The Roche Trials

[Matthew Rei]

[member="Taeli Raaf"]

Thank you. I wasn't quite sure and it made me laugh really hard thinking about it the way I did. Carry on.

 

[Matthew Rei]

frankly, all of you are biased beyond all belief and every sentiment wreaks of it. Personally, the expectations and outcome is low of what is going to come from this given the past attempts at trying people within the Republic by individual PCs within the Republic. (Alyesa vs Lasedri with Corvus and Kian Karr being judges) It tends to be super biased and they've already made up their mind on how they want it to go.

Let's just take a minute to relax, everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44qwyHlMfk

 

[The End Narrator]

Sorry dude, I'm not salty. Who are you again?

Regardless of what you do or others do to defend Ali. Won't change the fate that will befall the Republic.

I'm content.

^_^

 

[Matthew Rei]

You don't know what's coming. Here's a hint on how the Mandos are now seeing a prolonged war with the Republic:

Edit: The picture after "Republic:" said D-Day.

So, you're saying that the GR is going to be the soldiers on the beach with machine guns and the Mandalorians are the ones in amphibious vehicles? This example, of course, doesn't make sense unless it's the Mandalorians actually taking a role reversal pill and BEING invaded by the Republic? Frankly, I'm not aware of what and why things are happening between these two factions, so please enlighten me as to who killed who first here and sparked the conflict again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34RlJ0L0xE

 

[Ali Hadrix]

[member=Matthew Mar'Tin]

I feel that war/conflict between factions should always be intended to facilitate overarching RP. But here, I feel it has become the point; and that concerns me.

 

[Matthew Rei]

But, if I'm to give some serious, straight, real talk here, it's this:

Did Ali specifically say that she was killing civilians in her own post that she crafted and chose for her character/NPCs?

As far as I've gathered, the answer is no.

Did someone in the Mandalorians insert their piece of reality (about civilians being in the hangar) into that thread that ran contrary to Ali's original intention and started this mess?

As far as I've gathered, the answer is yes.

Is Ali and whoever did that on the Mandalorian side allowed to do that?

After communication and mutual agreement, yes.

Now, since Ali didn't intend for this to happen to her character at all, do NOT demonize her for playing along with the Mando idea and still trying to keep close to, if not on the same, path she originally intended which was: remaining innocent, being lightside, planting trees, kissing babies, etc.

This pretty much SAME EXACT THING happened to the Rebel Alliance when NPCs by Corey magicked a busy McYoda's quite literally right next to an important military target during a raid on One Sith without communicating and okaying it with the Rebels first. I still see the freaking "Never Forget Dave" insignia around sometimes. This isn't the first time I've seen stuff like this go down, but it's still frustrating to see it cause such a problem.

Frankly, I'm not buying any reason someone has to be mad OOC about this. It's all rigged, no matter which way you look at it *insert dank conspiracy theory here*. IC Mandos and Sith mad? GREAT! That's the way it's supposed to be. Writer's mad? Nah, brah. Don't be that way. Don't get mad because you feel like you're "losing" some concept you hold of PvP here.

PvP just DOES NOT WORK on a site that at it's heart and core is about one person posting, another posting back and two or more people coming together in a thread and telling a story. Together.

*insert dank heart warming hugs right here*

 

[Commander Lusk]

Not that my opinion matters or anything, but rather than all of bickering about how things should be lets just write out the thread and do it. Just Shia LeBouf it and JUST DO IT!!

 

[Matthew Rei]

Guys, I'm excited for this thread! I want a chance to have a court battle RP! This is what my character was intended for!

Other than the slight amount of involvement I had with the Rebel Alliance many moons ago, I'm completely neutral besides the fact that I resent the One Sith IC. I'm not Force Sensitive. I'm a true third party IC and OOC (believe it or not. D

If I have/had a faction that I truly care about and was 100% loyal, it was the Red Ravens and they're dead. I ghosted between the rest of the factions shortly after, but I don't have a true loyalty to any of them as a writer.

Lady Kay is a friend and that's why I'm even here to take part. As the Rebel Alliance is a subfaction of the GR, I'm sure we're related close enough. I'll do my best to act as a lawyer and I'll enjoy it. Yes, it's going to seem like I'm centered on her side and that's going to give you some OOC impression of me. But, guess what? I'm a defending lawyer! That's precisely what I'm supposed to do IC.

 

[Hira Mitsae]

This pretty much SAME EXACT THING happened to the Rebel Alliance when NPCs by Corey magicked a busy McYoda's quite literally right next to an important military target during a raid on One Sith without communicating and okaying it with the Rebels first. I still see the freaking "Never Forget Dave" insignia around sometimes. This isn't the first time I've seen stuff like this go down, but it's still frustrating to see it cause such a problem.

Let me please interject for a moment here. There's a key difference between what happened with Ali Hadrix and what Corey did with the Rebels and the One Sith.

Namely this: Nickel One, the home of the Verpine in Roche... is a civilian installation. It's not military-dominated at all. So you might see where the key difference is.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

The tone in this thread is starting to darken again.
Are we trying to create a fun event or something else?

[member="Matthew Mar'Tin"] [member="Darell Irani"] [member="Ali Hadrix"]

The intent from the writer of [member="Ali Hadrix"] was to give mandalorian warriors a problem by venting the hangar.

It could very well be justified since it was an invading force arriving. Normal procedures would be for the civilians to retreat behind the defendibg army, or seek shelter. Not stay in a hangar were an invading fleet drops by.

That said, Ali accepted that civilians were present due to her friendly co-writers input and writing that civilians died.

The logic behind it might be questioned, if one is willing, but we will return to that she RP along with that civilians were present and did die.

Her IC intent or what "missinformation" she could have been given- however should not be dictated by others then her.
This opens up for a trial without pre-determined outcome. Something that seems to be important in the reasoning around this thread.
Without Ali - no event.

Edit - let me rephrace. Without Ali's concent - the event will be much less interesting and hold far less credibility.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

Nobody has pre-determined an outcome. That's the whole point of either having jurors or having the faction vote once all the information has been presented in the IC trial. That's why I take offense to this being called a sham. I'm writing a story, as are the others, and when someone calls that story a sham, I tend to get pretty ticked off about it.

Now, from what I've seen, [member="Ali Hadrix"] seemed willing to go on trial. As has been stated, it will be a fair trial, both sides sharing evidence and giving their arguments before either Jurors or the faction vote on the outcome. Nobody can force actions on her, which she knows from an OOC standpoint. Even if she were given the death penalty she'd have the choice to accept it, or to find some way to avoid it. That's how this site works.

So people, if you aren't interested in being part of the trial, please only post with constructive comments or ideas on how the whole thing should work.

If you want to just call it a sham, please don't post at all. You aren't being constructive.

 

[Thelma]

Been following this though I don`t have a shoe in this debate

1: The republic should have a trial and a fair one, it is what the republic is about the rule of law and the burocratic instruments that come out to enforce it.

2: Yes they in the rp they shopuld note that eyes of the mandalorains are upon them, but not use that to sway the juiors.

3: Yes a not guitly verdict or a guilty verdict without server conuences for the accused, would proably add fuel to war. As mandalorians will want blood, they are liike that and it is how should be for their rp's

4: Remember this just for fun

 

[Eralam]

Guys, I'm excited for this thread! I want a chance to have a court battle RP! This is what my character was intended for!

Other than the slight amount of involvement I had with the Rebel Alliance many moons ago, I'm completely neutral besides the fact that I resent the One Sith IC. I'm not Force Sensitive. I'm a true third party IC and OOC (believe it or not. D

If I have/had a faction that I truly care about and was 100% loyal, it was the Red Ravens and they're dead. I ghosted between the rest of the factions shortly after, but I don't have a true loyalty to any of them as a writer.

Lady Kay is a friend and that's why I'm even here to take part. As the Rebel Alliance is a subfaction of the GR, I'm sure we're related close enough. I'll do my best to act as a lawyer and I'll enjoy it. Yes, it's going to seem like I'm centered on her side and that's going to give you some OOC impression of me. But, guess what? I'm a defending lawyer! That's precisely what I'm supposed to do IC.

Oh look, the defense showed up.

You've got a prosecutor, a defense lawyer, all you need now are your judges and this thing can kick off.

 

[Ali Hadrix]

What [member=Janira Fenni] and [member=Darth Vulkan] have both said recently struck a positive chord with me, and I came to an amicable conclusion, I feel.

I'm fairly confident that anyone who has expressed the sentiment that Ali is responsible no matter what I wrote will continue to think so, both OOC and IC, regardless of any trial held by the Republic faction members. Unless the verdict is guilty and the punishment is to package her up in carbonite and send her shebs to [member=Ember Rekali] (which I will not allow for obvious reasons), this attitude will persist.

Therefore, and in order to eliminate any further argument regarding how this situation ought to be handled, I feel a thread that exists primarily to serve the purpose of furthering Ali's story is what would be best. I've decided that for myself and my character Ali will participate in a single official Republic trial that will find her to be innocent (as is in accordance with my original intention for her story), and will then shift focus onto convicting Kol'k Oto and the Verpine politicians responsible for the act as I wrote them and originally intended for these characters.

OOC, this will be the narrative regarding Ali's story.

IC your characters are free to think however they want; anyone who wants to assign bounties, continue with initiating invasions, or attempt to attack Ali in any certain way is free to approach me about it. I will take an opponent here and there for writing, but will not respond to overzealous attacks on my character. Mando'ade, you are of course free to claim Dar'manda upon Ali (though her mother might disagree), and are open to attempt to engage her in threads I write in Mandalorian space, as long as you can justify discovering her location (she is a spy, that can be hard) and discuss the possibility with me beforehand. You are also of course free to hold your own trial in absentia for her (this has been done in RL before against perceived criminals, though is typically recognized as a gross breach of natural justice), without her in custody of course.

I would be happy to have [member=Matthew Mar'Tin] represent Ali in the trial thread.

As of now, the only discussion remaining concerns the writers involved in the thread; anyone who desires to participate can approach me, the sharp-minded lawyer [member=Matthew Mar'Tin], the noble Jedi [member=Mantic Dorn], or the esteemed Senator [member=Lady Kay] and we can find an appropriate role for you to play that fits the story as well as your character.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

I personally don't see the point of a Public thread then. Just crank it out in a private thread yourself since no one else's input matters anyway.

Next time read other people's posts before making blanket statements.

[member="Janira Fenni"]
Still down for Obra-Skai, but the intentions will be different.

 

[Ali Hadrix]

I personally don't see the point of a Public thread then. Just crank it out in a private thread yourself since no one else's input matters anyway.

Next time read other people's posts before making blanket statements.

It would take place in a faction thread, more than likely, with involvement sorted out ahead of time.

I understand the IC position of the Mandalorian characters, and it's partly with those characters in mind that I made the decision. As you've stated, the only justice they'll accept is full surrender and turn over of Ali to their custody to face their justice. And that's not something I'm willing to do to my character considering her being drawn into the issue wasn't even supposed to happen and I worked hard to avoid it. So either way, the Mandalorians are denied what they see IC as justice. But this way, there's enough control over the situation that the writing itself can remain entertaining and fun.

 

[Popo]

I've decided that for myself and my character Ali will participate in a single official Republic trial that will find her to be innocent (as is in accordance with my original intention for her story), and will then shift focus onto convicting Kol'k Oto and the Verpine politicians responsible for the act as I wrote them and originally intended for these characters.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyways, if that's how it's going to be, speaking as a writer with a character who is the head of a clan of Mandos, that's now three clans beating war drums. Can't speak for the rest of the mandos, but I'm sure many more clans will begin preparing as well.

Begun, the Mando Wars have.

 

[Matthew Rei]

Sorry dude, I'm not salty.

It's okay. No need to apologize.

[member="Darell Irani"]

I see a difference between two settings, but...

Roche: Hangar was planned to be empty.
Coruscant: Mission was planned to avoid collateral.

Roche: Mandos insert civilians where Ali didn't intend.
Coruscant: Sith insert civilians where Rebels didn't intend.

lawl.

[member="Popo"]

Would this gateway to awesome theme music appease thee?

Just crank it out in a private thread yourself since no one else's input matters anyway.

Tch, tch, tch. That in ITSELF is a blanket statement. Ali, just like you and everyone else, is only going to write their story the way they intend it to take place, especially since NPCs are the source of the commotion. As we all know, NPCs are just flavor.

If you feel so strongly about having a hand in the proceedings, I'm sure we'd keep a seat open for you if you'd like to take an unarmed trip out to visit us. Otherwise, submit what evidence you have to P.O. box 1337, Geek Republic. Thank you for your contributions.


Now everyone laugh. Just laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

#HangarWasAnInsideJob
#DaveWasAnInisideJob
#DankConspiracyTheoriesLawl

 

[Laira Darkhold]

I never knew Dave.

He was taken too soon...

[member="Reverance"]

#NeverforgetDave #MittensEternal

 

[Tydeus of Tion]

Nobody has pre-determined an outcome.

I've decided that for myself and my character Ali will participate in a single official Republic trial that will find her to be innocent (

Right.