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Memorial said:
[member="Michael Sardun"]

THat is not the only point Sardun, you guys may not care but i am someone who has put a year into this, had Yusan fight for the republic and serve on the senate repeatably. And even after being called a traitor, falsely mind you, twice and

There people like Syn that has been here for longer than most, that have given their support and pushed to make this faction great and create something that we can all be proud to call home. When i first joined, it was the alt of the Jedi Master Dragonsflame (Who also because of the recent change in leadership to the Popo/Kiskla/Mouse Triumvirate) and it was tthe reason that i am still here today. His and Harkness as chars were a single greatest thing when i started out here and they made me want to uphold this place as it has been since coming here.

I have nothing against you Popo or Kiskla, but you are not the leaders that Trent, Josh, or Syn have been in the past. You divided the faction numerous times, you caused many people to leave and join the Sith or OP in me and @Zarro's case, and if i had not had a level head i would still be gone, and probably laughed at you two for this whole situation before going to remake the republic on my own anyways because it deserves its chance to succeed when we only lost a campaign of three battles.

Its also not about just holding on to this, as Michael put it, Fictional swat that is useless. That Fictional Swat is the single most obvious showing of our hard work as a faction it is the visage of our sweat and tears (figuratively) in creating the best damn faction on the board.

So i am saying this now, If you disband or merge us Popo and Kiskla, I Will leave for good, and create the New Republic, and do was you should have done because you are not going to destroy the very thing that Yusan has been Devoted too. And i am sure there are others that would agree.
-dealing with the OOC bullpoodoo that followed from Mouse and others in the skype chat.-

I'm going to ask you not use my name associated with non-factual information. Beyond that, I'm not discussing this, nor arguing about it. Same thing I told another person above, waaaaaaaay up there. You made your bed, sleep in it or change the sheets. I don't care.

I'm going to move on now, as this is becoming mucked up with threats of "Don't you dare do this or I'm going to leave for good!!!" You know, the saber rattling.
 

Torill Holgor

Guest
I ................. well................. you know what I don't even know how to respond to this any more. The whole idea of if you want something fight for it on one page and on the next page reduce that fight to smack talk/whining/saber rattling/disrespect what have you is just................ wow.

Kiskla doesn't want to discuss her own ideas to possibly alleviate concerns or clarify confusion but sit back tossing up a meaningless like here and there, while I was sure I knew at least where Aaralyn stood I am not even sure anymore, the only person in this whole thing of options even trying to fight for there idea is Ayden and even though I don't necessarily agree with him on this venture I can respect his presence here fighting for his position in this process.

At this point we may as well just close the discussion part and just let people click 1, 2, or 3 for the next week and let the chips fall where they will.
 
-Shakes head and chuckles- What ever you say Mouse. My point though goes out to... [member="Theodosius"] . Who said we have to stay stagnant if we remain the republic. You make it sound like there is no chance for recovery and no shot at creating story by remaining as we are now. I may be a bit hot headed right now, but it is because of people putting forth those very words that we have no shot of being able to fight for remaining as we are. So we lost nearly all the Jedi Masters, and so we lost two of the most important planets scenery wise.

But there are many things that could be done. We could sue for peace with the Sith, and Exile the remaining Jedi, or we could continue to fight the Sith with the help of people like the Shadow Empire and the Mandalorians. We could do an infinite number of things, and all it takes is hard work. That is why the Sith are beating us right now, it is not because they are all powerful, it is because they were willing to recover and rebuild after the repeated failures of the New Order and the Sith Council. Things have always been difficult, and Option One if i may (And nothing against you [member="Ayden"] Catar) is a bad idea solely because it is destroying that chance to succeed where we have failed in the past.

Look i know we all are tired of losing, we all are tired of the people leaving the faction and causing more problems. I get it. But that does not give any of us the right to just lay down and take it while the sith get to laugh as we collapse from the inside out.
 
I will address concerns, as I mentioned in my introductory post.
I have a very limited schedule and can only invest sentences here and there until later.

This is also a forum for discussion, not just me fighting for one option over the other. I want you all to discuss.

I'd also like to see this passion you have for the Republic exemplified in posts, not just OOC discussion.

Thanks!
 
[member="Memorial"] when I said that it was not meant stagnate IC. I do not want to get into that because people seem heated enough and I very well would like to see people cool down and talk about positive things.

I will say this. What difference does it make if we are called The Republic or the Galactic Alliance? Really it just looks like OP and TR are merging IC closer to the ear of influence that the Old Republic had the only differences in government is minor and it is still very much the same. Yes it seems more militarized just like the old republic was during the clone wars. This time there is more oversight and one person does not have all of the control. Still it is the republic with a shinny fancy name to make it look more important and like it is actually doing something. Lol
 
My official stance: People want pandering and to be catered to for their own storyline and purposes on other ends and don't care if the Republic is successful or not. Will I continue to pull for the Republic? Of course. Will I pander and cater to the vast majority? No, I never have and never will go against my belief and value system outside of here, sorry.

Do I believe the Republic has what it takes to continue the fight? No. That much has been clear for a long time.

Do I support a merger? Yes, I wasn't one of the first to support or endorse the ideal. Probably way before my time.

Do I believe that the Republic can change direction? No. Realistic approach to this.

So we lost nearly all the Jedi Masters, and so we lost two of the most important planets scenery wise.

I think that statement says enough. Conquest, this is not. The Jedi Masters lost was mostly by choice of writers...*shrugs*

Moot.

*moves on*
 
[member="Theodosius"]

Its not just that to be honest, its that we are doing this so soon, when there is plenty of time to continue fighting and resisting. I know it gets old, but if people truly want a story then why not work towards the current one. Why do we have to change to fit the...same mold that Atrisia did or in the case of going rebellion change to fit what the Sith Empire did. We still have Kaut, we still have Anaxes, we have Tython, and Rendili. Imagine right there are four places that have yet to be scathed. We could also still do this all later but what im asking is for the chance to get a new drive and to actively push for the continuation of the faction we all joined and made possible.
 
Thick skin people.

Gots to have it our Chaos will chew you up and spit you out.

That being said - I can understand and appreciate the merits of all routes. Regardless of which is chosen, this faction remains your faction. Maybe it won't exist as the Republic - take heart and pride in an opportunity to develop it regardless of the name. The community will remain, the ideals (more or less) remain. Governments will always rise and fall...that is their nature. I, personally, would enjoy writing the story of this government's struggle in the wake of near complete defeat or the revitalization of determination and strength of purpose in the forging of a new government.

[member="Ayden Cater"] and [member="Kiskla Grayson"] - leadership blows, my hat is off to you for even trying. You're better people than I.

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"] - you too bro ;)
 

Torill Holgor

Guest
Nobody is asking you to fight for one option or the other. However as it is your initiative you helped plan surely you would be able to answer questions about how it would translate IC, what each one would mean for the writers in this faction instead of us running around guessing.


I guess the four IC threads I have running at the same time and a fifth I offered to due to help out a Fleeter don't count as exemplification of the same things I am pushing for in this thread.

Must just be that NFUs don't matter mentality I was told about.

Guess I should just go sit in the corner and be quiet like a good little writer before I get banned.
 
[member="Ayden Cater"]

Well actually, back during the time when the Sith offered us peace, i can tell you the faction had said no at first because i believe the quote was. "We can't give up the Jedi because they are the most important thing in the republic at the moment."
 
If the majority of the Republic are Jedi, I can tell you it's pretty obvious Jedi are really important to the faction. Like, imagine if all Jedi characters just left the faction. What would be left? Nearly nothing.

That's why Jedi are important. But that doesn't mean NFUs are less important. They are, but in a different way. If Jedi make up the majority, NFUS bring diversity and fun. That's what it's all about. Both are quite equally important.
 
Marcello Matteo said:
Thick skin people.

Gots to have it our Chaos will chew you up and spit you out.

That being said - I can understand and appreciate the merits of all routes. Regardless of which is chosen, this faction remains your faction. Maybe it won't exist as the Republic - take heart and pride in an opportunity to develop it regardless of the name. The community will remain, the ideals (more or less) remain. Governments will always rise and fall...that is their nature. I, personally, would enjoy writing the story of this government's struggle in the wake of near complete defeat or the revitalization of determination and strength of purpose in the forging of a new government.

[member="Ayden Cater"] and [member="Kiskla Grayson"] - leadership blows, my hat is off to you for even trying. You're better people than I.

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"] - you too bro ;)
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At the expense of [member="Marcello Matteo"] and because I knew he was doing hair commercials but I didn't know it was this serious! Also because this thread has become a bit serious with threats of "Imma leave!" Nerdquit, ragequit, and general QQing!. Either way, I value the opinions of alot of you and mutually respect all of you as writers - regardless if I like you personally or not.

Simply put.

That being said, I think people should really do this the old fashioned way: Pros and Cons.

But hey, it's ok. My thoughts and opinions are my own and hold little weight :D.
 
Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Okay.

[member="Kiskla Grayson"], you're awesome, babe. Keep on keepin' on, you're doing great.

Everyone else take a deep, deep, deeeeep breath. Pet a puppy. Read a book. Watch a movie. Kiss your gal/guy/gramma. Chase a kitty. Fold your clothes. Clean your room. Do your homework. Eat some food, savor it, enjoy it.

This is a game.

This does not matter.

This will not decide the fate of your real life.

If the internet is making you so angry that you're willing to get nasty to people on the other side of a computer screen, then you need to reconsider your priorities.

That said-

I'm on both sides of the coin here, concerning things between the Pubs and OP. I've got a char in both factions, albeit Avalore is far more active than my OP alt. I've seen the ups and downs of both factions, I've tried to help where and when I could. Like many members, I work full time and have a very busy schedule outside of internet timies. I do my best to be involved, but I simply don't have the time to participate in Invasions with any hope to keep up. My contributions to the Republic are thin, but where they exist I have tried very hard to make them positive and enjoyable. This character has been put through the ringer and I've really enjoyed every piece of her story that has developed alongside the Jedi, the Republic, the Sith, and this whole war going on. I've made lots of new friends and helped create lots of new stories despite change, loss, and strange interruptions of the Darkside kind. This is what it's all about people: writing a story about conflict, dealing with the challenges thrown your way, soldiering on despite poor odds.

Let me tell you, the truth of the matter right now for the Republic is this: we're at poor odds.
The truth of the matter right now for OP is this: they're at poor odds.

Both factions are floundering in their own ways, regardless of whether you want to see it or not. It's happening.

What can we do about this? We can meet these challenges head on and make the most of the story as it grows and molds and forms.

We have reached a dry crossroads here with the Republic's story. We're battered, broken, bruised, and smarting from the beat-down by OS. Sure, we've got the biggest blob on the map, but we've got the least cohesive memberbase on this entire forum, and it's been this way for some time. People are constantly nattering, arguing, and generally being nasty to one another. Guess what guys - things will never work out if it continues on this way.

Change is the only constant, and we need it bad.

We've been given two really awesome ideas to consider here by Kiskla, one of which has already been in discussions for some time, the other is something that is a potentiality. Nowhere was it ever written that "Yep, this is it. Flip a coin boys and girls cause it's not going down any other way."

This was Kiskla's first major proposition as FO and you guys have let her down hard.

We elected her, damn-near unanimously. The majority of us happily voted for her. We're a basket full of peanuts, guys, and I didn't really see anyone else chomping at the bit for the job. Hell, I don't even think Kiskla put herself up as a choice. She didn't, actually. I, me, Avalore Eden, was the first person to put her name down. Sorry guys, it's my fault that we now have a competent, intelligent, thoughtful person for a leader who may or may not have missed the first rule of putting up votes as an FO. (For the record, Kiskla, the rule is: always give the option of "I don't like these options. Let's do something else.") Because people need to have their two cents, no matter what sort of member they are.

Cut her some slack guys and stop being mean. It's uncouth and nobody likes being on the receiving end of Nasty Negative Nancys. Not you, not me, not Kiskla. Nobody.


So - to my vote.

I was the jerk that tied all three votes at 7.

I am for the merger, and here's why:

Both OP and Republic are struggling with activity.
A merger of the two factions will absolutely help boost activity by providing more things for the members to complain about (because we all know that's the best fuel for the waning activity flame), a fresh new story that both fronts must take into IC consideration, and a chance for two very creative minds of Kiskla and Ayden to collude and work together to figure this whole thing out.

It will force, yes force, one cohesive story upon both factions.
Aside from having a common enemy and war, that's about all these two factions have going at the moment that unites their members. The Republic is the most divided I have seen it since first joining SWRP over a year ago, both OOCly and ICly. We don't have a common goal, we don't have a common story. Everyone does whatever they want, and even though that's ok, we still need to have that one big reason to come together and it shouldn't only ever be reliant on war.

Having two reliable leaders is a good thing.
Though Kiskla may be new to the FO position, what I have seen of her both OOC and IC and what I have read from her is very promising in my opinion. She's done well to set a good example for new writers, she goes out of her way to be friendly with everyone, she puts forth a noticeable effort to craft fun and engaging stories for the members, and though I've had very little personal interaction with her, everything I hear about her from those that have is good. Ayden is another steadfast icon of this forum. He might be slow to post at times (a lot of us are guilty of this) but he is reliable and dependable and a solid writer. He is a well of good ideas, and he has shown time and again that he can and will be the better man for the purpose of good story. He's willing to talk things through, make things work, make sacrifices, and be honest. In a merger between the two factions, I have absolutely no fear of there being unfair discrepancies or decisions. I am confident in the ability of these two to come to fair terms, to include the members in the process, and do their best to make it a positive engagement.

The opportunity for story and development is amazing.
Every member will have a job in making this merger work. Down to the very last soldier, senator, and padawan. From assessing defenses of newly drawn territories to building a new presence for the Senate; meshing ideas between militaries to dallying out shared technologies. You're worried about OP gaining all of Republic's tech? Guys. GUYS. Have you seen the tech that OP has at their disposal? Have you seen the freaking awesome ships Ayden has in his fleet? The idea of combining our tech and military powers alone is mind-boggling. You're afraid that the NFU's are going to go by the wayside in favor of the Jedi? OP is built upon the muscle and minds of NFU's. Ayden knows how to make use of NFUs, there will be plenty of need for them. The list here goes on and on and on.

With our powers combined, we are Captain Pla- er, we will smash the OS!
If you think we stand a chance of stopping the hurt-train that is OS alone, then darling you're delusional. The same could be said for OP. I don't know about you guys, but I'm less concerned about losing our name than I am about the continuing damage OS will rend upon us if something isn't done soon. Every victory they gain over us and other factions is a strike to morale, IC and OOC. From a writer's standpoint I am in love with the scene set by this war with OS. It has given me so many opportunities to write really fun, engaging stories that have shaped Avalore as a character immensely. I am drooling over the opportunity to formulate a new, super awesome story with OP to curb-stomp the Sith. I want to taste victory folks! I'm tired of this bran-mash defeat. But I also want to struggle a bit, you know? Because insta-win is never fun or fulfilling, that's why nobody really likes dominions all that much.

Galactic Alliance is a cool name.
I'm gonna go a bit shallow here. It is. I think so. It sort of rolls off the tongue and you have to fill your lungs to really enunciate it properly. That's a powerful name there, guys.

I'd rather be an Ally than a Rebel Rouser.
The idea of guerrilla warfare as a Rebellion on the run is a bit taxing for me and looking at our track record with invasions - if we're honest with ourselves, guys, I don't think we have it in us to last much longer if we go full-tilt Rebellion. I don't want to be on the run, I want to have a safehouse. I want to feel like I've got something strong to count on when things get hairy. I don't feel that right now about the Republic. I feel like things are crumbling. I feel like our foundations have been washed out.

The ability to rebrand two historically successful factions will be good for PR.
We could make this awesome. We really could. We could become the megalith of the forums. Investing our time into a new image, a new standard, will absolutely bring more members. Activity breeds activity. Positivity breeds positivity. Both of these will bring interest. If we can all get behind the same idea, same banner, and start moving in the same direction, I know we'll build that steam back up. And when people see our hurt-train on the move, they're gonna want to be part of it because everyone loves being part of something great. That's why OS is doing so well, so let's learn from their success and steal their thunder.
 
I foolishly put this on 'follow' and woke up with 56 notifications. 56! Urg.

Either way, I will address some points made in relation to myself and to the question at large.

[member="Ayden Cater"]
It is nothing personally directed at you...or even really at OP. The issue is simply that merging GR and OP does not guarantee better times. It's factual to say that OP only just made check-in, and factual to say that some of those writers are here as well.
Will that additional influx of people lead to more activity? It's probable in the short term, as people jump on the new toy. But then, the underlying factors draining OP and GR of its strength will eventually resurface. Merging does not guarantee success.

However, since I've had 8 hours of sleep I've cooled a little from my militant righteousness. If I have offended or upset anyone by my words, I apologise.
So that said I'll give my opinion of the now 3 options (thanks [member="Kiskla Grayson"] for adding number 3).

Merging:
Pros:
  • Influx of new members and new ideas will lead to a boost in posting.
  • Addition of the Protectorate fleet and their resources will be of benefit IC.
  • New leadership style has promise IC and OOC.
Cons:
  • Will activity boost be short lived?
  • Additional territory to defend; inherited conflicts from OP and Republic may dilute effectiveness.
  • New organisation does not solve underlying problems regarding the Jedi Order.

Downfall:
Pros:
  • Significant break with the past will give all members and factions a chance to start fresh.
  • Consistent with established canon.
  • Will possibly allow integration with fragment Jedi orders.
Cons:
  • If faction remains major it still has to defend planets, if minor it has no way of really hurting the Sith.
  • Automatic, pre-determined defeat unpalatable to many.
  • Forsaking much of the work undertaken over the last year in exchange for a clean break.

Fighting on:
Pros:
  • Retain the spirit of the Republic.
  • Chance to revitalise the faction with new leadership and continue the fight.
  • Retain all that has been won so far.
Cons:
  • Does not solve problems with activity and disunity.
  • Greater member enthusiasm and participation needed.
  • The 'middle way' can be an excuse to do nothing.

As I see it, there are three options. If I was sure that we could count on the enthusiasm and participation of the whole faction I'd categorically suggest fighting on. However, I can't promise that as I don't know if it's true. So my suggestion is, in order:
  1. Fighting on
  2. Merger
  3. Collapse
I urge either option rather than collapse as that wastes so much effort for little gain or justification.
 

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