Sith=Evil? What makes a sith a sith?

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Darth Vornskr"] As for this one, he's just mental.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Mental?

Or enlightened?

Most likely the former.

[member="Tirdarius"]

 

[Jsc]

I should probably also note, since Tirdarius just reminded me of this...

The Staff does not sponsor any absolute definitions for our Rank Title labels. They leave it up to the writers and to the Factions to define these 'specifics' for themselves.

Examples being, every writer is able to pick the Rank Title that they feel best suits their character. Just like you are doing now Ayessa. We get to look at our character and say, what fits the best? Acknowledging to ourselves and to our readers that no specific Rank Title will always be "correct", but rather which one is, "the most correct". Even for right now. Similar? Factions get to choose how to best represent and stay true to their own labels and creedos, likewise. What is "Sith" to one darkside faction, (or individual,) might be heresy to another. But such is life and taxes.

To close. Anybody who enters this thread with the unique mindset of thinking that there is a "absolute", or "site sponsored", or "always truthful" eternity behind any one Rank Title? Ugh. Yeah. Is doomed to live through a cylindrical internet conversation of frustration and shear fictional abandonment. Forever.

Ye have been warned. Lulz.

 

[Kendrix]

[member="Menka Guga"]

Sith code makes a character a sith not evil. You can be psychotic as a sith or dark jedi. You can be an anti-villain as a sith or dark jedi. The code is what separates the two.

tl;dr My character is a sith because of the sith code not because she does or refuses cuts the heads off of children.

 

[Sanya Val Lerium]

[member="Ayessa Valen"] we are opening a bounty hunting section

 

[Sanya Val Lerium]

[member="Ayessa Valen"] we are opening a bounty hunting section

 

[Menka Guga]

[member="Kendrix"]


Going against/rejecting a code does not make one evil, either. Although the part about burn, pillage and all was a bad and cruel joke because stereotypical sith.


Still, there's too many Sith, and the majority are evil, so that's what I see it as; beings bent on domination and controlfreaks

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Jay Scott Clark"] Definitely wouldn't want to restrict the concept to one definition, no, no. Freedom of expression around here is a must.

Even if you're doing it wrong

 

[Coci Heavenshield]

[member="Kendrix"]

beings bent on domination and controlfreaks

Jedi are this as well, it is just wrapped up in a different bow.

but this is where the fun is..

 

[Coren Starchaser]

If we kill all the Sith they might not be evil anymore.

Galactic Alliance doctors have been running diagnoses, and for each dead Sith they look at, they realize they're not evil any longer.

Death is the cure for Evil Sith in 5/5 cases.

 

[Ayessa Valen]

Thanks all for your contribution to my little problem! Feel free to keep discussing, but I think I've made my choice is going neutral force wise. Reading over the original sith doctrine makes me question if that's what Ayessa wants to do, and I think perhaps joining The Black Rose might suit her well! I'll keep her neutral and let her develop as a character from there. Thanks a bunch for all of your guys's comments, it really did help out!!!!!

 

[Kendrix]

[member="Menka Guga"]

My debate isn't that sith aren't evil. Most Sith are evil. They are the villains in the movies after all. Most on this site are insane psychos.

What I am getting at is just because my sith isn't the trademark chaos sith doesn't make her or anyone else like her any less a sith. The sith code makes her a sith. Not her actions.

 

[Jsc]

Even if you're doing it wrong

See, I really liked your answer. I think it's a welcome perspective every Sith junior should get exposed to. Especially because it's not the 'loudest' most 'flamboyant' definition of a True Sith out there. It's very Anti-Darth Maul. Which I very much love and respect about that specific Sithy lifestyle. Bravo.

Heck. I loved everybody's answers. Even the really really unique ones. Because it fits their character, or drives their character, or guides their theater right to where they need to be. Out into the dark. Out into the abyss. And I think if you were the Devil and had to choose the best definition of a true darkling you'd probably go with, "Meh. Whatever works. A lost souls a lost soul. All tastes the same to me." Lulz.

I also love the rationalization. As if a single creature can look at nature and say, okay he's the red line of morality. Don't cross this. I mean, does nature even care? No. Nature is not moved by our perspectives. It does not reach out and favor this man or that. Especially just because that man decided to 'limit' himself or keep a 'creed' or 'code'. Nature is unmoved by our protests and our silly 'rules'.

But the glory of Star Wars is that it's not Nature? In the hands of a writer it is whatever you want it to be. As George Lucas so willfully found out when he went to see Disney's new movie. Out here on the Net? It really is anybodies game. So cheers to the Devil and Disney's happy mouse.

I'm just here to enjoy the ride.

 

[Menka Guga]

[member="Kendrix"]

When was this about you? And I never said you were anything, you are what you say you are, I never tried to make an assumption of what you do or why you do things

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Jay Scott Clark"] I think the key to it all is remembering that nobody must embrace every teaching of a given discipline, philosophy, religion or ideology - just as there are hundreds of different Christian sects around the world, so to can there be many different sects among the Jedi, or the Sith. Each one may have their own unique interpretation or approach, but invariably, most will consider themselves 'it', and all others to be Heretics. Or not, as the case may be - either way, it allows for a lot of fun, varied RP, since these beings must interact in a world that doesn't exist as a bubble: you've got Jedi trying to eradicate Sith of every sect, and so on.

As you say, it's all dependent on rationalisation: some may not care enough to rationalise their behaviour, and simply want to see everything burn. Others may have a strong moral or political philosophy that guides their every action. The beauty of RP is that this can be expressed in even very subtle ways - and everyone else can feel free to show awareness of it, or not.

 

[Kendrix]

[member="Menka Guga"]

I was using my character as an example.... Ok, Let me just:

Not evil dark side users WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THE SITH CODE are Dark Jedi,

Not evil dark side users WHO DO FOLLOW THE SITH CODE are Dark Jedi SITH,

That is the point I was trying to get across. Now that I have, I am done posting.

 

[Ayessa Valen]

You guys are all so intelligent with your answers, I'm currently having an identity crisis. LOL

 

[Shaddi]

[member="Menka Guga"] A sith isn't evil, at least not inherently, I for example use cold rage to fuel my power which is what Sidious and Dooku use (And was attempted to teach Anikin). It allows me to ues hatred and rage as fuel for my power while remaining focused and clear minded. However that doesn't make me evil at all, do I defend myself when attacked? of course I do. Do I strive to achieve my goals within my own personal sense of morality? Doesn't everyone? In the end it is simply the fact that sith value personal freedom over the servitude that I see the jedi dedicate themselves to that I choose the sith to begin with. The mere notion of all sith are evil is simply and bluntly put preposterous, it's like saying every jedi is good. To disapprove that point simply look at Anikin during the clone wars for example.

[member="Ayessa Valen"] To be evil or good is up to you but if you want an elegant sith look towards Dooku for inspiration, I mean he was the pinnacle of elegance when he was alive, preferring the makashi style only simply because it's so elegant a fighting form.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Darth Erebos"] I'll be honest: I never got the impression that Palpatine and Dooku were telling the whole story with their manipulations of Anakin. To tap into anger and rage provides a source of power, certainly, but that power is also undisciplined, something you unleash rather than something you control. As with Maul, I have the sense that Palpatine wished Anakin to be turned into an effective weapon, rather than to make him a true Sith: ultimately, Palpatine had no intentions of creating a replacement, because he intended to rule far beyond the norm. Anakin to him was only ever a means to an end, and as such, I doubt he ever truly intended to teach him the entirety of Sith lessons - as with Dooku, Anakin was just a weapon to be directed at one's enemies. Anakin wasn't truly Sith, tbh - he was just a tool.

Palpatine is where you should look for a Sith - patient, disciplined, strong. Capable of terrible acts of anger and rage, certainly (and this became more evident towards the end of the Clone Wars), but he clearly had a strong sense of a Sith's right to rule. And, once he had it, what did he craft? An ordered, disciplined, peaceful society. Yes, brutal and oppressive, there's no doubt of that, but that's where I feel Palpatine went off the rails - created a strong, militaristic Empire designed to protect the peace, but then went a step too far and turned it on it's own citizenry. That's where a good Sith becomes a moron.

 

[Menka Guga]

[member="Darth Erebos"]


Sorry people didn't get the point that my statement of Sith being evil was a stereotypical joke, bad or not ^.^

My stance on all Sith, psycho, evil, crazy, or not, are domination-obsessed and controlfreaks~