What Does Light Side Faction Mean?

[Darth Eversor]

In all honesty, I'm looking forward to how this plays out from IC perspective and what it means for the Republic as a whole. No hard feelings to anyone, let's just keep the fun alive and make it an awesome story, yeah?

 

[Jsc]

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[Zonia Kalranoos]

Order 66 happened.

Order 66 happened because a guy was hiding his true allegiance for like four or three decades. He didn't enter Senate as a Sith Lord.

Sure, best we settle this IC. Whoever is in NFU and does not like Jedi and feels like accepting outright darksiders may go on Dominions and Invasions alone, because I think a substantial number of Jedi would mind his. And get smothered by One Sith. You know, deal with it.

 

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[Kian Karr]

If you want to create a Republic Faction? You must entertain (and allow), the idea that the bad guys can become the majority.

But we don't. Our faction, IC, is a Republic but doesn't function so OOC. We do vote on things periodically, and we are always open to feedback from our members, but we don't allow for a completely open storyline. If we did, the Republic could vanish tomorrow from a bunch of Sith writers creating characters to tear us apart from within. We (the FAs and FL) wouldn't allow this. It might be an interesting storyline and I'm sure there are people who would enjoy this.....but that doesn't mean it will ever happen.

Part of our duties as FAs and FL is to safeguard what the majority of our members want the storyline to follow. That is why back in the day (not that long ago) when there was talk of having the GR merge, go minor, or stay the same, there was a vote put forth and the membership let the FAs/FL of the time (I was not on the team then) know where they stood.

Spoiler

we stayed the same

 

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[Kian Karr]

[member="Megan Rhymes"]

We plan on allowing the membership to tell us what they are looking for. As I said earlier, we are going to be putting up a poll in a few days after we give this thread time to hash out other ideas, to determine the direction people want the faction to go towards with regards to darksiders.

As for "Sith writers" perhaps the better term would have just been Sith, but as someone who writes a Sith (although I haven't used her at all and it really bothers me!!), I would jump at that opportunity if it was present and I know others would as well. And the point was that if we allowed an entirely open RP experience, things could happen that wouldn't be what the majority of the Republic membership wants. If the majority of the membership wished it, and I highly doubt that would ever happen, we would have to re-evaluate.

 

[Zenitha Chuma]

[member="Megan Rhymes"]

Why? Is the GR the only light side faction out there? No. Is the GR the only faction out there? No. So why could players who want to play out that scenario not find a faction that is receptive to it?

This faction wishes to remain light. And contrary to the beliefs of a few, the OOC aspect of the GR doesn't run like a democracy, issues are mainly decided upon by the Faction Admins, who have been entrusted to run things as they see fit. So long as the FAs continue to be those who wish to ensure the GR remains light, it will do so. And so long as the people of this faction continue to be in favor of those FAs (I have seen no ill will to the contrary so far), then those kinds of FAs will continue to be chosen.

 

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[Zenitha Chuma]

[member="Megan Rhymes"]

I think you're way off base here. This faction is willing to listen to people, they don't shut them out. But let's be realistic, the GR being a light side faction, with light side stories, isn't something that's going to change very soon. You're complaining about a hypothetical, and I don't think that's a very productive use of energy.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Aimone"]

I'm talking with Kian about the useless fear of "Sith Writers". It is an actual concern. However, yes. People are getting jumpy about nothing. I agree. Dark and Neutral characters are a non-issue.

 

[Tyl Ro]

Let's try to get back to discussing this as an IC problem, not an OOC one. I don't believe anyone here has the intention to persecute writers for their choice of character. The kinds of restrictions we're talking about are purely coming from an IC standpoint, and I think are quite valid questions to be asked. This shouldn't be about our OOC opnions of what is acceptable, but rather what the Galactic Republic stands for and how its citizens are considered within its borders.

PLEASE NOTE: None of this is intended to be exclusionary from an OOC standpoint. There is no rule restricting the roleplay of characters of any kind with characters of any other kind. To be a member of the Galactic Republic means that your character is a citizen of that government. In so doing, that character must abide by the laws and regulations of said government.

The question being asked is not whether or not a writer cna be involved with the Galactic Republic. The question is: what are the consequences for having a dark-side character live under the banner of a traditionally light-side oriented government body?

I, as a writer, recognize the value of having dark-oriented characters as a part of a faction at war. Let's face it, when an assassination needs to be carried out (and not if, this is war), that requires a certain kind of character to take that action. ICly, Tyl would harshly criticize any Jedi willingly offering to carry out an assassination. Having a dark-sider or two around, under the very watchful and controlling eyes of the military or Senate (not the Jedi Order), would mitigate the Jedi from that kind of responsibility. And that's just one example of a much larger, much grittier necessity that war brings.

Tyl, as a character, would have extreme difficulty getting along with a darksider. That's just fact. I believe the majority of Jedi here (not the writers but the characters) would have a similar aversion. Historically, I can't recall a single Dark Jedi to be a member of the Galactic Republic (if there are examples to refute that, I welcome them!). That isn't to say it's not possible, simply pointing out that notion.

So I suppose my suggestion for the possible inclusion for dark side characters, if the authors wish to pursue this route, would be to devote themselves to military matters, or areas where they are best suited. Keeping in mind, of course, that their character needs to make sense in the scenario that they are undertaking. Stopping by on Ossus for a cup of tea and a romp through the training grounds would not be appropriate. Going out and kicking Sith tush would be appropriate. On top of this, any dark side character should be fully aware that partaking in any thread closely with a Jedi could result in some sticky circumstances, especially on initial interaction.

I urge everyone posting from here to resist the urge to resort to bickering and instead place their efforts into coming up with real solutions to an otherwise academic problem. While factions are an IC construct, the point of the entire community of Chaos, not just the GR, is to share in an enjoyable roleplaying experience with other members of the community. Please consider that when interacting with your fellow community and faction members.

And remember folks: have fun.

 

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[Kian Karr]

[member="Megan Rhymes"]

I was using that as a hypothetical to explain one of the reasons the Faction doesn't operate as a Republic, like the IC Faction does. I could have used "crime lord writers" or "crazy power hungry politicians" if I'd wanted to as well. There really is no need to get hung up on the fact that I pointed out Sith as the potential badguys in my clearly hypothetical statements above. I chose Sith because of the canon occurrence that you brought up (i.e., order 66, Palpatine).

This Faction is becoming more of an Inquisition every day.

Quite frankly, I resent this statement. We work very hard to make this faction as inclusive as possible within reason. We are not talking about going after writers OOC who choose to write darksiders among the GR membership. We are talking about the IC issues faced with having darksiders a part of the Republic. We, if the membership feels we should accommodate darkside characters to a greater degree, must come to a consensus (or near enough to one) on how to handle this IC. For example, if we want a greater presence of darkside characters, the Jedi Code of Conduct will have to change or else Jedi and darksiders would never be able to RP together while being members of the same faction (except in instances where Jedi try to arrest them.....and that could get tiring on both sides!). The Military too would have to consider how to work darksiders into the fold. I could see them fitting in nicely with GRIM, whose intelligence work is far more seedy than anything else in the Republic (politicians aside ).

 

[Jsc]

[member="Kian Karr"] Fair enough. After talking with a few other writer's I have been reassured that what I perceived to be a pattern of ill will towards other writers was actually just a small series of misunderstandings. So I'll quit beating a dead horse.

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[Seraphina Shel'tah]

This thread....I don't even know if I want to read the entire thing...Especially since I saw "removed" posts.

Honestly, I don't even know where I stand on this subject. I will need time to read everyone's opinion and formulate my own.

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

Where have you been?

-glares at [member="Seraphina Shel'tah"]-

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Varus Shatterstar"]

I....Um.....

 

[Varus Shatterstar]

-posts up against the wall, crosses his arms and continues to stare while waiting on an answer-

[member="Seraphina Shel'tah"]

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Varus Shatterstar"]

I WAS BUSY! SHEESH. YOU IGNORE MY POSTS ALL WEEKEND MOST OF THE TIME!

*indignant groan* - Anyways.

My take on this:

• We shouldn't disallow darksiders from joining the faction. We have no OOC reason for this.
• We should bar and forbid all darkside and rogue Jedi from joining the Jedi Order of the Galactic Republic.
• We can feasibly ICly distrust any and all darksiders (as a Jedi, NFU typically don't know the difference, even in canon, until they do something evil.)
• The Jedi shouldn't in general welcome with open arms the aide and assistance from darksiders. This should be played out IC with grievances brought to the Republic government.
• The leadership of the Republic generally shouldn't welcome the assistance of darksiders because they should know about the history of the Republic and Sidious.
• Individual characters should always have their own opinions however, and are obviously free to do as they please (assuming they are accepting of any potential consequences.)

I hope that clarifies my standpoint on this matter.