Kashyyk invasion- objective 2

[Kamon's OOC]

Now if they'd stop delaying C we could get some air support at A.

But yeah, it's not looking good, guys. The NPC zerg rush is winning this one.

 

[Gherron Dragovalor]

[member="Sochi Ru"], you mind if I help out with Praelior?

 

[Mother Askani]

I wouldn't mind it. but its better to ask first because she's been wanting a duel for sometime now

[member="Gherron Vael"]

 

[Gherron Dragovalor]

Okay, will do [member="Sochi Ru"]

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Sochi Ru"] | [member="Gherron Vael"]

I just threw a little curve ball at the Sith forces! It was something I had completely forgot the YVHs could do. Let us see what happens.

 

[The End Narrator]

To all THOSE at Objective B.

It sounds like Objective B is gone?

However, NPCs can't win objectives alone. Has to be PC involvement as with Manaan - Carach shutting off the Generator for example.

I haven't been able to really keep track of who has been destroying or doing what. This is why I don't like a flood of NPCs being used so much. Becoming sort've a grind against the story writing process.

Regardless, great job guys.

 

[Kira Talith]

To all THOSE at Objective B.

It sounds like Objective B is gone?

However, NPCs can't win objectives alone. Has to be PC involvement as with Manaan - Carach shutting off the Generator for example.

I haven't been able to really keep track of who has been destroying or doing what. This is why I don't like a flood of NPCs being used so much. Becoming sort've a grind against the story writing process.

Regardless, great job guys.

The NPC's have been used by PC's that are actually there to take the objectives.

I'm not sure where you are getting that no PC's have been used to take it down.

Ultimately, as long as the objectives are won and no prior statements have been said in the terms, it doesn't matter if it PC vs PC or PC with NPC vs PC with NPC.

Because ultimately, everything ends up being a writer vs another writer.

That's why we have the 24 hour rule since it is such a short invasion.

 

[The End Narrator]

The NPC's have been used by PC's that are actually there to take the objectives.

I'm not sure where you are getting that no PC's have been used to take it down.

Ultimately, as long as the objectives are won and no prior statements have been said in the terms, it doesn't matter if it PC vs PC or PC with NPC vs PC with NPC.

Because ultimately, everything ends up being a writer vs another writer.

That's why we have the 24 hour rule since it is such a short invasion.

Read the first line.

Second: I was also discussing this with others - there had been some confusion that NPCs were being used to flood/win objectives. I was clarifying that this isn't possible - regardless if a PC is CONTROLLING them or not. There was a discussion during the last Invasion during a report and this was brought up and clarified. I don't have the exact context to which it was put but I'd be glad to ask for clarification.

That's it. Nothing to be confused about, defensive about or anything of the sort.

 

[Kira Talith]

Curious. There is nothing in the invasion rules that say that.

Ultimately, unless the rules will be changing on Chaos on specifically what constitutes as a win regardless of the terms discussed by both faction admins prior to any invasion, we have to go by what chaos invasion rules state and by what the discussed terms have been proposed.

And so far, the only requirement to win the invasion is to get 2/3 objectives.

And how one wins those objectives is ultimately left to the writers based on engagements and the 24 hr time limit.

 

[The End Narrator]

Curious. There is nothing in the invasion rules that say that.

Ultimately, unless the rules will be changing on Chaos on specifically what constitutes as a win regardless of the terms discussed by both faction admins prior to any invasion, we have to go by what chaos invasion rules state and by what the discussed terms have been proposed.

And so far, the only requirement to win the invasion is to get 2/3 objectives.

And how one wins those objectives is ultimately left to the writers based on engagements and the 24 hr time limit.

Well the question is posted - So we'll get a better defined ruling on it regardless. It's not about Invasion rules so much as taking away from other aspects of the GAME. You seem to misunderstand me as usual. I don't care as long as people are happy and if you can't tell, some are not. That isn't the concern for myself though and I've pointed them in the right direction.

*salute* You have a good day now.

 

[Kira Talith]

Sounds cool!

 

[Avalore Eden]

There were no defined ...uh, rules, in the terms as far as how one wins an objective, whether it be through NPC use or direct PC interaction. It is something that can be looked into if it's causing enough of an issue.

I'm curious to see Tef's ruling on this if it was brought up as an issue in another invasion before.

 

[The End Narrator]

There were no defined ...uh, rules, in the terms as far as how one wins an objective, whether it be through NPC use or direct PC interaction. It is something that can be looked into if it's causing enough of an issue.

I'm curious to see Tef's ruling on this if it was brought up as an issue in another invasion before.

No, I backed out of it.

There isn't any point.

I asked for clarity nothing more.

 

[Avalore Eden]

Alright then.

Nevertheless, it's not a bad question to raise and is something that can be further defined in future invasion terms.

 

[The End Narrator]

Alright then.

Nevertheless, it's not a bad question to raise and is something that can be further defined in future invasion terms.

Apparently you guys discuss terms and conditions of NPC engagement, ect.

*shrugs*

I know it might be, others might believe so but it doesn't say anything in the rules and it wasn't discussed. Anything goes?

I just asked for clarity.

 

[Avalore Eden]

Well, according to how the terms were written out I suppose "anything goes" is really what we're looking at here.

I'm not familiar with the invasion that the issue was raised within before, so using NPC's to win an objective wasn't something I really thought of at the time. Most all invasions I've been a part of, personally, that used objectives to define a win was done with PC's while NPCs were background noise. Refining NPC use for objectives just wasn't something we thought of while discussing terms, as I guess we assumed it wouldn't be an issue?

Personally I'd prefer to see direct PC involvement in the objectives to win them, but seems that's not the case with this particular objective, currently. A bit late to go back and renegotiate terms, so at this point in time it is what it is. We'll keep this in mind moving forward, now that we have a good hold on just how big NPC use has become, and work on refining their use for the future.

 

[The End Narrator]

Well, according to how the terms were written out I suppose "anything goes" is really what we're looking at here.

I'm not familiar with the invasion that the issue was raised within before, so using NPC's to win an objective wasn't something I really thought of at the time. Most all invasions I've been a part of, personally, that used objectives to define a win was done with PC's while NPCs were background noise. Refining NPC use for objectives just wasn't something we thought of while discussing terms, as I guess we assumed it wouldn't be an issue?

Personally I'd prefer to see direct PC involvement in the objectives to win them, but seems that's not the case with this particular objective, currently. A bit late to go back and renegotiate terms, so at this point in time it is what it is. We'll keep this in mind moving forward, now that we have a good hold on just how big NPC use has become, and work on refining their use for the future.

No, I'm not faulting you by the terms and conditions but I'm saying going forward - apparently we need to look at the definition of NPC usage and scrutinize their specifics on objectives then.

Look at the feedback - alot of chatter about NPCs.

I agree with you, PC involvement directly outside of PVP engagement would be ideally the thing to see in regards to securing objectives, it's how it used to be before NPCs became a big thing and from what I understand that was only recently - We never really saw NPC action on Coruscant, Teta or even Carida.

I personally, do not care. It's just when it starts to get into the hundreds of thousands of NPCs standing between you, your objective or the person you are trying to engage then well it's not about story anymore - it's like "What is happening?" then you just give up all together.

Ya'll wanna have a Clone Wars, let's do it. Millions against Millions.

 

[Avalore Eden]

One PC vs PC Tournament Event Invasion, coming up!





Just kidding.

But it could be fun.

 

[The End Narrator]

One PC vs PC Tournament Event Invasion, coming up!





Just kidding.

But it could be fun.

Reminds me of Coruscant. :|

 

[Kiyron]

So I crash for a few days until the antibiotics kick in and the fort gets lost. Ah well. That happens in war.

I want millions versus millions. I really, really, do.