Knight

[Darth Banshee]

Hell I am just after Rogue Sith Lord tags

 

[Jsc]

This forum doesn't work without interaction. Your proposal limits that.

I disagree.

You mention that the rank system was designed specifically to merit and facilitate interaction and RP. But it does so by creating a very unique, and very odd barrier to entry. Which, is fine. As, it appears many people are okay with that trade off. Some of the reasons so far have called this barrier: Milestones, leveling up, accomplishments, and a learning process. Which is funny to me because I've never felt any of those things when participating under such a system.

But. I suppose that much like life, everything is just perspective. Where others see a Level Up. I see a grind. Where others say it merits skill. I say it just merits a gluttony for pain. Where others say it grants interaction. I say it forces you to pursue lesser content. Where others view it as a starting place. I view it as a wall. And of course, where others say it builds your knowledge base. I say, it's a tutorial in dealing with frustration. I believe that if such a change where implemented we would see more interaction, more characters created, more mentors for Padawans, one less obnoxious barrier to entry, and a new player initiative to seek out even more creative means of participating, gathering knowledge, and for finding value in our RP experience on Chaos.

Last but not least. After reading the feedback here and in my other feedback polls abroad, I now believe that this community isn't ready for it either. Now is not the time and Chaos is not the place.

Thanks for reading and thanks to everyone who posted!

 

[Senji Selah]

[member="Saverok the Unleashed"]

That is a lot of years. Truly. I will assume the one month is of real life time measure. But that's understandable, Senji is not 31 years old and still a padawan because I deem it hard to ooc'ly advance. As one can probably see, I have not dedicated much time to this character. Was merely commenting on the fact that because I never intended to roleplay Senji full-time, he had to start out as an 31 year old padawan, since I do not want to play a child jedi. And being 31 and a padawan is something I lore-wise find awkward.

Not that I truly care. I dedicate most of my time to non-lightsaber wielding characters anyway.

 

[Vakarian]

Hell I am just after Rogue Sith Lord tags

Wouldn't that tag just be redundant?

Rogue implies the same thing, whether you defected from Jedi or Sith, or even started as a Rogue. Why tie the Sith tag to the Rogue tag when (and I'm assuming) you went rogue to avoid Sith teachings and/or Jedi teachings.

Rogues stand on their own. It's in the very name of the tag, there would be no reason to create a "Rogue Sith Lord". But, that's my opinion and this isn't the right thread for it.

Apologies [member="Jay Scott Clark"]

 

[Jsc]

[member="Máni"]

I've done the whole "But what do Rank Titles mean really?" thing a few times now. Trust me. You want to take that dead horse for spin in this thread?

Go nuts buddy. Go crazy.

 

[Darth Assimilus]

@Tefka

NFUs rule supreme.

 

[Vakarian]

[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

No, no. I'm more than willing to let it die. It was just an errant though, that in hindsight, didn't really need to be voiced anyhow.

 

[Jsc]

...that in hindsight, didn't really need to be voiced anyhow.

Your posting on another man's fantasy SW nerd fansite filled with cat-people, Master Chief playbys, and viking princesses. Dude. Most people might say the same thing about this hobby all together. That it really didn't need to be voiced anyhow. Yet,

Voice it anyway and screw that noise! Awoooo. Players gotta play. Players gotta play. Never apologize for learning something new. Especially if that something is, "I should not have said that." Because next time? You probably won't. And that's life.

Live and learn.

...

Now get out of my thread Space Viking Jedi Haircut-much person. You're stinking up the mead hall.

 

[Tefka]

YEAH

GET OUTTA HERE WIT UR CHANGE

WE DUN WONT NONE

 

[Jsc]

Meanwhile, in California...

 

[Jake Daniels]

[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

What are some of the good things that can come from imagining such a change?

• More (hopefully diverse) characters
• Eliminating the chance of people dropping if they feel like they can't find trainers to get them from low rank to Knight equivalent
• More (hopefully) roleplays in both open and private rp forums (I do read many of the threads in both forums).

What are some of the bad things that can come too?

• Too many characters being created and then shelved; never to be used again
• The prospect that the rank of padawan/apprentice/ect may very well go extinct. I know some people would start at the bottom and work their way up but many others might just skip it and go Knight.

And most importantly, what does Rank mean to you really in May 2016?

• Jackshit.
• I don't care if someone is an Apprentice, a Knight, or a Lord/Master; I'll roleplay my character how I want regardless if someone has a title. Likewise, if I am in a kickarse story with a new Padawan or Apprentice and we duel; I actually don't mind letting Jake get his arse handed to him so long as the story was fun, made sense and how it went down left us both satisfied.
• My goal as a writer isn't to concern myself with a title. Titles are what writers consider fluff; an addition too a character, not the character themselves. Its the character that drives a story, not their rank.
• THAT SAID, I will always, always, always show the utmost respect to every roleplayer (especially Lords, Masters, Elites) because they did earn the respect of their peers to be voted in on that level. It takes a hell of a lot to get the rank of Master; I won't ever belittle someone on an o.o.c. level. Jake Daniels in-character however has a mouth. Gooood luck getting respek from him!

 

[Dallen Thayne]

You won't get rid of Padawans. Knights would just be the new Padawans.

If you don't like the system, write NFUs. They're way cooler anyways.

Here Here!!

Also someone said NFUs start as whatever they wanted and that's not entirely true.

NFUs typically start at the bottom or a lower officer rank since they have to ask the faction usually to hold a rank to command a certain amount of authority. Sure someone CAN start as an Admiral if a faction is alright with that but its usually an experienced writer who has at least worked one character up before.

Plus NFUs don't have the force so while they don't have the same work as a Force User to get what they want. . . . they don't have the force and we often know how they're treated for it unless they're armed to bloody teeth with every anti-force gear to level the field. (which they usually have to dev thread in place of training)

 

[Ellie Mors]

When everyone is super knight, no one is.

 

[Kenrath]

I have seen God-awans and God-olytes. I have seen promotions to Knight for people with no development at all in record time and people with more development than I even thought possible stuck at rank 1 for a life time.


Finding enough teachers for rank 1 characters is a problem. It mostly seems to center on Knights and Masters either not wanting to teach or only wanting to teach those that match an Encyclopedia Britannica sized list of conditions. Not saying there is anything wrong with that........just an observation.

I once had a writer tell me they would only RP with me much less train my character if I pledge the character to be their slave for eternity.



I guess the bottom line is I often think there has got to be a better and more importantly more balanced and fair way to go about it. I am positive however that starting at Knight for everyone is not the solution. As a matter of fact I think it would in some ways make things worse not better.


I do however appreciate the dialog created by posing such an idea.

 

[Armand Temi]

I have seen God-awans and God-olytes. I have seen promotions to Knight for people with no development at all in record time and people with more development than I even thought possible stuck at rank 1 for a life time.

I once had a writer tell me they would only RP with me much less train my character if I pledge the character to be their slave for eternity.

I do however appreciate the dialog created by posing such an idea.

I also had a writer tell me my character wasn't allowed to train with anyone else but it would take ages to get a training thread started, finished or even moving sometimes, keeping my character in limbo.

#Acolytewarstories

On the flip side, training Apprentices can be grindy and it's easy to lose a real story through the whole ordeal. And I'm not totally convinced the system as is stands is very balanced. So yeah while I don't think we do away with the promotions system there should be some alternative tracks. Maybe in the way of finishing epic quests that go towards your promotion which you can do with others or on your own? Or even a point system.

 

[Kenrath]

I also had a writer tell me my character wasn't allowed to train with anyone else but it would take ages to get a training thread started, finished or even moving sometimes, keeping my character in limbo.

#Acolytewarstories

On the flip side, training Apprentices can be grindy and it's easy to lose a real story through the whole ordeal. And I'm not totally convinced the system as is stands is very balanced. So yeah while I don't think we do away with the promotions system there should be some alternative tracks. Maybe in the way of finishing epic quests that go towards your promotion which you can do with others or on your own? Or even a point system.

Both of my Sith characters were promoted to Knight based solely on Combat experience. Dominion. Skirmish, and Invasion participation.


Training threads can be a bit grindy. However it is as simple as adding a story element to them. With [member="Joza Perl"] for example the OOC purpose was to teach Makashi. However the IC thread itself was based on forcing a somewhat fearful Jedi Padawn to face her fear not only with courage but wisdom as well. I am also reminded of a Zombie killing thread where people were exposed to many different things in the context of how to survive extended and out number situations.

What comes to mind is a saying. Every trainigng thread tells a story but not every story teaches you something.

 

[Matsu Ike]

I also had a writer tell me my character wasn't allowed to train with anyone else but it would take ages to get a training thread started, finished or even moving sometimes, keeping my character in limbo.

#Acolytewarstories

On the flip side, training Apprentices can be grindy and it's easy to lose a real story through the whole ordeal. And I'm not totally convinced the system as is stands is very balanced. So yeah while I don't think we do away with the promotions system there should be some alternative tracks. Maybe in the way of finishing epic quests that go towards your promotion which you can do with others or on your own? Or even a point system.

I made a fresh faced padawan, went into a dominion arc (three in one day with Que and Ben) and she got promoted with her actions alone. She got knight in one day with little real development. Still it has been fun since then and I can know some people love being padawans while some do want to become knights as quickly as they can. Really there is nothing wrong either way it is enjoyable.

now for this well sometimes training can be very by the book and get boring. Sometimes it can also be very fun, my threads with recent padawans where we did flashbacks and then present time a whole new way to train as we got more depth.

Though I have seen padawans promoted with barely any work and others who have done obscene amounts of work. So there is always room to improve, I know not everyone can get a master who pays attention and faction admins/owner can get busy and don't pay attention to anyone... but if saying "hey can you look at my threads and me for promotion" is a bad thing it shouldn't be. Sometimes it is needed

 

[Armand Temi]

Agreed and to that point, a Master/Apprentice storyline is ultimately about two characters and their relationship in whatever form that takes (ex. Grizzled Master meets Foolhearty student). If two writers don't work out or agree on what the relationship will be, there could be trouble down the road.

This is just food for thought, but IMO layering the "one size fits all" promotions system over extremely different types of relationships that Masters and Apprentices have doesn't really do the story arc justice. Because our characters are anything but "one size fits all."

[member="Vengeance"]

 

[Ellie Mors]

Maybe in the way of finishing epic quests that go towards your promotion which you can do with others or on your own? Or even a point system.

Agreed and to that point, a Master/Apprentice storyline is ultimately about two characters and their relationship in whatever form that takes (ex. Grizzled Master meets Foolhearty student). If two writers don't work out or agree on what the relationship will be, there could be trouble down the road.

This is just food for thought, but IMO layering the "one size fits all" promotions system over extremely different types of relationships that Masters and Apprentices have doesn't really do the story arc justice. Because our characters are anything but "one size fits all."

[member="Vengeance"]

FORCE USER RANK PROMOTION




1. Apprentice To Knight

• When an Apprentice's Master feels the Apprentice is ready for promotion to Knight, he/she submits the Apprentice's name for promotion to his/her Faction Administrator for approval.
• If the Apprentice does not belong to a Faction, the Apprentice's Master will submit the Apprentice's name to a Role-play Judge for approval.
• If approved by the Faction Administrator/Role-Play Judge, the Apprentice's name is submitted to a Board Administrator for Rank Promotion.

*In the case that no Force User Master is available, any Faction Administrator/Role-play Judge may represent the Apprentice as his/her Out of Character Master for promotion purposes.

 

[Ellie Mors]

There is no requirement for any kind of master/apprentice relationship, no requirement for training threads, no requirement for half of the things that are being listed as "issues". The only thing that you, as a character, need for promotion purposes is activity, writer maturity, and, depending on who would represent you as your OOC master for promotion purposes, maybe character development.