lot we could do with that, and it could lead to whatever we decide we want the resultant Jedi Order to resemble.

We could add a militarized aspect to it, but I feel that goes against the tenets of the Jedi Code; knowledge and wisdom first, combat only in defense but never the focus of your life as a Jedi (I never agreed with the Consular, Watchmen, etc system).

 

[Alyona Volkovna (Алёна)]

[member="Mantic Dorn"] I'd actually love for the Jedi to become instructors at the civilian school at least, as long as they don't use the school as a recruiting center. Of course, I also want neutral Force users from non-jedi background the opportunity to teach there as well, like the Jensaarai or Darthomir Witches. Then people like myself, an independent type who doesn't follow any particular tradition. I don't know if there are any Shadows or Guardian types that remain in your bunch, but they would be a nice addition to have at the military school.

Maybe we should choose a standard model of educating perspective and then teach about the others in these institutions?

Sort of how Western culture instructs children in a certain manner natural to Western society, but still teaches about other cultures and their perspectives? I would be all for that, but think that if we try to use a wide variety of perspectives we'll fall short of characters to teach them, and then we're back to square one: Having non-native instructors simply teach about other schools of thought.

 

[Alyona Volkovna (Алёна)]

[member="Ella Nova"] No, I don't want the school to have anything with the Jedi, even as an Enclave/Jedi Academy. I only want Jedi present in a supervisory and policing role, helping to uphold the rules of the school, and Republic law. However, the school itself should be administered directly by Republic officials.

Again, this isn't a move to shut down the Jedi, but offer an alternative path for FUs in the GR. This is a direct response the Jedi Order abandoning the Republic as their home, following a least one other large schism. You talk about being afraid of being segregated, but it's you Jedi who segregate yourselves. That's cool if you want to remain part of a separate group working alongside the Republic, but I'm not about that life, and so I don't think FUs should be limited to the Jedi route. There's nothing wrong with options.

Basically: Government-run schools for FU's that use FU's as instructors. I like this idea, actually. I like the idea that you don't go to school to be a Jedi, you go to school to learn about history, culture, responsibilities, etc of being a Force User.

From there, you have a foundation in using/controlling your abilities that is augmented by a well-rounded education about being a Force User, and you can decide if you want to become a Jedi after that, or whatever.

I guess we shouldn't be training Jedi at all...but after a foundational education you can choose to become one and join the Order.

Sorry for all the posts, I'm adding my thoughts as I follow the conversation.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

[member="Alyona Volkovna"]

Hey hey,

Good to see you back on this character!

In short we got this boat floating a bit already. It boils down to the Jedi left in the republic is making a sort of amendment to the Republic as the order abandoned it in its time of greatest need.
The jedi therefore suports the newfu schools and teach at them and foremost acts as garants that the students dont turn to the dark side. But the government holds the strings far more then they used to in the old system.

 

[Dune Rhur]

[member="Mantic Dorn"] Given how increased Senate control worked out in the Clone Wars, I'm leery. Besides, in effect, isn't that essentially the GA?

 

[Mantic Dorn]

[member="Mantic Dorn"] Given how increased Senate control worked out in the Clone Wars, I'm leery. Besides, in effect, isn't that essentially the GA?

The order is serving the people of the Republic. If the government fails the people the order will not follow the government but keep trying to guide it back to the "light" and democracy again.
The fact that the Republic funds parts of the Order does not buy the jedi loyalty, that is a practical arrangement and understanding about how they function together in a mutual agreement. In return the jedi supervise the Republic Force Academy and function as a garant for that the force Academy stays in the light even though they dont train actual jedi.

Read the two first posts in this thread and things should get clearer

I dont know how the GA works. But did not the egg arrive before the hen did?