Mandalorians

[Eugen Aker]

As we have a new administration in place, can we look into making nice with the Mandalorians? We have still the Sith at our doorsteps, and now are reeling from internal conflicts. ICily, systems are beginning to break off and engage in dealings amongst themselves and between other factions.

Now, I've gathered that the Mandalorians aren't necessarily doing so hot themselves these days, and haven't fared much better against the Sith than we have. Continuing our tussles leaves us both vulnerable to the Sith. While we may have pissed them off recently, we still offer a nice buffer. We seem to share a lot of friendly ties too, it would be a shame to see that all be destroyed by some poor brinkmanship.

Anyway, if I'm missing something here, then please let me know. I'm playing this completely IC btw. I don't harbor any ill will toward anyone OOCily. I actually find the current situation with the Republic pretty fun from a roleplay standpoint. Something to fix up.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

I believe [member="Faith Balor-Organa"] is currently negotiating with the Mandalorians. If it goes well let's see what we can do about brokering a longer-term cease-fire and look towards some mutual support.

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

Reading the most recent thread with Faith and the Mandos...I'm not sure she has the Republic's interest at heart, ICly.

OOCly, this is a fantastically developing story.

 

[Eugen Aker]

[member="Khyros Sunblade"] Lol nope. We need to set up a sit down involving more neutral characters.

This does make for a fun bit of drama though.

 

[Faith Organa]

Faith right now is protecting Alderaan at the request of her sister the Crown Princess.

She is still performing her duties to the Republic as Senator, and minister of intelligence. One must bear in mind that Faith's family has ties to the mandalorians, and has to follow the direction of the leadership of her planet.

It is a conflict within her self, that must be resolved. and yes as her writer I welcome anyone who wants to talk to Faith about what is happening

Faith's character just happens to be fortunate enough to have PC leadership over the planet she represents to provide all this intrigue.

[member="Suravi"] [member="Khyros Sunblade"] [member="Jack Sparrow"]

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

[member="Faith Balor-Organa"]

I just want to clarify that OOCly I am loving the story as it is unfolding. Please do not take actions, thoughts, or words of Khyros to be a reflection of what I (the writer) feel about the plot.

 

[Faith Organa]

[member="Khyros Sunblade"] - You should visit Alpha Mae, we are inviting Senators from everywhere, you can speak with Faith there as well.

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

[member="Faith Balor-Organa"]

Sounds like fun, link me or @Mention me!

 

[Eugen Aker]

[member="Faith Balor-Organa"] I totally understand, I'm approaching the situation from a character standpoint. As a writer, I'm loving the drama. <3

What's going on with Alpha Mae?

 

[Kay-Larr]

I miss the Senate already

 

[Martika Varta]

I've just got this Senator character up and running, but seeing as how Ali is unable to operate within the Republic government ICly atm, I want to find a good place for Varta to be involved. The Mando issue might be a good place for that due to being the hottest topic right now!

[member=Faith Balor-Organa]

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

Back to the basis of the OP, Khyros is all for making peace with the Mandalorians. It is the best way to keep the Republic standing.

 

[Martika Varta]

Can we, though, considering the IC demands they've listed? They're incredibly extreme. I would never expect a government to bow to such demands. It leaves two options: Give them the keys to our government, or make them fight for them.

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

From Khyros's perspective, the Republic can acquiesce to at least giving Ali Hadrix over to them, or, if not that, remove her from her positions and hold her accountable in a Republic court.

Allowing systems to secede is more problematic, though as the systems in question have IC rulers that conveniently want to secede (though this seems to be a habit of Alderaan having looked through the Archives), it makes it doubly more problematic to hold them. I doubt a government like the Republic would let them just go to the Mandalorians, particularly Alderaan as ICly there is no way that they'd be able to maintain a supply line to it. I think Khyros would suggest to ignore that part for now, and work up the Republic defense around the systems, as the governments won't "allow" Republic assets in the systems.

As for the final demand...the term Defensive could be taken as broadly or as narrowly as either side wants. Leaving all of our "Republic Defense Forces" in there could be considered defensive, or they could say they only want defensive installations in there...it's a slippery slope. Khyros would likely move for a stronger stance against that one. The Mandalorians are being attacked by a rogue group within the, just as the Sith are. ICly, they wouldn't have the forces to be able to pursue a campaign against the Republic, realistically. Khyros would likely suggest that we tell them that the defenses of Republic systems is for the Republic to decide.

Then, we need to get on developing defenses in our system, getting our military people active again and things along those lines.

 

[Faith Organa]

What are the terms they offered? ,,

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

[member="Faith Balor-Organa"]

I am going off of this.

The Suspected War Criminal Known as Ali Hadrix face a non-Republic Tribunal along with her co-conspirators. Hadrix and her command staff to be removed from any and all authoritative positions pending the outcome of the tribunal. A Binding Pledge that the Republic will not interfere with armed force if its member worlds choose to secede. Removal of all non-defensive forces in the regions adjacent to Roche.

 

[Faith Organa]

That I am sure is only one portion of the items [member="Ember Rekali"] offered a the summit.

 

[Martika Varta]

This is where the story loses me. As I designed Ali's part in the story, there isn't much to punish her for, due to her lack of presence (I created other characters for that) and involvement. I get the whole "You're the leader, you take the fall," but extradition is a horrendous leap to make from there.

If we want to maintain the IC integrity of the Republic, I think our best course of action is to refuse their terms outright. We can offer terms in exchange that include a non-Republic trial of the Verpine characters I created for the battle (considering those characters are from a joint Verpine-Mandalorian population, not just Republic).

Honestly, those are the only terms any government would realistically offer. They might still throw a military leader under the bus and force them to retire, but they'd never turn that individual over to a foreign court even if direct involvement was provable through primary investigation, which it would not be in this case.

To be honest, war is a part of being a major faction. I think OOC we should embrace that and make the best of it rather than skewer our IC reality to suit a storyline of peace that has a low probability of happening.

I understand that peace is a big deal for a faction like ours, but the IC reality is they invaded one of our worlds and are now inciting other worlds to leave our government on top of making incredibly extreme demands.

The only logical answer is to stand against them, and if they want to come to us, let them come.

"...getting our military people active again and things along those lines."

Ali IS a major part of our military people. If you're wanting to prepare for war, you ought to fight to keep her.

(Of course, I'm speaking subjectively here, as the character's writer. lol)

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

Eh.

Ali incited the conflict that others were going to try to settle. I can understand that Chaos thrives on warfare, but that is not the entirety of the story. IC actions have IC consequences and the fact that Ali knowingly insulted them when she had no naval assets in the system to defend Roche means that the blood is on her hands.

Did you as a writer get screwed for writing the orders to her subordinates, yes. I will willing say that "civilians getting spaced" was done by the writers of other characters, not yours. They took a nugget that you provided and ran with it. That said, in an IC court of law all Ali would be able to get is a plea bargain.

Do I think that the Republic would really deliver Ali to the Mando's? No. I think a third party court should handle it, and I thought one was going to be made, but I have seen nothing about it for a while now. Do I think Ali should stand trial? Yes. She acted within her position to parlay with the Mandalorians, but did not portray herself in the way of a high ranking officer. That said, I am a bit biased as well, as I am the writer of the character that originated the charges of dereliction of duty in the face of an enemy.

 

[Eugen Aker]

Despite the mistakes Hadrix made, it would make the Republic look weak tossing her under a bus. In the grand scheme of things, the specific incident with the hangar wasn't even that bad, and it wasn't as if Hadrix acted with malicious intent to purposely kill civilians. It's a clear case of unintentional collateral damage. It would have been much safer for those civilians to remain bunkered up instead of being ferried out in the middle of an active combat zone anyway. Poor judgment on the Mandalorians' end. As a matter of fact, if I recall, there were Mandalorians making threats to mess with the life support systems of the whole station.

The Mandalorians completely instigated the battle by overreacting sending a fleet into Republic territory, instead of acting civilized and sending a proper delegation to address their grievances. All assets that were seized by Lasedri were eturned to their respective owners, and full reparations were even offered on top of that. Still, the Mandalorians ignored all our efforts to fix things so they could have at it with their usual warmongering.

I may not be crazy about the whole privateer thing, but I will never capitulate to the Mandalorians over these unreasonable demands, when they are the ones that instigated the entire incident in the first place. They had no justification for being at Roche, and they are at least just as responsible for any loss of civilian life. As a concession, we sack Hadrix, but there will be no tribunal.

On the topic of succession, the Republic must continue to let systems leave peacefully. We'll look as bad as Lasedri trying to forcibly keep systems within the Republic. We'll only prove to those systems that they are completely justified in leaving if we continue to act like despots. If we want to keep things together and win back lost systems, then we get our act together and uphold our values. It would also help to win some military engagements.

Just no withdrawing forces from the region. Crazy talk.

[member="Faith Balor-Organa"] should try to talk down the Mandalorians into making some more reasonable demands. Hadrix should go, and we'll respect the sovereignty of individual systems. They can go, but they'll be cut off from receiving any aid from the Republic. We'll still pay them repatriations for Mandalorian assets illegally seized. That's it though.

[member="Khyros Sunblade"] [member="Geral Varta"]