Faction Direction

[Aurelia Saelari]

We can either do one more thread, focus only on story and go out with a bang and then focus on little, excellent storyplots revolving under a Rebellion.

Or we can decide to let this 'war' drag on for another half a year, trying to hold onto some fictional territory people dominioned ages ago.

Why are they excellent? In whose opinion? Yours?

Just as well you weren't in charge in WWII. "Oh no, Pearl Harbour was bombed and Wake Island is fallen...time to let the Japs invade Washington and we all become the American Rebellion!"

We are here for story, we ain't here to dance to the tune of the huge swat of land the Republic managed to acquire over the year.

What if people like the story as it is and is not wanting to suddenly become a rag-tag band of rebels? What is the point of that? We've already got Silver Jedi and Levantines for that hippie stuff.


Furthermore, if anyone brings up the example of the One Sith, I'd urge you to remember that they're the ones conniving with our dear leaders right now to do this. Of course they're 'working closely' on it, they love the fact their only opposition is about to give up.

Neither of the options presented are in any way reasonable without including a 3rd...or else you're not asking a poll, your giving people two choices you want and leaving out the one you don't.

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Kiskla Grayson"]

If the Republic and OP merged how much territory would they have to give up? Admittedly I'm not much in the loop on this, but when it seemed like OP would dissolve and merge with either Atrisia or the Republic it would have lost plenty of territory (I was part of OP's leadership then). Less so if it had joined the Pubs, more if it had joined Atrisia due to the disparity in power. Tef had a map for each scenario.

 

[Corvus Raaf]

Not entirely sure I'll add anything new (but perhaps with less offensive language), but that won't stop me saying what I think. And there are a few questions thrown in for good measure too.

And before you read any further, I'm not looking to criticise. The Faction is very inactive (look how many voted in the recent election versus the number of members). A lot of characters say they're Republic but don't seem to be active in Faction threads. So any change has to be good - and it's better to come up with choices than do nothing. And even braver to be prepared to be criticised because the choices aren't to every member's taste.

IC Corvus would never say any of this but…


In true James T. Kirk style, I’m looking for the option where I win – rather than the choice of two where I lose. But that’s the coward’s response. I’ll look to be honest AND constructive.

I'm still muddled if I should be voting IC or OOC (as the answer might be different depending on how I decide - as what's good for the Republic and what's good for Corvus may not be the same thing).

So my thoughts below are as a Jedi - or more specifically as Corvus. So please don’t tell me that your view of the Jedi is different to mine etc. etc. I know that. And don’t tell me I’m wrong. I can’t be wrong, the below reflects my perception. That’s why I call these thoughts ‘opinions,’ not facts.

I get one vote and want to make it count.

Option 1

I don't see the Jedi as part of a coalition. We are peacekeepers and will serve the Republic in that guise. If the Republic choose to join the OP, that is for the Senators to decide, not Jedi.

So, you'd think option 1 suits me?

Except the Grandmaster has a seat on the new Government – which wouldn’t sit well with Corvus who believes 100% in the Jedi Code. And be really clear about this – my point of view (because it is at the end of the day just an opinion) is purely a theoretical perspective and absolutely not a reflection on the current or any future Grandmaster. Jedi serve, not rule.

Option 2

Not sure if this means we become the Rebel Alliance or join the existing Rebel Alliance? In many ways this is my preferred option, although short on detail?

My concern is that this won't be rebels versus Empire (with just two Sith to deal with). Versus a whole Sith army that controls that much of the map – with that much resource at their disposal? And sadly the Sith seem to be able to recruit without effort.


If I had to vote (and please, if you're easily swayed by another’s opinion look away now ) it would be with Option 2. But I’d need to see more detail.

My greatest fear is that we lose Jedi to the precious metal variety or to the One Sith. But then maybe that’s not a bad thing? And again, I’m thinking as a Jedi, not an NFU – it means we could start with a core of dedicated Force-users – ones that believe in the Jedi Code and not pick and choose which bits they like. Or post once at the beginning of a thread, never to be seen again.

And perhaps NFUs will get their mojo from being rebels? My only concern here is that the ‘other’ Rebel Alliance has exactly the same plans – so we'd be splitting the available characters in two.

#justsayin’

 

[Gir Quee]

I'm relatively new here, so please correct me if I'm out of line, but parts of all three of the options could be done at once.

For Option 1,

If people are interested in merging with the Omega Order, it strikes me that there should be some IC movement to bring the two governments closer for this to appear natural and realistic. We could have start a thread which could start closer ties between our factions (trade agreements, mutual defense agreements, exchange of knowledge/training, etc) but that don't bring us formally together as one government

For Option 2.

I admit that my concerns are alongside the lines of Corvus's. An alternative may be to see if we can arrange to have people stay behind the lines of the worlds that were recently conquered and start a resistance movement there, while maintaining the rest of the Galactic Republic as it is(bad example, think of Red Dawn, and the difference between the Wolverines and Free America). This can also be used to delay/stop the Sith's momentum. Even we can't go back to those planets already taken, we can start getting other planets ready for it, and possibly incorporate that into the next time someone invades us.

So since I'm new here, and I've only managed to fully read through a few of the threads so far, could someone tell me if there is a specific reason why we keep losing invasions? Is it a matter of too many RPers against us, tactics, etc? Or are we of different opinions why things can't continue as the way they are?

Thanks in advance for helping a newb out.

 

[The End Narrator]

Option 2: The Republic Falls
&Rebellion Era Begins


Why?
The Republic has lost a lot of IC territory at the hands of The One Sith, and many ranks have been corrupted by their Oracle and methodologies.

So What’s Changing?
The idea is that The One Sith attack Anaxes in the coming month, and give it everything they’ve got. Vong, spaceships, etcetera. And The Republic hits back with everything they can to defend their capital — fleeting in this thread will be included if desired. This thread will be a pretedermined win for The One Sith. Having the stress of winning or losing via PvP will allow us as writers to focus on developing stories within this thread.

Characters will die, babies will be born (Avalore Eden???), it’ll be an epic.

Once Anaxes falls and is turned to rubble, The Republic will be defeated. The influence cloud on the map will be severely reduced and dominated by The One Sith — therefore forcing The Republic to turn into an underground force with no territory. Essentially becoming The Rebel Alliance.

Mission
It’s essential to understand that this idea focuses on a single thread, and relies on you, the writers of the faction, to come together to form a wicked rebellion afterwords, dedicated in flipping the tables of Chaos once again in favour of democracy.

Idea in collaboration w/ Darth Mierin

Yeah, no, this right here - Idea in collaboration w/ Darth Mierin - screams controlled by opposing Faction, outcome outlined by their own hand. I don't care how they spin it, justify or propagate.

Sorry, none for me thanks. *waves hand*

 

[Leon McConnell]

So what you're saying is that thing that Kiskla and I have talked about for a few weeks is One Sith propeganda?

 

[Gir Quee]

So what you're saying is that thing that Kiskla and I have talked about for a few weeks is One Sith propeganda?

I admit, as a newcomer, I don't understand why we're doing the thread.

Is there going to be an exchange, where they lose the next battle after that in return for winning this one? Or is there something else in it for the Republic besides character development?

Otherwise, it does seem a little one-sided deal that heavily favors the Sith to me as well.

EDIT: For clarification, I don't intend this on attack as either Kiskla or Leon, but I am confused. I don't understand why we'd want that outcome for the start, unless there's more to it than what's already been stated.

 

[The End Narrator]

You know I was content not to say anything but frak it. This needs to be said cause [member="Aurelia Saelari"] is right and since this thread came up we have been ranting and laughing about it. Because this is absurd, you leave out the choice most would pick hopefully in favor of rolling over because your decisions and actions led to driving your members away to other factions. you are choosing the path of least effort after all that work of people picking you for faction leader because you were going to offer a new direction for the faction.

What they believed was going to be good stories about fighting the evils has simply become a way out of actually formulating a plan or trying to motivate your members. I said it several times, I will always say it we can stand and fight. Yes we got hit and we have been hit hard we have had leadership running members off whose opinions are different, argumentative leadership who run and make others leave. We have lost invasions... and? We have lost them before we are going to lose them in the future also.

The Republic is the largest faction on the map and you want to get rid of it because what? Because it worked out so well for the Sith... It only worked out well because its leaders took what they used in the Republic (an open faction with ideas and member support) and practiced to get better. They helped make the Republic siccessful by caring about their people instead of folding at the first sign they might have to give some effort. Yes you have done a great job organizing the faction boards, there are some great members, there are some interesting stories.

Our stories mean little when all it takes to lose is the Sith taking two Planets, Coruscant and Alderaan are famous but they are not end of the world. Them taking Anaxas is not end of the world. You move the capital, you work to try and retake what was lost and actually make friends instead of expecting everyone to fall in line with you. You expected what? Everyone would follow your script and jump at the chance to invade the One Sith?

No they wouldn't because the same reasons why the One Sith are so popular is the same reason why some potential allies don't even think about helping. OOC attitude. Merging with the OP is going to actually damage them as a faction, more then likely because a number of their members left the republic, were run off the republic. Now you want to force them to have to follow you again? They'd leave that faction and you'd gain maybe a small handful of the few who don't mind.

So option one actually hurts two factions, the few who don't want a merger and leave or just stop posting. While option two of just folding and becoming a rebellion makes little to no sense. We have to much territory and losing one world if it took that to destroy the Republic then shame. Even the Empire held out for awhile after Palpatine died. We need the third option of actually choosing to write our stories, actually choosing to stand and make something of a stand that can show the Republic has some pride.

[member="Memorial"] has soem good ideas, [member="Aurelia Saelari"] is on the money for this. If you can't do that and have already thrown in the towel then I suggest new leadership and someone who actually cares about the faction. Yes I am sure you care deep down but that only goes to when it is doing good, when it gets tough you'd rather we fold and give up. Yeah I said I wanted the sith to win, yeah I admit it freely and why because the more they won hopefully the quicker we would get to having a new leadership that could try something new.

Because the new direction was failing hard. I can admit it, I can be proud of it because in all of this you tagged me for this thread and I have dedicated nearly a year to this faction. Seeing it go away would be sad after all the work that went into trying to save it. Another thing I have said many times and will say still. Trent/[member="Selena Halcyon"] might have been an A-hole but he saved this faction, be brought it back from the brink and suggested a merger like this when the Republic was at its height. Joshua Dragonsflame tried to keep that vision and failed.

Now it has come here and the Republic is about to fall again after nearly a year of surviving. Trent might not have been the most popular leader but he was the most effective, he worked to make sure the Republic was a place people wanted to be. You and Popo sure were the more popular leaders but you drove the republic into the ground and have brought it to the brink where there is now a choice between either possibly killing two factions or killing the largest because you don't want to try and save it.

And I voted for 2 in absence of a third option, the Republic if it is going to fall should not endanger the Protectorate by forcing itself on them and possibly driving some of its members off who dislike the Republic. Like I said you tagged me in this thread and here i am going into rant mode because I saw the Sith Empire do this the major difference was they actually had a plan beyond "wouldn't it be a cool story" by building the One Sith and preparing them to come back.

Syn,

I'm going to stop you right there.

Your own actions drove you to another Faction, hands down.

No one else, stop blaming others, hold yourself accountable. I grow tired of watching you sit there and blame everyone else except yourself in cases such as this.

And please stop bringing up Trent. Remind me of an old person that is reliving the days of glory that have been long since gone.

So, this is one reason why I have not wrote on the forums, this dramatic bullpoodoo involving the Republic. Started out when I was Faction Administrator, I did everything I could and all I got from 95% was a bunch of whining and complaining about how I "ruled with an Iron Fist!" Give me a break, you people leave no other options on the table, you complain about the situation but present no other solution.

What would you have the Republic do?

Let me present fact:

Republic has an invasion: You write Silver Jedi Alts, One Sith Alts or other alternates besides Republic. Why? You claim variety.

Republic has to defend: See above.

Republic needs stories and assistance in motivation: You expect the leaders to do it for you. Be it Kiskla, Popo, myself or someone else within the higher echelons. There are a handful of exceptions where I have seen newer and more motivated members take the initiative outside of the Republic forums. Why? Cause you're scared of the One Sith dropping in and killing you? Attacking? Ect? I don't know, someone might need to explain that one to me.

All I have heard is all this complaining, whining, entitlement and cater to me! How about some selfless service? How about less pandering and more production to the Faction and what can we do to make it better?

Be honest, Jamie/Syn/Saki/Knight/Ikea or whatever it's called/and a thousand other alternates - Look in the mirror. You drove yourself out.

Be honest, Valeria/Aurelia/ - Has anyone beyond the motivated newer members shown initiative to fight? How many have gone "Lemme roll the dice..." Or "Lemme just write my alternates cause the Republic leadership made me childishly angry today..." I mean come on, really? Who beyond the newer members has been committed?

I'm sure this will come with it's own flames of hate and "I've been an ally!" Ok, this isn't about Alliances or friends, this is about the members who make claims as Syn has. So we're going to keep moving forward.

You guys wanna keep fighting? Then actually stand up and fight, don't make a vote on this and just say "I choose neither option!" I don't see anywhere where [member="Kiskla Grayson"] has put a GUN TO YOUR HEAD and said "HEY VOTE OR YOU'RE OUT!"

You wanna fight? Put up or shut up, stop writing your damn alternates in Invasions when the Pubs need you most.

You wanna fight? Start producing stories beyond falling to the dark side and boosting the ego of the One Sith and their members about how many Jedi have fallen. Start following the rules of the Jedi Order regarding engagements and such.

You wanna fight? Actually do something to make NFUs feel welcome, biggest problem, NFUs don't feel welcome.

You wanna fight? I have seen no Invasion, Dominion, Intelligence gathering, nothing from any Republic member. I never said I was innocent either.

 

[Corvus Raaf]

I'm in danger of overstepping the mark here - but better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

I'm a little disappointed that after "a few weeks" of discussion, these are the only two options on the table. If a decision has been made, just let me know and I can act accordingly.

If this is a genuine discussion and debate, why not start it "a few weeks" ago, when all options were on the table?

And I am not saying either option has Corvus running off in a huff. I'm here to RP whatever the outcome - and it will be done IC - regardless of the consequences.

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Leon McConnell"]

No.

*shoos*

I showed you the excerpt in Skype.

 

[Ayden Cater]

Confusion's understandable, but it did bring to light the need for me to use this face to avoid any further confusion.

[member="Corvus Raaf"]

Why not a few weeks ago?

Good question.

When I first came up with the idea, I spoke with Popo about it as he was the Faction Leader at the time. We had some back and forth, but he felt it better to pass the decision and ultimate burden onto the next Faction Leader. And I agreed with him. When I found out who the two contenders for faction leader were in the vote, I began talking with both of them on the matter.

Why not discuss it with the faction back then?

Mostly this was done because at the time, all we had was an idea; let's merge OP and the Republic to make a kickass super faction. And that's not good enough. We needed to have more. We needed to have organization down, we needed IC justifications, we needed to have more to present to you guys to show that this wasn't some haphazard decision made with a little too much booze one night. The job of a faction leader is to be an example, to help lead and guide the faction. We couldn't very well hope to create that impression if all we had was "Let's do the thing!"

 

[The End Narrator]

See, the Omega Protectorate and the Galactic Republic merging is not what people believe it to be.

If they did merge, it's for the better, it's enabling the Republic to actually have a better chance at surviving than struggling as some (Even within her ranks!) wish it to do so, you know, just for story or because they have alternates in every opposing faction so they can do as they want? No clue there.

Anyways, it's allowing the Republic to grow in every facet without burdening IC aspects. It's also giving writers more chances to writer NFUs, more opportunities for both sides of the ball, both Republic and OP.

I'm also sorry but we may have more numbers on paper, but we don't have as many members as you guys think we do.

Either way, it's winning both IC and OOC.

 

[Ayden Cater]

[member="Aleister Grey"]

There are already some IC threads started to support Option 1.

Next up, I'm going to take offense to what [member="Aurelia Saelari"] said.

Not for the accusations of OP's alleged weakness and how we'd be a burden (We've won the last four out of five invasions we've been in, by the way), or how we'd be nothing but a burden.

Instead I'm going to take offense at her remarks about [member="Kiskla Grayson"].

Once my computer finishes restarting.

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Ayden Cater"]


Is that IC thread the one where Ayden is talking to Aurelia? Because her response is...not enthusiastic. Likewise it seems that in the senate thread, where for some reason a merger was brought up despite the debate being about an entirely different bill, it's being treated without enthusiasm as well. As for invasions, OP lost its attempted liberation of Coruscant. Including the Starfall. This makes it very dubious for the Republic to want to join it. And it barely made check-in.


OP is undoubtedly an asset on the naval front because it has a superior fleet...but then that would require fleeting to be more than background noise. The few NFUs it has active are hardly sufficient to reinvigorate the Republic's ground forces.


EDIT: Speaking of which, what do the members of OP think about this? At present there's no discussion thread on their forums. After all, needless to say it affects them as well.

 

[Persephone Callas]

And what do the members of the Omega Protectorate think about this if it has been discussed?

 

[The End Narrator]

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"]

It was not treated with enthusiasm by a select few, if everyone created a Senator to have a view there would be a starker contrasts in excitement to apprehension.

Yeah, I brought it up during the Military Expansion, on purpose. Why? Because every single individual was ignoring it otherwise. You guys need to wake up to reality Out of Character. This faction is on a crash course to the Rebellion even if you don't want it to, it's that simple.

It's not defeatism, pessimistic outlooks or anything negative - it's called reality. It's what happens when you have an entitlement attitude and demand everything be handed to you on a silver platter and when there is nothing else to hand out, well then I don't know what else to say.

We are unpopular, ideals and general consensus about the Republic is never good for a variety of reasons, alot of people aren't motivated enough to change direction and even some are desiring us to fail for their own stories on the other side of the ball. Sorry, but it's time for a new coat of paint.

 

[Kiskla Grayson-Matteo]

To the enthusiastic points about a trio of selectable options, a third option has been added.

Which is fair, because I asked you to select the option which makes you want to write.

Your votes are editable, and you can make a different selection than your premiere if you've already voted.

Thanks.

 

[Torill Holgor]

And what do the members of the Omega Protectorate think about this if it has been discussed?

I am sure they love the idea. They inherit the entire faction and all of it's planets. Since every effort to spurn NFU RP here has failed they also get all of our tech along with the IC command positions.

You don't think Ayden would be pushing for it so hard if there was any chance of OP actually losing something in the deal do you?

 

[Corvus Raaf]

[member="Ayden Cater"]

I genuinely appreciate the feedback and clarity.



In terms of the wider discussion, I've said what I wanted and I'll wait for the outcome and I appreciate the opportunity to have had my opinion heard.

And Corvus will IC react to whatever the Republic decides. As a Jedi, I serve not rule.

 

[Persephone Callas]

I am sure they love the idea. They inherit the entire faction and all of it's planets. Since every effort to spurn NFU RP here has failed they also get all of our tech along with the IC command positions.You don't think Ayden would be pushing for it so hard if there was any chance of OP actually losing something in the deal do you?

Actually there has been no discussion in the Omega Protectorate forums and none in their Skype chat based on other OP Members.

The majority left the Republic to go to Omega because of the simple fact that OP isn't the Republic .

A clear vote and discussion in their forums would make their thoughts and concerns clear I'm sure, to avoid assumptions.