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Derisive Umbaran
Yeah, some more scrutiny on check-ins would do us good in terms of map space.
In fact, surprise major faction check-in. Right now. One writer per faction. No excuses, no compromises. Then kayak down the river of tears that forms.
In fact, surprise major faction check-in. Right now. One writer per faction. No excuses, no compromises. Then kayak down the river of tears that forms.
The End Narrator
Narrator
Darth Janus said:
Although I do agree, I haven't really seen much check-in stuff regarding Factions, ect.
However, I am still about the new, freshness that is needed.
Keanu Shan
Call Sign: "Chatter"
Ok, so Im opposed to a reset, but... If we had to have one I would love to see a return of the celestials, for instance a lost colony of them returning. If i was doing it i would draw heavy influence from Halo's Forerunners. hard light weapons, and some sort of force based technology. Another idea i just had, the galaxy is purged of the Force for some vague reason, and manifests itself in a different way.
nihil
On another site that I participated, we required that every faction have a specific number of 'default' members in order to be allowed to continue. Simply put, every 'writer' could default a single faction, though they could be part of a number of factions. We did IP checks and the whole shibang on alts, and this allowed for the removal of more stagnant groups or ones that were a 'flash in the pan.' Example. I have 5 character, but I default Rev to One Sith. My other four characters cannot default to any faction and thus, cannot count towards the necessary numbers required every month to maintain staying as a faction.
Invasion wise, we organized much differently, but simply put: The longer that you didn't actively write on a planet, the more diminished your presence became. For instance, if your faction controlled a planet but hadn't done meaningful writing on that planet in over 2 months, another faction could effectively train roll that planet and take it because...well, what's the point in you controlling that planet if you aren't going to write on it. In a fashion, that ties planets to the user base and what the members are actually willing to write towards. Did this cause "popcorn" stories to maintain control? Sure, but planets still fall through the cracks and then, suddenly, those smaller factions find low hanging fruits to pluck. It could be done here, but it would require a bit more work (surprise checks on factions, give them five days to report a significant rp for each planet they control, note the date, go from there. I could be more specific about the process, but I'm not sure it's necessary). If stagnation is the issue, it can be rectified without pressing the wipe button.
But the question is this: Should the map wipe be done? I don't think I have the answer and I think there are pros and cons to both sides. But to just wipe the board, we are saying this: We value peoples spontaneous writing over their IC accomplishments and faction organization. Whether that's the intent or not, it doesn't really matter. Those things are being swept aside in order for rejuvenation of writing. And what that says to me is that when push comes to shove, and stagnation occurs, the map is the first thing that falls in the cross-hairs. Now, full disclosure, when I read that a map wipe had potential to occur, my gut response was high fives all around. Awesomesauce! But the more I think about it, the more I realize that people enjoy this sort of writing for different aspects of it. I like dueling, I like epic gruesome story telling, and I love development. Some people like companies. Some people like fleets. Some people love the codex, some people love the factory. And some people love to develop their factions. I would as quickly remove everyone's accomplishments as I would take away my dueling. Both of which, I think, are very important to this board in their own way.
Sure, we should care about the people who stay after the wipe...instead of those who leave. But as much as that is important, so is the notion of precedence. You want dominions, you want more wars, you want more change and movements? Well, the looming threat of a map wipe is hardly the sort of motivation that's gonna cause that. People are going to see that and think...well, what's the point? I'll just stick to private role playing now, go do some duels, keep out of factions. After all, whats the point...because the moment that OTHER factions start to gobble up territories and stagnate; my planets, my accomplishments, will be tossed away to balance things. Once again, not saying that this will occur for everyone, but it will occur nonetheless.
Just rambling and thoughts. I think a re-alignment makes more sense. But if it comes to it, make it a galactic event and let the user base fight against it. If we truly are so hung up against this idea of a map wipe, let us fight it IC (whatever force that is causing it). That sort of prospect excites me more than just a simple map wipe (though truth be told, seeing as though you have yet to even discuss this with the staff formally, this could very well be something you've considered. Or not...that's fine too).
Invasion wise, we organized much differently, but simply put: The longer that you didn't actively write on a planet, the more diminished your presence became. For instance, if your faction controlled a planet but hadn't done meaningful writing on that planet in over 2 months, another faction could effectively train roll that planet and take it because...well, what's the point in you controlling that planet if you aren't going to write on it. In a fashion, that ties planets to the user base and what the members are actually willing to write towards. Did this cause "popcorn" stories to maintain control? Sure, but planets still fall through the cracks and then, suddenly, those smaller factions find low hanging fruits to pluck. It could be done here, but it would require a bit more work (surprise checks on factions, give them five days to report a significant rp for each planet they control, note the date, go from there. I could be more specific about the process, but I'm not sure it's necessary). If stagnation is the issue, it can be rectified without pressing the wipe button.
But the question is this: Should the map wipe be done? I don't think I have the answer and I think there are pros and cons to both sides. But to just wipe the board, we are saying this: We value peoples spontaneous writing over their IC accomplishments and faction organization. Whether that's the intent or not, it doesn't really matter. Those things are being swept aside in order for rejuvenation of writing. And what that says to me is that when push comes to shove, and stagnation occurs, the map is the first thing that falls in the cross-hairs. Now, full disclosure, when I read that a map wipe had potential to occur, my gut response was high fives all around. Awesomesauce! But the more I think about it, the more I realize that people enjoy this sort of writing for different aspects of it. I like dueling, I like epic gruesome story telling, and I love development. Some people like companies. Some people like fleets. Some people love the codex, some people love the factory. And some people love to develop their factions. I would as quickly remove everyone's accomplishments as I would take away my dueling. Both of which, I think, are very important to this board in their own way.
Sure, we should care about the people who stay after the wipe...instead of those who leave. But as much as that is important, so is the notion of precedence. You want dominions, you want more wars, you want more change and movements? Well, the looming threat of a map wipe is hardly the sort of motivation that's gonna cause that. People are going to see that and think...well, what's the point? I'll just stick to private role playing now, go do some duels, keep out of factions. After all, whats the point...because the moment that OTHER factions start to gobble up territories and stagnate; my planets, my accomplishments, will be tossed away to balance things. Once again, not saying that this will occur for everyone, but it will occur nonetheless.
Just rambling and thoughts. I think a re-alignment makes more sense. But if it comes to it, make it a galactic event and let the user base fight against it. If we truly are so hung up against this idea of a map wipe, let us fight it IC (whatever force that is causing it). That sort of prospect excites me more than just a simple map wipe (though truth be told, seeing as though you have yet to even discuss this with the staff formally, this could very well be something you've considered. Or not...that's fine too).
The Forgotten One
[member="Reverance"] is right, and several others have kicked this idea around, during check ins it should be one writer can only check in for one faction. Whatever happens to the map, this is a rule edit that should get consideration.
Delila Castillon
#OldRedheadsReign
I personally like a map reset. Mainly because :
HK-36
The Iron Lord Protector (Neutral Good)
I have never felt as strong [member="Reverance"] for you as I feel right now
[member="Delila Castillon"], you just want to watch me suffer and become the Lord Protector That Lost All Of His Territory Not Even A Month After He Took Over >.>
[member="Delila Castillon"], you just want to watch me suffer and become the Lord Protector That Lost All Of His Territory Not Even A Month After He Took Over >.>
Delila Castillon
#OldRedheadsReign
[member="HK-36"]
Not at all. I just think opening up space and doing something would bring some new life into the map/board/whatever. It isn't like we wouldn't go out with flags festooned with your image and reclaim new and exciting planets in your honor.
Not at all. I just think opening up space and doing something would bring some new life into the map/board/whatever. It isn't like we wouldn't go out with flags festooned with your image and reclaim new and exciting planets in your honor.
HK-36
The Iron Lord Protector (Neutral Good)
[member="Delila Castillon"],
You know I would use your image instead Or the naked pics from Dagobah HK got,
But my concern would be loosing planets like Yag'Dhul where we were planning to launch a story for you to take over and have that Political Scene collapse after I'm trying to re-structure it to open up a new frontier for roleplay within our faction.
That's why I would be up for trimming the territory instead through IC actions like @Revenance suggested along with a mix of restructuring Rebellion and Invasion rules to make territory changes more dynamic.
So that every planet out there can have an image of Dells possibly in nude planted in it.
Also orbital statues.
You know I would use your image instead
Or the naked pics from Dagobah HK got,But my concern would be loosing planets like Yag'Dhul where we were planning to launch a story for you to take over and have that Political Scene collapse after I'm trying to re-structure it to open up a new frontier for roleplay within our faction.
That's why I would be up for trimming the territory instead through IC actions like @Revenance suggested along with a mix of restructuring Rebellion and Invasion rules to make territory changes more dynamic.
So that every planet out there can have an image of Dells possibly in nude planted in it.
Also orbital statues.
Delila Castillon
#OldRedheadsReign
[member="HK-36"]
So you would support map trimming? What if they trimmed out Yag'Dhul? What a shame.....I wouldnt be able to go there (yay!)....I mean, what an amazing asset to the Protectorate I do think a map reset should be based on IC actions. An event, political strife, terrible economy, famine, resource war, etc etc. Just think of all the fun we'd have HK. Erecting those Delila statues. Feeding orphans. Crushing the souls of enemies
So you would support map trimming? What if they trimmed out Yag'Dhul? What a shame.....I wouldnt be able to go there (yay!)....I mean, what an amazing asset to the Protectorate
I do think a map reset should be based on IC actions. An event, political strife, terrible economy, famine, resource war, etc etc. Just think of all the fun we'd have HK. Erecting those Delila statues. Feeding orphans. Crushing the souls of enemies Thessa Kai
Found
Delila Castillon said:
Love this idea.
And, instead of check ins and dominions related to property on a map, we should just play it like settlers of catan. Whoever has the most ore always wins. Duh.
HK-36
The Iron Lord Protector (Neutral Good)
[member="Thessa Kai"],
You heard the mermaid, gang up on Mandalorians before the next check-in, they have Beskar and Phrik!
You heard the mermaid, gang up on Mandalorians before the next check-in, they have Beskar and Phrik!
The Hound of Keldabe
we have large priks
sorry i mean lots of phrik and good beskar.
sorry i mean lots of phrik and good beskar.
Seris Vant
The Unsung Hero
[member="Thessa Kai"]
He who controls Munnilist controls the Credit. He who controls the credit controls the civilized galaxy.
Also. Reset the map!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bikl9-OPPmA
He who controls Munnilist controls the Credit. He who controls the credit controls the civilized galaxy.
Also. Reset the map!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bikl9-OPPmA
L Admin
TL;DR:
MAP CHANGES
"There will not be multiple Galaxy maps. All we get is one." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=676995
"Changes to the Galaxy map will be reflected in the next event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677019
"Custom planets will not be removed from the Galaxy Map." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677073
"Tefka - the guy proposing the map reset - may not agree with the idea of a map reset." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677402
"Changes to the map will not happen randomly. They will be a result of story and the next Event." -T http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677139
MAJOR FACTIONS
"Major Faction Capital changes are currently unknown at this time." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677044
"No Faction will be deleted as a result of changes to the Galaxy Map or the next Event. Major Faction territory, and Major Factions remaining on the map, is still unknown at this time." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677135
EVENT SPECIFICS
"Cataclysm won't be the name of the next event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677038
"Next event won't be virus." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677421
"Companies will not be considered in the discussion for map changes or the next event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45547-staff-voice-conference-meet-the-members-jan-16th/?p=676896
VOICE CONFERENCE - JANUARY 16th
"Staff has not formally entered the discussion of a map reset, changes to the map, & the next Galactic event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677344
"HK-36 has been invited to partake in the discussion concerning the next event and map changes." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677407
"The voice call will not be made public."
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45547-staff-voice-conference-meet-the-members-jan-16th/?p=676001
"All members attending the voice call will be asked to verbally agree to a Non-Disclosure Agreement, with the punishment being permanent banishment." -T
COMMUNITY CONSIDERATIONS
"Community > Map." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677298
MAP CHANGES
"There will not be multiple Galaxy maps. All we get is one." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=676995
"Changes to the Galaxy map will be reflected in the next event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677019
"Custom planets will not be removed from the Galaxy Map." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677073
"Tefka - the guy proposing the map reset - may not agree with the idea of a map reset." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677402
"Changes to the map will not happen randomly. They will be a result of story and the next Event." -T http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677139
MAJOR FACTIONS
"Major Faction Capital changes are currently unknown at this time." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677044
"No Faction will be deleted as a result of changes to the Galaxy Map or the next Event. Major Faction territory, and Major Factions remaining on the map, is still unknown at this time." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677135
EVENT SPECIFICS
"Cataclysm won't be the name of the next event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677038
"Next event won't be virus." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677421
"Companies will not be considered in the discussion for map changes or the next event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45547-staff-voice-conference-meet-the-members-jan-16th/?p=676896
VOICE CONFERENCE - JANUARY 16th
"Staff has not formally entered the discussion of a map reset, changes to the map, & the next Galactic event." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677344
"HK-36 has been invited to partake in the discussion concerning the next event and map changes." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677407
"The voice call will not be made public."
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45547-staff-voice-conference-meet-the-members-jan-16th/?p=676001
"All members attending the voice call will be asked to verbally agree to a Non-Disclosure Agreement, with the punishment being permanent banishment." -T
COMMUNITY CONSIDERATIONS
"Community > Map." -T
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/45680-how-do-you-feel-about-a-map-reset/?p=677298
Corruck Kazen
Time is the Essence
For myself I think that this would be fun, it will allow a whole new set of major factions to try and get a hold of the map. Hopefully it won't turn right back into the previous map.
But I know that people have put a lot of effort into threads where they conquer new worlds and to make their control of the map powerful.
Just a short of my two cents.
But I know that people have put a lot of effort into threads where they conquer new worlds and to make their control of the map powerful.
Just a short of my two cents.
The Hound of Keldabe
[member="Corruck Kazen"] : It won't be a whole new bunch of Major factions. It still will the very same active major factions with their large member base just retaking what they have lost, redundantly.
The End Narrator
Narrator
Uh....well you could do that anyone without anyone agreeing to anything.Tefka said:
Anyways! Celestials! The Makers! Idea for event! Since no viral outbreak due to Zambrano overbreeding is on the horizon!
Corruck Kazen
Time is the Essence
[member="Strider Garon"]
Well you could think of it that way, but I chose to think of it as a possibility for new major factions to more easily arise. Before, the factions that was already settled would be so powerful and so set that it was more difficult to start major factions where one wanted. Say a brand new major faction with just enough people tries to take a Republic planet for a story they have, well the Republic has so many people and such a large military that it makes near impossible for weaker factions to try and take a planet from it.
I know this is not completely true, but just as a general concept. The larger factions control to such a degree that it squelches the abilities of minor factions to become major, simply because the galactic scale is filling incredibly quickly.
I know there are many planets outside of control, but most of the ones that have strategic value are taken. Planets with important minerals are already taken.
Sorry just thought I would show my view.
Well you could think of it that way, but I chose to think of it as a possibility for new major factions to more easily arise. Before, the factions that was already settled would be so powerful and so set that it was more difficult to start major factions where one wanted. Say a brand new major faction with just enough people tries to take a Republic planet for a story they have, well the Republic has so many people and such a large military that it makes near impossible for weaker factions to try and take a planet from it.
I know this is not completely true, but just as a general concept. The larger factions control to such a degree that it squelches the abilities of minor factions to become major, simply because the galactic scale is filling incredibly quickly.
I know there are many planets outside of control, but most of the ones that have strategic value are taken. Planets with important minerals are already taken.
Sorry just thought I would show my view.
