Kashyyk invasion- objective 2

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Kira Liadain"]

I think the reasoning behind it is because without it, the objectives would be won solely on the basis of NPCs being spawned relentlessly and with wild abandon by the Sith...It's not about having the upper hand, it's allowing the actual PC characters a relative chance. When you stack the deck with Aces and hand your opponents a hand of 2's, what's the point? May as well simply hand them the planet and just say "There's no defenses there, you can simply have it"

There's no RP happening if we are simply overrun with hundreds of thousands of NPCs.

Edit: As it is, I've been cornered into backing out of my duel three posts in because Vrag has 2,000 troops that are just going to shoot me dead while I attempt to fight Keira. It's a real disappointment, there's no way to defend against absurd numbers, and a turn off to invasions if that is the reality of what is going to happen every time.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

There's always the Wookies.

 

[Kira Talith]

[member="Kira Liadain"]

I think the reasoning behind it is because without it, the objectives would be won solely on the basis of NPCs being spawned relentlessly and with wild abandon by the Sith...It's not about having the upper hand, it's allowing the actual PC characters a relative chance. When you stack the deck with Aces and hand your opponents a hand of 2's, what's the point? May as well simply hand them the planet and just say "There's no defenses there, you can simply have it"

There's no RP happening if we are simply overrun with hundreds of thousands of NPCs.

Use what is on Kashyyyk --- not Republic Forces.

As stated, the location sub was approved with what it had for this invasion as defenses for a reason without any actual dev threads to back it.

That is why the One Sith wanted to attempt to try and CAPTURE it once it had been subbed.

But spawning all these NPC's as defenses that were not on the location sub to begin with keeps on getting more and more ridiculous and quickly turns it into just a destruction zone due to the battle.

Not just by One Sith, but by what has been done by the Republic forces themselves.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

Use what is on Kashyyyk --- not Republic Forces.

As stated, the location sub was approved with what it had for this invasion as defenses for a reason without any actual dev threads to back it.

That is why the One Sith wanted to attempt to try and CAPTURE it once it had been subbed.

But spawning all these NPC's as defenses that were not on the location sub to begin with keeps on getting more and more ridiculous and quickly turns it into just a destruction zone due to the battle.

Not just by One Sith, but by what has been done by the Republic forces themselves.

No offense but the hundreds of thousands of NPC's from the OS is a bit ridiculous too. If they can just spawn NPC's and overrun everything there's no point to this Invasion thread. This is why there needs to be clear NPC rules.

 

[Gherron Dragovalor]

This ^

 

[Beowoof]

Also, let's be realistic here.

D-Day was not an instant victory.

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Kira Liadain"]

I started this invasion with 4500 troops defending (a combination of droids, Republic commandos and Wookie soldiers). I've watched one of my opponents on the OS side bring in volleys of 5K troops, 10k troops, 5k troops to supplement their already vast horde.

Now I would think there would be a decent number of Republic troops, because an Invasion attacking a planet this far into Republic space would require troops movements and would not come as a complete and utter shock to those they were attacking.

If the main issue is that Wookie troops aren't being utilized enough, I could agree with that. But quite frankly, I find the sheer number of NPCs to be ridiculous. If we want to have Invasions that don't turn into this ridiculous NPC war we need to start setting caps that both sides follow.

 

[Placeholder 0133]

As a man who had his duel won by an influx of NPCs shooting me on the face while the writer used them to evade every attack I used against her, I think its fair to-

SPAM THEM WITH MANY TRIBES OF WOOKIES!

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Sressechka"] - Sure it was, we just kept spawning thousands of troops on the beaches of Omaha, Utah, Sword, and Gold until the Germans rage quit. Numbers, sheer numbers.

No but seriously, NPC cap limitations should be discussed in future invasions because wow...absurd.

 

[Kira Talith]

No offense but the hundreds of thousands of NPC's from the OS is a bit ridiculous too. If they can just spawn NPC's and overrun everything there's no point to this Invasion thread. This is why there needs to be clear NPC rules.

[member="Seraphina Shel'tah"] [member="Kian Karr"] [member="Sressechka"]

Where are the hundreds of thousands of NPC's? Let's link npc lists:

Praelior at her beginning post had 30k in walking forces.

Dredge had 430 Kaalonians, Graug, Yuuzhan Vong

Rev had 25,000 Vong total (with all the goodies

Kaine - 17k, lost 3k in the climb.

Vrag? FORCES: 100 Sith troopers - and just called in 15k of reinforcements.

Darth Hiss hiss Forces: 150 Elite Sith Troopers and Speeders

Sith forces on there don't even top 100k.



Dak Canton for the republic? 200k wookiees...

T-ya - Forces: Two Dozen YVH-1 droids, One Dozen EMBU's
Kian

1. 
   Echani Mimic Battle Unit (EMBU) [150] http://starwarsrp.net/topic/3529-echani-mimic-battle-unit-embu/
   
2. 
   YVH-1 Droids [120]
   
3. 
   Wookie Troops
   
   Footsoldiers[750]
   
4. 
   Mounted troops [300]
   

[*]
Republic Commandos [750]

[*]
Kiyron’s reinforcements [1700]

1. 
   YVH-1 Droids [150]
   
2. 
   EMRU [150]
   
3. 
   Republic Commandos [300]
   
4. 
   Wookie Mounted Troops [300]
   
5. 
   Wookie Reinforces, both Mounted and Footsoldiers [1000] - arriving
   

I haven't even counted Sochi's, Kiyron's, or the rest of the npc's on my list i have on what npc's forces brought in by Pub's are on Objective B


The person who had the most NPC's in objective B was Syn -- and he didn't break 30k.

Certainly not in the hundreds of thousands!

All of this from a location sub that had the following as their defenses as approved by both One Sith and Republic Faction admins:

Population:
Large amount of Wookiee Soldiers
Large amount of Republic Soldiers
4 dozen Wookiee Dragon Troopers
Stable of 4 dozen Katarn mounts for above-mentioned Wookiee Dragon Troopers
Stable of 2.5 dozen Can-Cell Mounts

 

[Relit Vandal]

Updated for numbers now:

Rev - 22k + half his vong beast destroyed
Vrag - 15k
Darth Prealior - I don't know, not really active.
Kaine - 17k, lost 3k in the climb. (but doesn't matter, since they aren't doing anything)

So...besides Vrag calling support from an atmo carrier, I don't understand the issue with the current forces on the One Sith side. Especially considering that Kaine isn't really actively using his and Darth Praelior has been absent as of late.

 

[Placeholder 0133]

[member="Kira Liadain"]

And I had 300 developed men from past threads in heavy cover, armed to the teeth, and in possession of heavy ordnance.

Who were quickly overwhelmed by Vrag's sudden 15000 soldiers, of whom she continues to add more warriors and take next to no loss.

And then the survivors were one shot by Reverance.

Where the hell did Dak's Wookies and why have they not slaughtered every living thing? I need slaughter.

 

[Relit Vandal]

[member="Kira Liadain"]

And I had 300 developed men from past threads in heavy cover, armed to the teeth, and in possession of heavy ordnance.

Who were quickly overwhelmed by Vrag's sudden 15000 soldiers, of whom she continues to add more warriors and take next to no loss.

And then the survivors were one shot by Reverance.

Where the hell did Dak's Wookies and why have they not slaughtered every living thing? I need slaughter.

Were one shot? Where, I (rev) have never engaged yours soldiers.

 

[Placeholder 0133]

My soldiers were the main guys defending NE, which was turbo spammed when I fell asleep. In that time, a flying beast of some sort was thrown into my line of men and killed...well, everyone.

[member="Relit Vandal"]

 

[Relit Vandal]

[member="Book"] Right, that's not a one shot. They killed my own Ooglith Noxokk (30 of them actually). As you will see, with every single post that I have written, I have never nor will I ever, call a hit on your or anyone else's fighters. I write attacks and it's the responsibility of the opponent to deal with that in their own way.

As the active hand of the One Sith, it's the responsibility of said character to garnish a large army. That's what makes sense, and is not spawning forces. It's invading a planet.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

I was speaking collectively. You didn't count numbers at A, [member="Kira Liadain"].

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Kira Liadain"]

You are bothered by the fact that I had 4100 defenders and she had 36 droids? How is that an unreasonable number of soldiers to have against a force that clearly much larger

I think part of the problem is that people start bringing in reserves and then everyone starts bringing in reserves!

What is so hard about saying the Invasionary force has X amount, the Defense force has X amount, have fun?

I'll admit 200k Wookies is a bit excessive, though one would suspect a large number of Wookies would be fighting (though perhaps not that many!).

While I don't know what everyone brought to the fight (I haven't paid any attention to Obj. A and I stayed out of the Praelior fight because of the Chaos of my own!), the posts I did see didn't seem to indicate a crazy amount of NPCs. But now with reinforcements coming in it is getting a bit tense on both sides.

Though, let me add that I've been having fun so far. Though I still have no idea how to handle a singularity mine!!!

 

[Placeholder 0133]

[member="Relit Vandal"]

Right then mate. What I know is that my boys were killed in a series of post while I was asleep/work, and I wasn't tagged in such.

Either way, it's isn't relevant anymore. They're dead, and I'm out of this invasion per NPC murder.

There comes the OOC fairness bit into the use. Of the soldiers, regardless of IC position, but as Cira pointed out, we had 200K Wookies doing...something, so my argument has no weight at this point.

 

[Kamon's OOC]

^^That.

If there was a clear, set number of NPC troops, even if the attackers had a higher number that was reasonable, there wouldn't be a problem, I don't think. But when everyone is landing with 10000 troops or so, it's a bit crazy. I mean, I killed 3000 troops at A with Meric, and it didn't even phase anyone because that same person had like 12000 Vong and several thousand regular troopers.

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Book"]

Part of that is simply taking a "measured hit." No one can every tell you that you lost all your troops or that you lost a set number of troops. For example, my wookie soldiers leapt and climbed over the falling animal, many lost their lives, but only a reasonable enough amount to satisfy my need to keep troops and the need to respect the others attack.