Nemesis Nemonus said:
I agree. Like earlier it was stated that or story telling purposes (lets say the original trilogy) there is only good, jedi ... and bad, sith.
But part of the reason I originally wrote sith was the journey. I'm a bad guy so I am going to be a sith, is boring to me. Too black and white. I like Stackpole's 'I, Jedi' where Corran saw that the line between good and evil is blurred. There is a grey. But the book also goes on to show that their is a definite point where you become bad. But why become bad? The Jenasarri were 'dark' because of their origins, how their tribe had interactions with the jedi that affected how they developed. Even though they were doing good in their eyes thy were still dark. It's toeing the line. But doing the wrong things for the right reasons, like how Anakin 'tried' to be portrayed in the prequel series. The slide to mass murder could be slow filled with small choices that eventually become huge ones.
So are Sith evil, in my opinion yes. But they may not have started off that way (and I'm talking about the individual). The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the ends justify the means.
Now Jedi. I have written jedi, but I prefer sith. As fr them being good, yes that is there purpose. But the jedi have done evil. It was mentiond arlier that the republic were responsible for the annihilation of the sith homeworlds, and the jedi assisted. But the republic were the primary antagonists. So the jedi were the minor antagonists? What about when the republic and the jedi took out mandalore because they didn't fall into the place that the power that be wanted? What about the republic and the jedi using a slave army made of clones and used them like droids, expendable. The jedi are supposed to value life, and yet they willingly used the created army of humans where were ten years old and led them into war. Were the clones paid? No. Sick leave? No. They were used and the jedi went along with it.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
The jedi may not have begun these atrocities, but they allowed them to play out. There is a such a thing as lying by omission. Well the jedi were permissive in their permission of these acts by not standing up.
For the jedi, sometimes the ends did justify the means. And to an order that believed rght is right, and to protect life ... that is the greatest betrayl.
That was my scatter brain two cents lol.
Movies = Jedi = Good ... Sith = Bad
In the world of RP ... characters are individuals who make choices that shape their destiny's
In the real world, it is on an individual scale, and on a "bigger picture" it is Jedi whom are good and Sith whom are bad. Only because of their goals, and how they go about getting there, and why.
In Star Wars logic/lore/etc, it is a bit more gray on the Jedi part, although the Sith are entirely dark. There is no if's and/or but's in this situation. The Jedi are bound to a code that is essentially an ethic, not morality. Morality is based on emotion and good vs evil. The Jedi code is "This is what we do, this is the Jedi way, do it any other way, even if it is "good", it is not the way we do it, thus is not right."
Sometimes things they do are
bad in our subjective opinions, but they do everything to follow the law in a neutral and objective manner. In essence, they are Lawful Neutral in the most extreme and yet loose ways possible.
The sith, however, are more complex in their lawful/neutral/chaotic aspect, but are strictly Evil, though some individuals may lean toward neutral. There is no scheme to strengthen the galaxy with power and do it the "right" way and the "natural way". That is literally what has been canonically stated by Lucas and authors as a way for them to sweet talk you into joining them. It is also a trope, which I can find a link to if I am asked for it.
Edit: The Jedi Order did not participate in the war against Mandalore. It was a group led by Revan and Malak, whom were all expelled from the order for their refusal to listen to the Order, whom did so.
Also, the Jedi protested the use of Clones, which I believe was touched on in the beginning of episode 2. The Jedi do not get to make decisions about the republic, as
Mace Windu: We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers.
