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Declaration of War against the Empire!
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Eternal Father
Malachite the Shoki
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[member="Fydiel Darraq"]
(similarly, no offense... I grew up on this kind of stuff, especially in the last couple years.)
A strong monarchy is far better than a weak democracy. If the ruling monarch is strong and (relatively) just, then the nation/empire/whatever is better for it. If the monarch is weak, they should be deposed and replaced. Sure, there's subterfuge, assassination, and God knows what else, but it's better than having political maneuvering be the form of government...
(similarly, no offense... I grew up on this kind of stuff, especially in the last couple years.)
A strong monarchy is far better than a weak democracy. If the ruling monarch is strong and (relatively) just, then the nation/empire/whatever is better for it. If the monarch is weak, they should be deposed and replaced. Sure, there's subterfuge, assassination, and God knows what else, but it's better than having political maneuvering be the form of government...
Fydiel Darraq
Rogue Four
It's not about whether the monarch is weak; it's about what people expect from their leaders. Monarchs are imposed because they happened to be born to the right people in the right place at the right time; democratic representatives come to power because a majority of the people they represent believe that they can do the job well. Which is likelier to result in good, experienced politicians: choosing whoever happened to be born in the Imperial Palace, or choosing the person whom millions believe to be the best candidate for the job?
Further, what is the defense against a monarch? Democracies have elections, term limits, checks and balances; representatives who fail to do their jobs, or act solely based on their own interests, can be peacefully removed. But what king or emperor is accountable to the people within the bounds of a system? Just as you said with a weak monarch, the only response available is to depose them, probably by force given that they don't want to be deposed. Well, here we are.
[member="Malachite Avachei"]
Further, what is the defense against a monarch? Democracies have elections, term limits, checks and balances; representatives who fail to do their jobs, or act solely based on their own interests, can be peacefully removed. But what king or emperor is accountable to the people within the bounds of a system? Just as you said with a weak monarch, the only response available is to depose them, probably by force given that they don't want to be deposed. Well, here we are.
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[member="Geneviève Lasedri"]
Eternal Father
Never heard of an armed rebellion from individuals outside of the nation.Fydiel Darraq said:
Fydiel Darraq
Rogue Four
The Rebel Alliance isn't starting this; there's a war already happening inside the Remnant every day, it's just not reported as one. They're moving in to give the marginalized the support they need to even the conflict. This isn't the first armed insurrection against the Remnant, either; the people who died on Crina say hello. It's not exactly unprecedented for an outside force to give support to factions inside another power (France and the American Revolution, for example).
Eternal Father
True, very true.
You've bested me on that front.
You've bested me on that front.
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Invasion*Darth Vornskr said:
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[member="Malachite Avachei"]
I don't think you understand the definition of Imperial.
[member="Fydiel Darraq"]
You provide the option of anarchy, an affront to any order. Your very existence creates chaos in the galaxy. Ours brings order and peace. Yes, it's with a firm hand that some do not agree with, but order and peace are worth sacrifices. (Don't worry, I'm being entirely IC here, lol.)
I don't think you understand the definition of Imperial.
[member="Fydiel Darraq"]
You provide the option of anarchy, an affront to any order. Your very existence creates chaos in the galaxy. Ours brings order and peace. Yes, it's with a firm hand that some do not agree with, but order and peace are worth sacrifices. (Don't worry, I'm being entirely IC here, lol.)
Fydiel Darraq
Rogue Four
[member="Davin"]
It's only an invasion if you intend to hold territory. Which the Alliance can't really do due to a lack of ground forces.
We prefer the term "liberation".
[member="Mason Deschart"] (Good, just checking
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You take away the right to choose and call it order. You impose your will and call it peace.
We'll take chaos and the chance at something better over that any day.
It's only an invasion if you intend to hold territory. Which the Alliance can't really do due to a lack of ground forces.
We prefer the term "liberation".
[member="Mason Deschart"] (Good, just checking
)You take away the right to choose and call it order. You impose your will and call it peace.
We'll take chaos and the chance at something better over that any day.
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[member="Fydiel Darraq"]
Your chance at something better often causes lives to be lost for no reason. While YOU MIGHT live in peace, there are others who do not. Your vision is narrow and short sighted. Ours is grand and unlimited.
Your chance at something better often causes lives to be lost for no reason. While YOU MIGHT live in peace, there are others who do not. Your vision is narrow and short sighted. Ours is grand and unlimited.
Fydiel Darraq
Rogue Four
[member="Mason Deschart"]
Grand for you, perhaps. But there are people within your Empire who are willing to sacrifice everything, up to and including their lives, to effect change. What does that say about their situation? Did the dead on Crina rejoice in the peace of your unlimited vision as you cut them down?
The potential we see is quite the opposite of narrow. You see only one way; we simply assert that your particular way is the wrong way. The short-sighted thing to do is to accept the restrictive system, because if it isn't challenged now it will only grow in strength. If there can be no reform now, what can the people of the Remnant do when it holds a dozen worlds and grows still more tyrannical?
Grand for you, perhaps. But there are people within your Empire who are willing to sacrifice everything, up to and including their lives, to effect change. What does that say about their situation? Did the dead on Crina rejoice in the peace of your unlimited vision as you cut them down?
The potential we see is quite the opposite of narrow. You see only one way; we simply assert that your particular way is the wrong way. The short-sighted thing to do is to accept the restrictive system, because if it isn't challenged now it will only grow in strength. If there can be no reform now, what can the people of the Remnant do when it holds a dozen worlds and grows still more tyrannical?
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[member="Fydiel Darraq"]
Those who are the enemies of peace must be dealt with. There were a great many of the Crinan rebels that died, yes, but many were spared that they would find new lives. Our intervention was requested in a war that was centuries old in which the rebels wanted to ruin the world they lived on by crushing the economy. Their rulers were not oppressive, but fair. They just wanted more. We call that greed. If you side with them, you only side with greed, and greed is not something that can exist in peacetime.
Those who are the enemies of peace must be dealt with. There were a great many of the Crinan rebels that died, yes, but many were spared that they would find new lives. Our intervention was requested in a war that was centuries old in which the rebels wanted to ruin the world they lived on by crushing the economy. Their rulers were not oppressive, but fair. They just wanted more. We call that greed. If you side with them, you only side with greed, and greed is not something that can exist in peacetime.
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Sometimes a few need to die to secure peace. Crina was deadlocked in civil war for decades and I'm quite sure the people there would be quite happier with trying to get on with their simple lives rather than fearing for their or their family's life.Fydiel Darraq said:
I like to think of the Imperial Remnant not as a dictatorship, but as a Father Knows Best State. Fatherly and wise, willing to protect and lend a hand but those who threaten peace and order shall be disciplined to the fullest extend and as swiftly as possible.
Sarge Potteiger
Emotional Damage
Big Brother is always watching
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This, absolutely.Davin said:
Davin Jusik
TIE Bomber LT- DREX
Hmm.
P A N [D E M O N] I U M
The Sovereign Nation of Ket Van-Derveld doth hereby declare war on both The Imperial Remnant and The Rebellion.
I have no idea why, but I wanna be cool too!
I have no idea why, but I wanna be cool too!
Juwiela Melec
Disobedient
Well, looks like my first official mission as Rogue Leader will be shooting down a few Imps and leading the Rebels to yet another victory against those who would threaten the relative peace of the galaxy. Sounds like a plan to me.
(OOC note: Really looking forward to all of this. It's gonna be fun.)
(OOC note: Really looking forward to all of this. It's gonna be fun.)
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