Mandalorians

[Captain Larraq]

Mandalorians.

Warning those individuals encroaching in force what will happen if they continue their transgression is standard operating procedure. They get one fair chance, and when they brush you off, you take action. Are you not realizing that at the time this happened there was a literal war fleet parked outside? Or that Mandalorian forces had already entered the station, and had begun cutting power to reactors and manipulating the station from within? Do you honestly have no idea what was happening at the time Ali tried to reach out and the Mando leaders ignored her?

Mind you, this is before Ali even reached out and warned them to leave.

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/77102-capitalist-with-a-gun-mandalorian-invasion-of-roche-mando-vs-republic/?p=1137839

"It is for that reason that the Mandalorian Clans have come. We will annex this system into our protection before the Republic has the opportunity to bring the Verpine people under heel."

You either sue for peace and let a warring culture decide your fate, or you buck up, give them a single warning, and when that fails, you go for the throat.

"Did you ever assist Lasedri in at any time during her coup attempt?"

It's in my last post here: No. Not even OOC was I in the loop.

Story:
The Republic was informed by a loyalist. The fleets are already in place, comms have been hailed and the tension reached its climax ten minutes ago. Ships are being sent in, some have already (just about) landed in a few bases such as Nickel One and 'The Hub.' While this may seem implausible, this is also mainly implemented for the sake of having a convenient way for the Ground Forces to actually be able to write something from the get-go.

Mandalorians and Republic personnel start battling both inside and outside of the asteroid belt and not long after that it became obvious that [victor] has enough troops to make the final push. They do just that and they win the day.

Draco jumped the gun on that one, as I hadn't even issued the order for dropships to be deployed at that time. The reason fleeting and ground combat is typically separated (among other reasons) is because the two typically operate on different time scales. Had you allowed the fleeting commanders and starfighter pilots to do their thing and focused on doing your job (aka, defending the station from boarding parties), the two timescales would not have gotten as twisted as they did.

IC, the timescale was suppose to be that Larraq approached, spoke with the defending forces, and then ordered dropships to launch and approach the station. THAT was going to be my IC introduction and the IC introduction for the Mandalorian forces. After that, then Draco and friends could do their thing and spawn on the station for some fun and pewpew.

You screwed that up by being the only person to try and interact with both the naval engagement and the ground forces. So, IC, as far as I am concerned, that one's still on you. You jacked up the timescale of when various things were happening by stepping on Gir and Reshmar's toes and doing what should have come from them. Also, as far as I'm aware, Gir and Reshmar's entire plan for defending Nickel One (and maintaining the political and moral advantage) was to start their forces outside of the system (including a ground army) and to swoop in and be seen as saving the day from a Mandalorian attack instead of being viewed as imperialistic assholes. Which... again. You screwed up. IC, the Republic had a number of options that they could of taken which would have resolved the political situation at Roche. Not only did you prevent them from doing as much, but you stirred the pot and caused even more aggression.

"The Republic is turning into an Imperial faction and using military force to control worlds. Just look at Manaan! And now they're after corporate assets! Quick! We must take action."

*Mandalorians show up and find a fortified Republic Military on Nickel One*

"Oh look... the Republic already has an up-armed military at Roche. Those bastards! I knew it!"

"kark off Mandalorians, we'll kick your ass if you come any closer. Because we're better than you."






"... Kill them all."


*Ali gets court marshaled for pissing off the Mandalorians, provoking further hostile actions from an enemy that could have been negotiated with, and giving orders that were questionable and caused the avoidable death of numerous civilians*


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When it could just have easily have gone like this...

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"The Republic is turning into an Imperial faction and using military force to control worlds. Just look at Manaan! And now they're after corporate assets! Quick! We must take action."

"Oh hey look... there's nobody here."

*Republic Navy shows up*

"Mandalorians... why are you invading Roche?"


"Um... Because you guys are being jerks? We're here to protect the Verpine from you."


"Uuuuuuh. Ok. Tell you what. We know you guys aren't going to go around shooting civilians. So how about we just take our fleet somewhere else, you guys can 'protect the Verpine' all you want, and we can go somewhere else and talk about this like adults... how's that sound?"



"kark."

*Larraq looks like an idiot in front of the clans and gets his ass kicked by his sister*

 

[Kamon's OOC]

I'd have paid to watch that last bit.
[member="Captain Larraq"]

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

Laying the blame at Ali's feet is scape goating and you know it.

On both the Mandalorian side and the Republic side there should have been better communication on timing. Albeit only a minor issue on the Mando side that could have been cleared up with a sentence stating *After the dropships had been deployed...* by the ground forces in general.

Also, the extreme lack of naval presence does defeat your assertion that the Republic indeed was being imperialistic and up-armed. No amount of blasters inside of a rock will hurt naval grade battle-steel, nor naval grade shields.

The only ships that were in the system when you arrived were GA ships there for commerce protection of an Alliance convoy and the privateer ships of Justice that spawned from an asteroid that was owned by Justice.

Not trying to say that the whole thing should get retconned, just trying to stop the posturing and bullying that's going on in here.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

How is this thread still a thing, but no IC Senate thread?

[member="Lady Kay"] Could you please for the love of all that is holy Lock and Archive this. Its going in circles at this point.

:wub:

 

[Kamon's OOC]

[member="Darth Vulkan"]
They all have pockets full of posies.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Janira Fenni"]

Not You specifically

 

[Captain Larraq]

[member="Khyros Sunblade"]

Also, the extreme lack of naval presence does defeat your assertion that the Republic indeed was being imperialistic and up-armed. No amount of blasters inside of a rock will hurt naval grade battle-steel, nor naval grade shields.

The only ships that were in the system when you arrived were GA ships there for commerce protection of an Alliance convoy and the privateer ships of Justice that spawned from an asteroid that was owned by Justice.

Not trying to say that the whole thing should get retconned, just trying to stop the posturing and bullying that's going on in here.

You never read Ali's original, unedited post, did you?

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/76703-invasion-of-roche-ooc-gr-vs-mandos/?p=1137563

Even after the edits, Ali made it clear that she was establishing a very fortified Roche with numerous defensive turrets on various asteroids and a highly mobilized ground force. I tried to convince her to cut it back, but she absolutely insisted that the Republic would have heavy defenses at Roche and that "I'm not making any changes. This is in bad taste and I'm not letting this set the tone for the invasion."

To clarify, here's a bit of the back and forth we had via PM.

Larraq

If you are engaging in two writers in PVP, why are you also controlling a sizable portion of the Republic defensive fleet and writing in numerous defenses around the system?

Ali

I'm not. They are included to help set the scene. Only the people writing fleets, like Gir Quee, matter when they're talking about fleet forces. I'm the Supreme Commander of the whole GR military; it'd be weird if I were engaging in 1 v 1 without a single mention of the rest of our forces. You are over analysing this, I have confirmed with you several times now that I am not intending to use these mentions to sway our fights. You are free to not factor any attacks from my mentions in your assessments, as they are for atmosphere and affect only.

Larraq

They effect the story, which is what matters. You post set things in motion and set the pace for the engagement. You forced the Republic naval writers (or at least some of them) into being split up and hiding behind asteroids and you forced Larraq's hand IC before the "actual" Republic naval commanders had a chance to arrive or attempt negotiations.

They don't just stop being there because you are choosing to ignore them. We had originally discussed having "background fleets" of ships fighting in the distance that could be ignored, such as what you claim to be attempting here. But that was discarded in favor of a set 20,000 meter limit per side.

So either the ships and defenses are there and the Republic team must work around the conditions you set for them, or they are not there and should not be included in your post.

Ali

Look mate, I haven't heard a single complaint from my folks. I'm here to write a battle and I'm not about to let nit-picky stuff waste my time. I'm not a cheater, and you'll just have to take my word on it. Screencap this convo and send it to an RPJ if I end up turning coat on you.

Cheers and best wishes.

Ali

My guys did clear up the issue with me on our side, so I altered the post to reflect that they would bearriving soon, rather than already being here.

Followed by the relevant section of her modified post...

Ali stood with the Verpine government leadership with Nickel One, waiting for the Mandalorian fleet to make their approach. If the Mando'ade insisted on hostilities, Ali's fleets would be arriving just in time, and their armies had taken up defensive residence within the tunnels and hallways of Nickel One. The station's own defenses were prepared for use if necessary. Ali hoped it wasn't. Along the surface of many asteroids, including Nickel One, anti-aircraft turrets, artillery cannons for attacking warships, and even Republic MAT-TE walkers were clustered in the vacuum of space, awaiting the possibility of conflict. All was silent, all were hidden. For now.

And my response.

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/76703-invasion-of-roche-ooc-gr-vs-mandos/?p=1138087





So... I get where you're coming from... But it was made very clear that the way in which Ali was establishing the Republic at Roche would A- be because the Republic really did fortify the Roche System, and B- be perceived as a confirmation of hostile intent by the Republic Military against the Verpine People and the corporations at Roche.


Also... Blasters and soldiers are one thing. Point defense, anti-capital ship defensive guns, and MAT-TE's positioned to ambush hostile ships are an entirely separate matter.



So... I can understand why you would feel that there is some scapegoating going on here...

But the blame really IS at Ali's feet.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Janira Fenni"] a tissue a tissue we all fall down

 

[Laira Darkhold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZQOrBR9fEA

 

[Kamon's OOC]

[member="Janira Fenni"] a tissue a tissue we all fall down

It's actually "ashes, ashes, we all fall down" here in the US.

 

[Captain Larraq]

It's actually "ashes, ashes, we all fall down" here in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o%27_Roses

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Janira Fenni"]

Yar, and she be british.

That said,

 

[Jaccer Ramirez]

I will not stand for this injustice.​

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[Ali Hadrix]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

The problem with your assessment is the way I wrote things was the way I was briefed.

I was told, and it is written in the invasion terms, that Republic forces would be starting off IN-SYSTEM.

Days later, Republic fleeters told me "We'll be there in a minute bruh!"

Your whole "The Republic looks like an invader by showing up first" argument is inaccurate considering I covered our military being tipped off in my post.

As I recall, you asked that we justify our presence, so I did, and in a way that showed the Republic to be responding to a credible threat. And it stands to reason that an at-ready mobile ground force could prep itself and arrive in system before the rest of a battle fleet.
As I wrote it, we arrive barely hours before you. If there were problems that you saw coming, you could have brought it up with me. But instead, I get the impression you saw us OOC as enemies as much as IC, so that cooperation was withheld, and I can understand the response. But no one was trying to screw you.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if we showed up before you or after you: You're invaders, that is clear. You don't have rights to moral high ground.

 

[sabrina]

I will not stand for this injustice.​

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Consider this thread​

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Better lock it then

 

[The End Narrator]

 

[Captain Larraq]

Your whole "The Republic looks like an invader by showing up first" argument is inaccurate considering I covered our military being tipped off in my post.

Here's the problem with that.

You know you were tipped off IC. You know that you only showed up to defend the system because you were notified IC that the invasion was coming.

IC, at no point did you attempt to notify the Mandalorians that you were only there because you knew that they were coming. So nothing was done to prevent the Mandalorians from assuming that the Republic Military was in the system to enforce Martial Law on the Verpine. And at this point, if anyone tried to relay those facts to the Mandalorians, they would be dismissed as fabrications.

You don't have rights to moral high ground.

I demand nothing. IC, Larraq's perception of events (and your actions) shows that he is in the right. To the Mandalorian Clans and the Alor Council, the events that have unfolded and the witness testimony of no less than two members of the Alor Council (Ember Rekali and Draco Vereen) show that Larraq was, more or less, right in regards to what was happening in the Republic and what they feared was going to happen to the Verpine people at Roche, as well as to their own assets, people, and interests in the system.


It's not that I have the high ground. It's that you fell off the hill entirely.

 

[The End Narrator]

Alright guys. Seriously enough.

This isn't a win-win situation. As much as it has been fun toying around. People are going to believe they're in the right regardless.

Just let it be for now and do what you have to do in character. Beyond that, reputations will be effected for those who choose to take actions otherwise.

Leave it alone.

 

[Khyros Sunblade]

Here's the problem with that.

You know you were tipped off IC. You know that you only showed up to defend the system because you were notified IC that the invasion was coming.

IC, at no point did you attempt to notify the Mandalorians that you were only there because you knew that they were coming. So nothing was done to prevent the Mandalorians from assuming that the Republic Military was in the system to enforce Martial Law on the Verpine. And at this point, if anyone tried to relay those facts to the Mandalorians, they would be dismissed as fabrications.

To be entirely fair, even if you had contacted the Mandalorians living on Roche and asked them, you wouldn't have believed it when they said there was no martial law.

This is down to semantics, the Mandos were the aggressors and they assumed the Republic were aggressing as well. Faux pas's were made on both sides and that led to a massive CF IC.

At this point, I am considering this thread to be merely to vent spleens and joke around while we wait for IC actions. (On which point I want to point out that we all have OOC lives, and by reading this stuff and writing this post I am literally procrastinating my school work...but that is my problem).

I leave you with this...

 

[Kay-Larr]

Sorry [member="Darth Vulkan"] But I don't have the powers to lock it. All it does is let me reply.