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The Roche Trials

Darell Irani said:
Nickel One, the home of the Verpine in Roche...
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Oh sorry, I thought you said Nickelback.
 
Cai Sanis said:
Honestly you dont need to over-complicate this thing. Just have the trail set forth the facts IC and then have the faction vote via a public poll (to ensure people don't vote twice and that people like me who are way too inactive to have a say don't vote to skew results) and then have NPC jury vote in the same ratio that the vote ends up. I imagine OOC it would be less Drama that way.
[member="Mantic Dorn"], this is the most sensible suggestion I have read. Please, for the love of all that is good and pure in this forum (not much, admittedly, but I digress) I beseech you to go with this option. Appoint a prosecutor, let Ali pick her defense attorney. Let them both compile their lists of witnesses and state their cases.

[member="Ali Hadrix"], I will also implore you not to cheapen [member="Matthew Mar'Tin"]'s victory by demanding that the outcome be predetermined. It's roleplay. Things happen. If Ali is innocent, the Republic's player-base will find her innocent. If not... Well, actions have consequences. It is, again, roleplay.
 
[member="Ryan Korr"]



Ryan Korr said:
Janira Fenni, on 29 Jan 2016 - 06:43 AM, said: Nobody has pre-determined an outcome. Ali Hadrix, on 29 Jan 2016 - 3:05 PM, said: I've decided that for myself and my character Ali will participate in a single official Republic trial that will find her to be innocent ( Right.

This just means that Ali intends to be found innocent. If you were on the defense, you'd REALLY want to win a court battle, too. Besides, it's two people saying two different things. Janira is saying that the intent is for everyone involved to develop the court thread organically. Ali states that she intends on getting out of it innocent.

You're upset that Ali is in the mindset she's supposed to be in as a strong-willed leader of the Geek Republic facing charges?

[member="Pondo Biblo"]

You're good, but my vote's for Jack Sparrow. :D
 
So, let's make a template:

Location:
Jury Roster:
Judge:
Defendant:
Defendant's Attorney: Matthew Mar'Tin
Prosecutor:
Witnesses - Defendant:
Witnesses - Prosecutor:
Bailiff:

Add whatever else I may have missed

[member="Eralam"]
 
I would recommend making the bailiff a purely ceremonial position and backstopping security with a force that can hold off a team of highly motivated Mandalorians on the off chance that something goes wrong, but otherwise, looks good.

[member="Matthew Mar'Tin"]
 
Welp, I'm backing out since the outcome is predetermined. Find yourself a different prosecutor. And I suggest avoiding meeting Janira anywhere private, Ali.

The Republic is about to kick the bucket.

Hail Mandalore.

#FreeEshan
 
Janira Fenni said:
Welp, I'm backing out since the outcome is predetermined. Find yourself a different prosecutor. And I suggest avoiding meeting Janira anywhere private, Ali.

The Republic is about to kick the bucket.

Hail Mandalore.

#FreeEshan
[member="Janira Fenni"]

As Ali's lawyer so eloquently pointed out, the outcome is only predetermined in Ali's head.

Side note, if [member="Matthew Mar'Tin"] had done the talking from the get go, this whole mess could have been avoided.

After thinking about it, I'm not sure getting the Jedi involved is the best idea either, since one of their own was killed in this incident. Maybe borrow some heavy hitters from the SSC or GA? Idk, y'all are karking this duck, I'm just kinda holding the wings since no one else seems interested.
 
No, I'm fairly certain she actually means that she is determining the outcome. Otherwise she would have worded it something more like "... will more than likely find her innocent" or "... that I am certain will find her innocent." The way it is worded is an absolute.
 
Sure it is, but everyone else is free to disregard that as they see fit. One person does not get to dictate the terms of RP to everyone else, regardless of how much they really, really wish they could. That's what makes the difference between collaborative RP and a site full of loosely connected fanfic. Her character may not be killed or otherwise harmed without her permission, and there's a case to be made for not being incarcerated against her will, but the trial is free to come up with whatever verdict the evidence deems necessary.
 
Well, Mandalore held a Trial. Judge and Jury Ember Rekali found her to be guilty and saw with his own eye's via flow walking she was as guilty as Capone. Currently Executioner Ember Rekali is seeking the criminal.

As for the GR trial. Despite everything that has been said, its completely possible for the Senate to hold a trial and come up with what ever verdict/sentence they want, regardless of what anyone else says. It will be hollow without the support of the FO/FA. But I would presume that if the senate as a majority decided one way or another, they would be acknowledged. That is just a guess.

As much as someone might want to dictate what happens, they can't tell the majority of their own faction to piss off. Well they can, but then the faction can call for an FO vote at any time.



Janira Fenni said:
Hail Mandalore. #FreeEshan

SoonTM

Just leave the gate open for us boo.
 
Janira Fenni said:
The Republic is about to kick the bucket.
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[member="Janira Fenni"]

I don't have enough memes to save the Titanic, but I do know that the Republic's not sinking just because of one person. The Mandos, maybe...just maybe. But, don't be swayed by my client's attitude, Miss Fenni. She may do her own thing afterwards, but I can promise you something: good RP. You, me and an audience of others who will listen and interpret as they see fit.

Mar'Tin and Fenni. Going at it in a clash of laws and words. A battle of wits. Your arguments against mine. The thrill of intellect as we type away thinking "I have you now!" Keep your chin up and I/others will do their best to make sure that the results won't be as shallow as you believe they will.

[member="Darth Vulkan"]

Can you link us that thread, please?

[member="Eralam"]



Eralam said:
Idk, y'all are karking this duck, I'm just kinda holding the wings since no one else seems interested.
Poor choice of words. Too many mental pictures. Blech! I'll hold the right wing and you hold the left one. Sound good?
 
Mantic Dorn said:
Hey hey,

I am not deciding this. I try to keep an eye on it of course since it will have an impact on the faction and its members.

I know Ali feels preassured and it worries me. Other then that I am just browsing here.
Pondo Biblo said:
[member="Mantic Dorn"], this is the most sensible suggestion I have read. Please, for the love of all that is good and pure in this forum (not much, admittedly, but I digress) I beseech you to go with this option. Appoint a prosecutor, let Ali pick her defense attorney. Let them both compile their lists of witnesses and state their cases.

[member="Ali Hadrix"], I will also implore you not to cheapen [member="Matthew Mar'Tin"]'s victory by demanding that the outcome be predetermined. It's roleplay. Things happen. If Ali is innocent, the Republic's player-base will find her innocent. If not... Well, actions have consequences. It is, again, roleplay.
Hey hey,

I am not deciding this. I try to keep an eye on it of course since it will have an impact on the faction and its members.

For me I would like to see the time line get in order sometime and thus the trial vs Gen is more important. But it does not seem to be focus anymore.

I know Ali feels preassured and it worries me. Other then that I am just browsing here.
 
Matthew Mar'Tin said:
Poor choice of words. Too many mental pictures. Blech! I'll hold the right wing and you hold the left one. Sound good?
So long as I'm not actually getting wrangled into this gong show, sure. Either way, this duck's gonna quack.

[member="Matthew Mar'Tin"]
 
To anyone who is confused as to my stance on the subject of Ali's innocence in any RP handling her trial: I am 100% against her being declared guilty by any official trial that I recognize as a writer.

*Pause for effect, and whinging and moaning about it*

Why? Because that's not how I designed the narrative.

*Pause for claims that this is all collaborative and people are allowed to interpret things however they want*

I've been as chill as possible about this till now, but I'm done.

The simple, irrefutable OOC fact is that in my post(s) covering the hangar venting, I was clear and concise about what the narrative was, and that was twisted by opposing writers and taken from my control in a way that had nothing to do with collaborative writing.

Starting with Kol'k Oto. I designed this NPC to take the fall. Oto and the delegation. They were to commit an act against aggressors (let's not forget the Mandalorians invaded a happy Republic world, they are, by definition, the violent aggressors), that would be of their own choosing. Captain Heln and his guards persons were intended to be the Republic personnel for whom the government placed blame. The Verpine would be dealt with in a manner fitting the justice system of the Republic.

*Pause for snorts of laughter about "Yeah, this sure is Republic justice, right? Har har, what a joke."*

Moving on to the act itself: I clearly described that no innocent civilians would be in the hangar. Those that were would be there by "choice" meaning they were on the side of the Mandalorians (and not the innocent little sons and daughters of the clearly non-violent Mandalorian people).
Therefore, if the Mandalorians wanted to claim any casualty losses, they would be Mandalorian sympathizers to the invasion force that had made landfall on the home of a Republic civilian populace.

To make this whole situation even more ridiculous, I even worked hard to emphasize a scenario where not even Mandalorian lives were in danger! I did so by the Verpine attempting to reassure themselves by confirming that Mandalorians wear vacuum-proof armor. Spacing them was just meant to scatter them to the wind and stall their advance; it was specifically designed to avoid even aggressor casualties. These Verpine are horrible people, aren't they?

I did not explicitly declare this fact, but noted it in one of the Verpine's lines: "We're after work hours, only Verpine drones will be there, any others are there by choice." (Paraphrased myself) I continued to reinforce this in narrative. But I have a little bit of class, so once writers started adding stuff about watching the tears on little kids' eyes freeze up as they froze to death, I couldn't very well go "That didnt happen, ur a liar."

As for Aaralyn's death; I've got people jumping on me as if that had anything to do with what I'd written. She let her character die; I didn't lift a finger. And neither did Ali. As I recall, Aaralyn had just walked out of a Mandalorian freighter. When the venting began, I would have simply jumped back into the ship and closed the door. Might have hated myself for dooming all those poor children that were hanging around a military fighting force armed to the teeth, but I'd have survived.
I'm not judging Aaralyn's decision, only emphasizing that it was her decision to make.

*Waits for [member=Janira Fenni] and others to go on about how #VerpineDroneLivesMatter*

Actually, the Verpine decide if Verpine drone lives matter, not some random junior senator who joined the government a week ago. And by Verpine, I mean me: The senior Republic faction writer who designed NP characters leading the Verpine population of the Republic and in many ways representing them. I fell back on the Verpine's logical minds and culture, which was the origin of their cloning drones to begin with. All canon suggests that the intelligent Verpine probably didn't think too much of their drone counterparts, but more as droids or cattle. They are of course, specifically genetically designed to be unintelligent workers. As I remember, this claim to NPC control was never successfully challenged, so I'm going to stand by that logic.
So, no one, certainly no one on the invader's side, gets to claim the Verpine civvies are all broke up about a bunch of drones dying. #We'llCloneSomeMore

By this point, my IC/OOC disclaimer that Kol'k Oto's act had nothing to do with Ali Hadrix was perfectly, 100% crystal clear. Hell, Ali can't even be held responsible for "negligence" because the Verpine government isn't in her chain of command. They don't answer to her on their own installation. That's the politicians shtick. Ali isn't even there. Ali is off trying to fight the good fight by bringing [member=Keira Ticon], a military leader accused of being in cahoots with Genieve Lasedri, the woman the Mandalorians are supposedly soooo pissed off at, to justice!

But somehow, despite having clearly designated a fall character, everyone involved jumps on my shebs trying to get some, based on no evidence whatsoever. (Btw, I love it when [member=Darth Vulkan] is all like "I'm going to murder that queen!" when it comes to Ali, who wasn't even there, but he's got the people who made the plan, gave the order, and pressed the button right there and he's suddenly "Super in support of the justice system")

In a split second, Kol'k Oto isn't even in anyone's periphery, despite he being a perfectly valid target for IC justice. In-Character evidence would have been great! But there wasn't any, I made sure of it when I wrote this all up.
My favorite part was when [member=Ryan Korr] is finished cutting off the limbs of a Republic soldier that fires at his own Republic soldiers who have suddenly abandoned the Republic military chain of command en masse just because the guy's a Jedi (who has literally no IC authority over them). He then beats the crap out of him, and after demanding the truth "Did Hadrix give the order!?" and the trooper is like "No!" Korr's all like "LIAR!" (even though a Jedi Master could have easily "felt the dude's emotions" and known he was being honest). And then of course there's all the "security" footage that would have shown Ali running around trying to find Keira while the Verpine had an entire conversation about what they were going to do (albeit some of that took place in their minds), because that's what I wrote as having happened. You don't get to get that twisted.

But, facts, right? Who needs them?

*Pauses for complaints that these "facts" could have easily proven Ali innocent, so an open trial should be plenty fair. What am I afraid of?*

So, what happened here was I constructed a narrative for my character. I didn't try to determine other characters' reactions, I didn't much complain when people started targeting Ali. I went with it. People start accusing her/me of war crimes, start demanding trials, everyone on the fecking asteroid starts claiming all amounts of authority, despite none of them having any IC over a character like Ali. And not one of those people aside from [member=Mantic Dorn] and [member=Lady Kay] coming to talk to me about it, unless it was to demand things of me.

But I went with it.
I played the game.
I kept it IC.
I secured the real IC criminals, the Verpine, in an attempt to get them to safety so Ali's chances of being vindicated weren't "accidentally" shot.
I avoided engaging "allied" forces she didn't feel she could trust in direct combat for prolonged periods to avoid casualties on my own side (hence all the fleeing instead of the fighting).
I chose my own objective, and I'm on my way to fulfilling it. (Good flying [member=Naast'ika Laaran])

I designed a narrative. Typically, you don't get to twist that narrative. And yet people did. But I rolled with it. Until writers started making it clear what happened with Ali wouldn't matter to them. Till they made it clear they didn't care what I as Ali's writer thought or had to say about how I'd written my character. They'd continue a war against the Republic for the sake of it, rather than for any semblance of story building between two factions. Others declared that the only way a trial would be fair to their writers would be if we accepted certain non-negotiable criteria. Anything else was declared unjust or whatever.

But even after screwing with my narrative for the sake of it, because people found a loose thread and pulled, I was still willing to write an open trial. Well, not any more. Because I'm not going to let my characters' narrative be twisted so horribly that she could possibly end up with the mark of a war criminal in this community. Ali's a good-natured person. She's firm, she's just, she's got the best interests of others in mind.

Quick note about what [member=Alyesa Organa] cited, from the Senate meeting on Manaan. She took a bunch of quotes I wrote into Ali's speeches and pinned her as some huge jerk, merely for being aggressive in negotiations with a potential member world. But if you read those quotes, what Ali's words boil down to isn't "Join us or screw off," it's "I have to protect the Republic first, even at the expense of protecting you. Become part of the Republic and I can protect you too." (Look a little deeper gurl)

And to counter what has been said of Ali regarding her banter with the Mandalorian leaders ([member=Captain Larraq] primarily). When you're talking to the leader of an invasion force, hailing their might and recognizing their strength isn't typically the course of action a leader takes. We offered them a chance to talk, despite having already placed tons of troops on a civilian station and sticking a massive war fleet in a Republic system without any communication, but they ignored us. (Btw, starting off on the station was something I was told the Mandalorian writers pushed for, so when the Republic reacts swiftly and aggressively, no one gets to be mad)
When someone walks into your house with a gun, you don't wait for them to talk to you.
So claiming that Ali single-handedly destroyed the chance for negotiations is bogus, and patently so.

*Pause for whatever fuel people still have left to be burned*

Look, I want to write and have fun, but to allow Ali to become labeled a war criminal, something she absolutely is not, would violate the nature of the character I've designed, and thus, I will not allow it. I will absolutely not take part in any thread that finds Ali guilty. And I stand by that choice. No need for further discussion, unless you specifically would like to be involved in the thread.
Obviously, characters themselves are allowed to think whatever they want of Ali's position in the act. They can ascribe her guilt based on being the ranking military member at the time, or the highest ranking government official at the time period. [member=Janira Fenni] They can ascribe her guilt based on emotional response. [member=Ember Rekali] Or they can ascribe her guilt because they want to. But you don't get to determine my narrative based on an interpretation of my writing. If there's a debate over the meaning of events to be had, I win by default as Ali's writer. End of story.

*Pauses for others to complain about losing their chance to legitimately nail Ali to the wall*

Anyone who wants to continue posting here is free to if you're wanting to sign up for the trial thread. We'll make sure everyone has a chance to have a part, and maybe we can come up with some interesting twists along the way; maybe deepen the rabbit hole of Kol'k Oto's heinous act and give it some backstory.

Again, only the story matters. Not your baggage.
 

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