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Khyros Sunblade
Minister of Justice
[member="Miss Blonde"] [member="Ali Hadrix"]
The problem being with the whole "the die hath been cast" is the fact that many of our political characters wouldn't react in the way of "Oh well, looks like we're in a war."
So, yes. Our characters are going to try to find a diplomatic way out of it.
[member="Popo"]
Sports references, while not alien to me, don't jive with the situation with me.
In my mind it'd be more like if Guam (an American Protectorate) got invaded by Japan (a culture with a strong warrior background with economic ties all over the Pacific), then a Japanese-American Admiral/General lipped off to them about how much more disciplined and trained the American servicemen were and the Japanese general on location declared total war on America. Then, a Senator from a state far away from the area, lets say Maryland, contacts the Japanese and invites their ground forces, air forces, and navy to protect them.
In my read, the American Admiral/General would be relieved of duty and replaced, then placed on trial within America for dereliction of duty and endangering American lives. Not war crimes. Also in my read, the state of Maryland would likely get ROFLstomped by nationalized Guard units, the Senator would be held on trial for Treason and a new Senator would be elected.
***This is just to put it into a socio-political perspective and is not to say that American military personnel or Senators would act in this way, nor that the Japanese would attack Guam, nor that the Japanese would be as sensitive as the Mandalorians are being. This is only an example.***
That said, as this is a game, the Republic likely won't react in what would be a realistic way in regards to Alderaan and Eshan. However, I do believe that we could react in the realistic way in regards to Ali. I hold no ill will towards her writer, but she should no longer be Supreme Commander.
The Mandalorians, who are realistically only embodied by the persons of Draco Vereen, Captain Larraq, and Olivia Dem'adas at the moment, should be afforded the opportunity to provide their grievances to the Republic, as there is no equivalent to the World Court here on Chaos. They should also be told to go home in regards to Alderaan, as there is no realistic way they can support what amounts to an invasion force on the opposite side of Republic space from them.
The problem being with the whole "the die hath been cast" is the fact that many of our political characters wouldn't react in the way of "Oh well, looks like we're in a war."
So, yes. Our characters are going to try to find a diplomatic way out of it.
[member="Popo"]
Sports references, while not alien to me, don't jive with the situation with me.
In my mind it'd be more like if Guam (an American Protectorate) got invaded by Japan (a culture with a strong warrior background with economic ties all over the Pacific), then a Japanese-American Admiral/General lipped off to them about how much more disciplined and trained the American servicemen were and the Japanese general on location declared total war on America. Then, a Senator from a state far away from the area, lets say Maryland, contacts the Japanese and invites their ground forces, air forces, and navy to protect them.
In my read, the American Admiral/General would be relieved of duty and replaced, then placed on trial within America for dereliction of duty and endangering American lives. Not war crimes. Also in my read, the state of Maryland would likely get ROFLstomped by nationalized Guard units, the Senator would be held on trial for Treason and a new Senator would be elected.
***This is just to put it into a socio-political perspective and is not to say that American military personnel or Senators would act in this way, nor that the Japanese would attack Guam, nor that the Japanese would be as sensitive as the Mandalorians are being. This is only an example.***
That said, as this is a game, the Republic likely won't react in what would be a realistic way in regards to Alderaan and Eshan. However, I do believe that we could react in the realistic way in regards to Ali. I hold no ill will towards her writer, but she should no longer be Supreme Commander.
The Mandalorians, who are realistically only embodied by the persons of Draco Vereen, Captain Larraq, and Olivia Dem'adas at the moment, should be afforded the opportunity to provide their grievances to the Republic, as there is no equivalent to the World Court here on Chaos. They should also be told to go home in regards to Alderaan, as there is no realistic way they can support what amounts to an invasion force on the opposite side of Republic space from them.
Miss Blonde
Trying to be straight in a crooked Galaxy
[member="Khyros Sunblade"] THE DIE HAS SPOKEN!!
Popo
I'm Sexy and I Know It
... Man, there are a lot of Giants fans.
Khyros Sunblade
Minister of Justice
[member="sabrina"]
That is according to rules set up by the board to facilitate actions.
Realistically, an invasion force would have to fight through Republic space to reach Alderaan from the Mandalorian side. That is what I was saying.
Yes, I know that the board doesn't require logistical realities. However, Khyros isn't Deadpool, he doesn't know he is fake, and so he has to judge the thing from his perspective of actually living in that galaxy. Therefore, his position is that the Mandalorian force in Alderaan is illogically placed due to a lack of possible support from the Clans.
That being said, I've seen very little activity from Republic military characters. The Senate characters are the most active at the moment, and the Jedi are gone, so I am just doing my best to help the Republic survive. It's what I do.
That is according to rules set up by the board to facilitate actions.
Realistically, an invasion force would have to fight through Republic space to reach Alderaan from the Mandalorian side. That is what I was saying.
Yes, I know that the board doesn't require logistical realities. However, Khyros isn't Deadpool, he doesn't know he is fake, and so he has to judge the thing from his perspective of actually living in that galaxy. Therefore, his position is that the Mandalorian force in Alderaan is illogically placed due to a lack of possible support from the Clans.
That being said, I've seen very little activity from Republic military characters. The Senate characters are the most active at the moment, and the Jedi are gone, so I am just doing my best to help the Republic survive. It's what I do.
Laira Darkhold
Well-Known Member
[member="Khyros Sunblade"]
Or you know, know some one in OS space and cut through that little bitty arm...
But there isn't anyone who could arrange for that.
Or you know, know some one in OS space and cut through that little bitty arm...
But there isn't anyone who could arrange for that.
sabrina
Well-Known Member
[member="Khyros Sunblade"] not really as this is not star trek but star wars. In star trek yes they would, as the ship would be intercepted as it crossed at warp speed. This uses hyperspace, and that was why the cis in episode 3 could attack coruscant, even without owning any of near by systems. All they need is fuel for the jump, and then they could attack in an invasion. In this case the noble house organa, would then be supporting them. House thul (ME) will play along on the grounds it may help keep the one sith away. (which is her only priority)
I am not sure what other houses of alderaan would do, I can only speak for mine, and the actions of organa.
[member="Khyros Sunblade"]
Edit The Republic will survive, even if it has to run away as refugees and set up again in another area of space.
Why as you have a brand new players will always be drawn to.
The issue you have is you have only senators, no pvp players you need them, and set up a boot camp for them to learn.
Also you could resolve this issue on ooc to ic leave, making a rue only people with active writers who appear in invasions get to play senators. This may help you long term, as issue you had when I was OS player was we turn up, and despite being few of us who where active players. We still out numbered you, in the field of battle. Also similar things happens at roche, you where out numbered.
So to hep the republic to survive this would be my solutions (no you don't have to do this, it is what I would do)
All senator players, must have some one to help in an invasion. (I doubt that would be popular)
Recruit minor factions into your fold, so they are members during an invasion. (more numbers)
Hire mercenary companies, to join the faction as a base of operations (more pvp players)
Also rebuild The Republic Jedi Order, and find out why people left to go to other Jedi groups.
No matter how much that hurts, as if it's the truth, then see what you can do to repair it.
If need be ready to begin else where in the galaxy, as it is a big empty space.
I am not sure what other houses of alderaan would do, I can only speak for mine, and the actions of organa.
[member="Khyros Sunblade"]
Edit The Republic will survive, even if it has to run away as refugees and set up again in another area of space.
Why as you have a brand new players will always be drawn to.
The issue you have is you have only senators, no pvp players you need them, and set up a boot camp for them to learn.
Also you could resolve this issue on ooc to ic leave, making a rue only people with active writers who appear in invasions get to play senators. This may help you long term, as issue you had when I was OS player was we turn up, and despite being few of us who where active players. We still out numbered you, in the field of battle. Also similar things happens at roche, you where out numbered.
So to hep the republic to survive this would be my solutions (no you don't have to do this, it is what I would do)
All senator players, must have some one to help in an invasion. (I doubt that would be popular)
Recruit minor factions into your fold, so they are members during an invasion. (more numbers)
Hire mercenary companies, to join the faction as a base of operations (more pvp players)
Also rebuild The Republic Jedi Order, and find out why people left to go to other Jedi groups.
No matter how much that hurts, as if it's the truth, then see what you can do to repair it.
If need be ready to begin else where in the galaxy, as it is a big empty space.
Khyros Sunblade
Minister of Justice
[member="sabrina"]
Except that there are ways to pull ships out of hyperspace. A logically defended state would employ mass shadow generators much like mine fields, leaving no direct line from one point to another.
That also said, the reason that there are hyper routes is because hyperspace is generally unmapped, and a point to point hop not along such a route is exponentially more dangerous the farther you go. Such a fact would likely necessitate drops from hyperspace. Even something as scientifically loose as Star Wars has this much.
[member="Darth Vulkan"]
Yes, you could do that, but how much of the Mando'ade would support you if you were to go that route? The One Sith aren't on good terms with Mandalore last I checked.
Except that there are ways to pull ships out of hyperspace. A logically defended state would employ mass shadow generators much like mine fields, leaving no direct line from one point to another.
That also said, the reason that there are hyper routes is because hyperspace is generally unmapped, and a point to point hop not along such a route is exponentially more dangerous the farther you go. Such a fact would likely necessitate drops from hyperspace. Even something as scientifically loose as Star Wars has this much.
[member="Darth Vulkan"]
Yes, you could do that, but how much of the Mando'ade would support you if you were to go that route? The One Sith aren't on good terms with Mandalore last I checked.
Jack Sparrow
Captain
My decision as Supreme Chancellor would be to turn [member="Ali Hadrix"] over to the Mandalorians, but that will only work if the writer agrees.
Ali Hadrix
Bad Boss
Which she absolutely does not.
That election bruh, rough on the voters. Lol
That election bruh, rough on the voters. Lol
Khyros Sunblade
Minister of Justice
[member="Ali Hadrix"]
Then lets go at this from another direction. As Ali's writer, what would you like to see and what would you be willing to go along with?
Then lets go at this from another direction. As Ali's writer, what would you like to see and what would you be willing to go along with?
Ali Hadrix
Bad Boss
The removal from post works well. It's not too extreme, but it's something we see happen IRL whether politically driven or justified.
And Ali can continue helping the GR on the sly via the humanitarian military force she started on the side through GRIM.
The great thing about being a spy is you're hard to find, so losing the position doesn't mean Ali can't so participate with the Republic.
I'm working on a thread with [member=Keira Ticon], it's not Ali's right but she asks Keira to take her place. If the writer is willing, she makes IC sense for the position.
And Ali can continue helping the GR on the sly via the humanitarian military force she started on the side through GRIM.
The great thing about being a spy is you're hard to find, so losing the position doesn't mean Ali can't so participate with the Republic.
I'm working on a thread with [member=Keira Ticon], it's not Ali's right but she asks Keira to take her place. If the writer is willing, she makes IC sense for the position.
The End Narrator
Narrator
You wanna talk Alderaan?
Come talk to me.
This is a bit beyond Ali Hadrix and her antics. Also we shall consider I have multiple characters involved in this debacle. That being said - I've skimmed through this entire thread and well it seems like alot of QQ and some claim to have burned through the Archives and read about Alderaan when alot of the threads were deleted/purged.
Faith is doing her duty, she is keeping what status quo she can. Alyesa is the one who has made the deals and amassed a military presence of her own on Alderaan outside the Republic control.
Simply put, I don't trust some writers within the Republic. They've proven that. In addition, this was a great story to throw out there and to be frank it's been a long time coming. Alderaan has been ignored and denied for so long when requesting things, by Faith or myself. I think the characters have had enough.
Anyways, come talk to me on Skype or Discord if I'm on it.
Best to reach me on Skype.
Come talk to me.
This is a bit beyond Ali Hadrix and her antics. Also we shall consider I have multiple characters involved in this debacle. That being said - I've skimmed through this entire thread and well it seems like alot of QQ and some claim to have burned through the Archives and read about Alderaan when alot of the threads were deleted/purged.
Faith is doing her duty, she is keeping what status quo she can. Alyesa is the one who has made the deals and amassed a military presence of her own on Alderaan outside the Republic control.
Simply put, I don't trust some writers within the Republic. They've proven that. In addition, this was a great story to throw out there and to be frank it's been a long time coming. Alderaan has been ignored and denied for so long when requesting things, by Faith or myself. I think the characters have had enough.
Anyways, come talk to me on Skype or Discord if I'm on it.
Best to reach me on Skype.
The Widow
[member="Ali Hadrix"]
Are you serious?
The woman who was working alongside the Prime Minister as her "Darth Vader"
Who over saw the executions of POW's?
Who was part of the whole... coup?
really??
The one who is likely to have to STILL face the Senate for the crimes she did?
Are you serious?
The woman who was working alongside the Prime Minister as her "Darth Vader"
Who over saw the executions of POW's?
Who was part of the whole... coup?
really??
The one who is likely to have to STILL face the Senate for the crimes she did?
Taeli Raaf
Bookworm
[member="Alyesa Organa"]
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/53600-restoration-act/
There was this a short time ago that I proposed with my inactive Senator, but the thread got a touch sidetracked.
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/53600-restoration-act/
There was this a short time ago that I proposed with my inactive Senator, but the thread got a touch sidetracked.
Laira Darkhold
Well-Known Member
[member="Jack Sparrow"]
We asked for a Neutral Tribunal, preferably the SSC to host and conduct. And no, you don't need the Writer's permission to hold a trial. So long as the Republic enforces the verdict of that Tribunal, that would work for that part of the peace term.
Not having a trial because Ali's writer doesn't agree is good and all OOC, sure. But ICly, you are saying no to the terms if you do that.
As for who takes over, that's yall's monkey.
We asked for a Neutral Tribunal, preferably the SSC to host and conduct. And no, you don't need the Writer's permission to hold a trial. So long as the Republic enforces the verdict of that Tribunal, that would work for that part of the peace term.
Not having a trial because Ali's writer doesn't agree is good and all OOC, sure. But ICly, you are saying no to the terms if you do that.
As for who takes over, that's yall's monkey.
Khyros Sunblade
Minister of Justice
[member="Ali Hadrix"]
Yeah, that's not going to get confirmed. No offense to Keira's author, but that is not going to happen, and it makes no sense. She was at the center of the Lasedri events, has done worse things than Ali in a far more public way.
[member="Danger Arceneau"]
Does bring up a good point, though at this point it seems that most of the people in the Republic need to be held accountable for crimes...maybe we should merge with the Hutt Cartel (joking).
[member="Alyesa Organa"]
I don't use skype except for business, would you be amenable to PM?
I'm pretty sure I'm not one of the writers you don't trust as this is my first Republic Character. I am going to try to strong arm the Republic back into being the Republic, as may be obvious at the moment.
[member="sabrina"]
It wouldn't need to be on a ship, the technology could easily be placed on satellites and deployed within Republic space to disrupt transit.
I could design a whole system that would enable trade and Republic ships to transit but no one else, but it wouldn't matter. *shrugs*
Yeah, that's not going to get confirmed. No offense to Keira's author, but that is not going to happen, and it makes no sense. She was at the center of the Lasedri events, has done worse things than Ali in a far more public way.
[member="Danger Arceneau"]
Does bring up a good point, though at this point it seems that most of the people in the Republic need to be held accountable for crimes...maybe we should merge with the Hutt Cartel (joking).
[member="Alyesa Organa"]
I don't use skype except for business, would you be amenable to PM?
I'm pretty sure I'm not one of the writers you don't trust as this is my first Republic Character. I am going to try to strong arm the Republic back into being the Republic, as may be obvious at the moment.
[member="sabrina"]
It wouldn't need to be on a ship, the technology could easily be placed on satellites and deployed within Republic space to disrupt transit.
I could design a whole system that would enable trade and Republic ships to transit but no one else, but it wouldn't matter. *shrugs*
Ali Hadrix
Bad Boss
[member=Danger Arceneau]
This is after Ali has met with the woman and learned about the brain chips, the events before and during, etc, and other factors. Plus, I know Keira's writer and she's solid stuff. Crappy stuff happens all the time in Star Wars. You have about a dozen Jedi and Sith on this site right now that all used to be Sith or Jedi, and any transgressions of the past are forgiven because they switched sides.
So unless YOU want the job, it was just a logical step for Ali as a character, from her position in things.
[member=Alyesa Organa]
I've been writing with the GR for quite a while now and never heard a peep from anyone about Alderaanian writers having issues. I'm sorry if you have felt neglected; I am unable to commit the time required to have a deep understanding of everything that goes on in this faction. To be entirely transparent; the only writers/characters I actually knew before all this were [member=Gir Quee]/[member=Travot] (writer/char), [member=Faith Balor-Organa] (char only), [member=Keira Ticon] (writer only), [member=Lady Kay] (writer/char), [member=Mantic Dorn] (writer only), Genevieve (writer only) and [member=Miss Blonde] (writer/char).
So things are a bit less concentrated than you might think, at least on my end. All I knew about this invasion going in can be summed as such:
"Genevieve went rogue and used a clone army to try and overthrow the senate, nationlized some companies, and now the Mandalorians are invading Roche and we have to fight them off!"
Literally any IC or OOC Sithspit outside of that I was not privy to; before this, I had a strict rule of not getting wrapped up in people's drama. Apparently I walked my character into a family feud.
I'm glad you bring up trust, because quite frankly, I've been feeling the same about other writers involved in this as well: I don't feel I can trust them. Abigail/Khyros was the first person to even come to me and ask "Well what do you think should happen in this scenario with your character?" Everyone else has been talking about Ali as if I'm not here, or as if their point of view is the one and only truth.
So I feel there's clearly some OOC issues going on, and it does us no good to deny that. But I'll also be the first to apologize to you if you have felt neglected or ignored or otherwise abandoned by the faction. I've felt for a while that our leadership hasn't been much involved, and I think that's led to a lot of writers working on their own stories in isolation without lead writers to help keep us organized. As a result, other writers feel neglected.
I dunno, maybe all that's way off, that's just kind of how I'm starting to see this whole mess.
At the end of the day, these are the truest things I can tell you:
1) I like to put the fun of the story first.
2) I'm happy to write a positive story with anyone, regardless of affiliation/history/etc.
3) I like to work cooperatively, without absolutes restrictions or lack of any.
4) While a member of the Republic I support the development of stories for all characters in all factions.
5) I'm only ever a PM away from answering a question or providing help, OOC/IC.
This is after Ali has met with the woman and learned about the brain chips, the events before and during, etc, and other factors. Plus, I know Keira's writer and she's solid stuff. Crappy stuff happens all the time in Star Wars. You have about a dozen Jedi and Sith on this site right now that all used to be Sith or Jedi, and any transgressions of the past are forgiven because they switched sides.
So unless YOU want the job, it was just a logical step for Ali as a character, from her position in things.
[member=Alyesa Organa]
I've been writing with the GR for quite a while now and never heard a peep from anyone about Alderaanian writers having issues. I'm sorry if you have felt neglected; I am unable to commit the time required to have a deep understanding of everything that goes on in this faction. To be entirely transparent; the only writers/characters I actually knew before all this were [member=Gir Quee]/[member=Travot] (writer/char), [member=Faith Balor-Organa] (char only), [member=Keira Ticon] (writer only), [member=Lady Kay] (writer/char), [member=Mantic Dorn] (writer only), Genevieve (writer only) and [member=Miss Blonde] (writer/char).
So things are a bit less concentrated than you might think, at least on my end. All I knew about this invasion going in can be summed as such:
"Genevieve went rogue and used a clone army to try and overthrow the senate, nationlized some companies, and now the Mandalorians are invading Roche and we have to fight them off!"
Literally any IC or OOC Sithspit outside of that I was not privy to; before this, I had a strict rule of not getting wrapped up in people's drama. Apparently I walked my character into a family feud.
I'm glad you bring up trust, because quite frankly, I've been feeling the same about other writers involved in this as well: I don't feel I can trust them. Abigail/Khyros was the first person to even come to me and ask "Well what do you think should happen in this scenario with your character?" Everyone else has been talking about Ali as if I'm not here, or as if their point of view is the one and only truth.
So I feel there's clearly some OOC issues going on, and it does us no good to deny that. But I'll also be the first to apologize to you if you have felt neglected or ignored or otherwise abandoned by the faction. I've felt for a while that our leadership hasn't been much involved, and I think that's led to a lot of writers working on their own stories in isolation without lead writers to help keep us organized. As a result, other writers feel neglected.
I dunno, maybe all that's way off, that's just kind of how I'm starting to see this whole mess.
At the end of the day, these are the truest things I can tell you:
1) I like to put the fun of the story first.
2) I'm happy to write a positive story with anyone, regardless of affiliation/history/etc.
3) I like to work cooperatively, without absolutes restrictions or lack of any.
4) While a member of the Republic I support the development of stories for all characters in all factions.
5) I'm only ever a PM away from answering a question or providing help, OOC/IC.
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