The Roche Trials

[Matthew Rei]

[member="Popo"]

I started listening to this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZjFMj7OHTw

before looking at your post. The gif and the beginning music seemed to match up really nicely.

 

[Gabriel Sionoma]

Well, if the trial isn't happening, can we have an annual vigil for Dave, the Hero of Coruscant? To DAVE!

[member="Darth Vulkan"]

 

[Jack Sparrow]

[member="Jack Sparrow"] for Faction Owner and Supreme Chancellor, 2016

[member="Alyesa Organa"] Thanks, but I have no interest in being Faction Owner. Sounds too much like work, and I write here for fun. Supreme Chancellor? Yes indeed, for the RP opportunities.

 

[Miss Blonde]

[member="Popo"]

Was your Viking trained by Mister Miyagi?

 

[Popo]

[member="Miss Blonde"]
Nope, this guy

 

[Laira Darkhold]

Well, if the trial isn't happening, can we have an annual vigil for Dave, the Hero of Coruscant? To DAVE!

[member="Darth Vulkan"]

YES

HAIL DAVE! THE VICTORIOUS DEAD!

 

[Eralam]

Alright, so here's my attempt at a compromise before things go completely pear shaped.

The Mandalorians will accept nothing less than the lives of the ones who vented the hangar and led to the deaths of civilians and the Jedi. Depending on who wins the battle of Roche, their conditions for either allowing the remaining Republic forces to withdraw or withdrawing themselves without seeking bloody retribution is the extradition of the troopers directly responsible for venting the hangar. They'll insist the troopers will be given a fair trial, and the Republic doesn't need to know that their idea of a fair trial is turning them over to the tender mercies of [member="Ember Rekali"] and his merry band of psychopaths.

[member="Ali Hadrix"] will be relieved of command pending investigation. The investigation will determine that although she did not directly order the deaths of civilians, there is probably cause to suspect that she probably ought to have known better, and thus will be tried for gross negligence or some ish like that. Long story, she won't be on trial for war crimes, but she will be on trial for giving an order that some knucklehead would have been able to turn into a war crime. Dress that up in whatever legalese you want.

Trial will continue as before, and since [member="Gabriel Sionoma"] wants to keep bringing up Dave, he gets to be the judge from the GA.

 

[Popo]

[member="Eralam"]
Problem is, icly, not sure that would work. Various entities inside and outside the republic know what happened. Mando, republic, and corporate sectors witnessed, experienced, or have obtained recordings of the incidents in question. I get what you're trying to do, but anything short of what's been stated is gonna be hard to swing.

Ali has every right to do what she wants with her character, I'm just pointing out that the mandos also reserve the right to refuse any treaty placed before them lacking what they want.

Thing is, the mandos really have no footing in the "bad guy" side of this. They didn't commit/weren't on the side that committed the war crimes.

 

[Eralam]

Problem is, icly, not sure that would work. Various entities inside and outside the republic know what happened. Mando, republic, and corporate sectors witnessed, experienced, or have obtained recordings of the incidents in question. I get what you're trying to do, but anything short of what's been stated is gonna be hard to swing.

They saw the order given to vent the sections that were going to be overrun. That's arguably a valid military order, so long as there are no civilians in the area. Most Mandos are well hardened to vacuum anyway, so it wouldn't have been anything more than a nuisance. The trouble comes because there were civilians in the area of the hangar that was vented.

I've seen the quoted post as many times as you have. Ali never said to gank civilians. Civilians died as a result of the order given, for which she will be held accountable, but you're kinda stepping out on a limb to make it seem like she's the only one culpable. Like I said before, I'd love to see Ali hang, but at this point, you guys are kinda losing perspective. You want the heads of the ones immediately responsible. Cool. You can have them. Ali will go to trial for the order.

[member="Popo"], the Mandalorians have the moral high ground so long as you don't start digging your heels in over some OOC BS. Everyone was cool with this trial until folks started insisting on a set outcome. Once the GR folks started being dicks, you guys decided to burn it all down. Well, this is a chance for everyone to take a step back and take a few deep breaths.

 

[Popo]

[member="Eralam"]
To be fair, I honestly have zero cares whichever way this goes. I'm just trying to point out that there are a finite number of ways to stop the Mando War, all of which the republic is looking at going "this should be good enough" when its not.

If the Pubs wanna have a sham court, let them. They wanna through Ali to the beskar-plated wolves, cool. They wanna hem and haw and debate, okay.

The one thing I've been trying to make sure is understood, which I don't think is sinking in with the majority of the Republic dissolutioned with their white knight complexes, is that currently they are a trial and maybe a few posts away from someone going "may as well slap imperial logos on things, we're already most of the way down that road anyways."

Ali wants a predetermined trial, okay. Her prerogative, but the mandos won't like that and you and I both know that the Pubs can't fight a war on two fronts.

Anyways, back to linking viking gifs for lulz

 

[Laira Darkhold]

the Mandalorians have the moral high ground so long as you don't start digging your heels in over some OOC BS. Everyone was cool with this trial until folks started insisting on a set outcome. Once the GR folks started being dicks, you guys decided to burn it all down. Well, this is a chance for everyone to take a step back and take a few deep breaths.

IC there are plenty of ways out, but that's not for us to decide. We are after Hadrix, and if the GR supports her actions ICly, we gotta go for them too. Plain and simple. Do I think it will burn everything. Maybe. Do I care. Not really. I'm having a blast with the story line and gonna have a lot more fun with it. War or no War, i'm gonna have fun blowing stuff up, because that is what a Crazed Sith Lord Mandalorian with split personalities would do. Be it Skirmishes, Invasions, or Dominions. Imma do me.

 

[Eralam]

Ali wants a predetermined trial, okay. Her prerogative, but the mandos won't like that and you and I both know that the Pubs can't fight a war on two fronts.

I'm working on Ali. And believe me, I'm not thrilled with the prospect. IF I can get her to agree to an actual trial, would you guys be willing to at least consider holding off on the raping, pillaging, and burning of Republic territory?

 

[Popo]

 

[Eralam]

You guys can work out your own wereguild.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

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OOC: this is going to play a lot into the discussion with the Senate after the 48 hours are up.​

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[member="Jack Sparrow"] [member="Lady Kay"] and all the Senators​

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Especially considering the following that one of the Senators presented in a recording done and said by the Supreme Commander at the Dominion of Manaan.​

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"This is Amar, a Sith world of great strength; located very close to your planet, which is essentially a diamond left on a park bench in the middle of Nar Shaddaa...waiting to be taken, and too easy a prize to resist." Ali straightened and held her gaze with Alyesa; although her words had spoken to the Selkath, her eyes had never left Organa. Now, however, she separated them, and looked about the chamber.

"One of two things will happen. You will join the Republic, we will make an arrangement to transport a sustainable supply of kolto in exchange for payment at a war time markup of no more than five percent. In exchange you will receive a bonafide flotilla and mobile garrison to ensure the protection of your people and your product, and when the Sith invade, we will do what we can to fend them off." Ali turned off the holoprojector, causing the lighting in the chamber to dim somewhat. Perfect for instilling the atmosphere I want, Ali reflected before she concluded.

"Or, we will leave here today with no agreement and when the Sith invade Manaan and enslave your people and strip its oceans bare of kolto, I will ignore your pleas for help and wait until the Sith are too occupied throwing your people into concentration camps before I even consider launching a counteroffensive to free your world.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Eralam"]

I mean, Draco is the one meeting the GR for peace talks.

 

[Kay-Larr]

I don't support any of the actions in the entire invasion and all of it leading up to that. For some reason defending someone ooc means that I support ic actions taken, which is just silly. This entire thing has gotten out of hand. All we should have is a nice private conversation with a few from either side of the issue (mainly staff) and with equal give and take on both sides, come up with a solution that will work for everyone. It should be simple and shouldn't be wasting so much of people's writing time.

But that's just my naive point of view...

Edit...And remember that there's different timelines going on at once. Remember the coup that split the Republic? Still trying to work on solving that story when we get the chance. There are those that worked for Gen and those fighting against what she's done, like Faith. So people shouldn't assume that this is what everyone in the Republic wants

 

[Ali Hadrix]

Initially I was all for the idea of an open trial; my trepidation was born of the veracity with which many writers insisted upon an alternate version of the narrative and the general attitudes and tones the conversation took as it continued. But with reassurance from several of those commenting here on the conduct of the trial, coupled with [member=Eralam]'s suggestion of a charge of negligence or some other offense more accurately connected to Ali's involvement, I can submit the character for open trial.
[member=Matthew Mar'Tin] will serve as Ali's defense, and I would like to invite [member=Janira Fenni] back to work with the Republic prosecution.

 

[Miss Blonde]

Woooo!! A solution has been reached!

On a side not. I honestly find it hilarious that the mandos are like "Blood for the innocent! Revenge!" When they threw a freaken asteroid into a planet and killed billions. Then the guy who did it got the Medal of Honor. Or when Strider and every other mando just murdered the crap out of civilian mine workers on Muunlist and everyone was like "thumbs up strider! That'll teach those civilians not to switch sides when facing execution from the primeval!"

 

[Kamon's OOC]

[member="Miss Blonde"]
I think it more has to do with the fact that these civilians were loyal Mando's and the ones you described were not. Nobody said we had to like the Mandos. I certainly don't.

[member="Ali Hadrix"]
Very well. I will return so long as the trial is not predetermined in outcome. I'm here to write a story cooperatively, not have other people tell me what's going to happen before it does. Part of the thrill is not knowing what's going to happen.