One Sith and the Covenant of the Black Rose

[Reverance]

The One Sith has declared Darth Venefica, IC, a traitor to the One Sith and in that regard, any that follow her fall under the same category. However, we are giving everyone involved in the Covenant an opportunity to choose sides before this goes any further. In the near future, any members still with the Covenant will be considered IC traitors and enemies of the One Sith.

These are simply IC consequences of IC actions. We have nothing against the writers and their characters OOCly, but due to the change in the relationship between OS and CotBR, the members must choose one or the other.

For a deeper understanding, here is a link to the parliament thread. If you have any concerns or questions, please feel free to get a hold of either myself, [member="Vrag"], or [member="Sage Bane"].

 

[Kahlil Noble]

Saddening. Truly saddening.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Suffer not the traitor and blasphemer to live.

 

[Kahlil Noble]

[member="Darth Vornskr"]

I can make a list of people who did live. Look at the GR, Vitae, Mandalorians..

Too many traitors for that to hold true.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Aren't you a bundle of fun.

[member="Kage"]

 

[Reverance]

[member="Kage"]

What you listed aren't traitors, they are just enemies (though there are traitors within the groups). The lowest ring of the ninth circle of hell is reserved for those that betray their benefactor. Nuff said.

 

[Kahlil Noble]

[member="Reverance"]

Aye, I was listing groups with traitors in them. Just sayin, traitors are so common and under dealt with its amazing more people don't betray us.

 

[Cordelia deWinter]

Spoiler

{Sith Civil War}
Actually, my suggestion was entirely serious and if we're going to go with the "Lore and Story" option during an ooc peace I also believe that it is the best one for the faction. My reasoning;

OOC Reason:
This is actually quite easy, generally faction threads are boring as poodoo. You can argue all you want, but I've been on SWRP since the beginning, I've run 4 factions, some have failed, others have done exceedingly well. Faction threads generally aren't all that popular, and if its the only thing thats going on in a faction, people will get bored. This is mostly because "Temple Exploration!" or "Korriban Holocron Hunt!" or "Sith Lord Gathering!" Get's really karking boring really quickly. Faction threads absolutely can be popular, but it is rare that they actually are, even rarer that they get finished.

So how will a Civil War be different? Thats quite simple, much like an Invasion, a Civil War can create dynamic changes. It can force power shifts, belief systems in the faction, military strategy, it can turn apprentices into legends and tear down Sith Lords over the course of a single thread. A Civil War creates a stake, a certain extra push that makes people want to join in and help, because ultimately ti will effect them in the future if they do participate.

Other than this logical choice, there's the point that Civil War's are just karking awesome for story. Brother against brother, friend against friend, old Masters fighting against the new. It's an amazing opportunity for stories of all sorts, even if your character doesn't pick a side just being there is a huge development because its one of those events that in the future they can go "Yeah, I was there when Reverance razed Byss and put an end to the Rebellion."

It's an amazing dynamic and open plot that should at least be considered.

IC Reason:
The biggest argument against a Civil War for the One Sith is the fact that ICly there's no "reason" for it. Horsepoodoo.

The One Sith is basically designed to end up in a Civil War at one point or another, so much so that in canon, where the One Sith originally came from, the entire thing eventually develops into a Civil War. Granted this is extremely quick and ended even faster, but that was a necessity to facilitate their story. Wyyrloks betrayal lead, in the course of a few days, Nihl and Talon to nearly kill one another.

That's pretty much all the evidence we need that ICly this could be done with a simple wave of the hand. Here's a few of my ideas for starting a Civil War IC;

• Several powerful Sith Lords decide that the Dark Lord is no longer fit to lead, they split away a large part of the Military and Civil War Ensues.
• The Dark Lord disappears one day, Reverance, the Hands and the Voices attempt to cover this up. However, their treachery is discovered and those not within the "circle of trust", as well as a few within, follow a Dashing Sith Lord in his attempt to become the new Dark Lord.
• The Dark Lord is killed! Isolda finally figures out that the Dark Lord has been...doing something with the Vahla and has lied to her, she gets really upset and uses her own connection with The Dark Lord to render him unto death. The subsequent power struggle becomes the Civil War, with Isolda leading one side obviously.
• The Dark Lord is Killed #2! An assassin, a powerful one obviously, or a character of some sort(maybe get a Jedi to come help you, there's plenty cool ones.) Kills the Dark Lord. The same thing as when Daella did it happens, except this time the fallout is worse. Several younger Sith Lords become uppity, thinking that Reverance and the hands are too weak to effectively lead. Boom. Civil War.
• The Dark Lord fades. For some unknown reason, the Dark Lord has been fading. His power, once rendering blood from the eyes and tearing away at ones soul has now become less than a dull throb. The strength he used to hold the One Sith is fading, and Reverance and the voices and Hands sense this. In order to keep the faction strong, they decide on betrayal. Their betrayal is swift, but the Dark Lord survives. He gathers his loyal supporters to him and begins to retrieval of his worlds.
• Vonbellion(Thanks m8, @Khallesh)

These are five ideas, and they took me like 3 minutes to think of. All of them are plausible, all of them are really easy. I'm sure if I actually gave myself half a day I could think of something even better than what I just came up with.

My whole point is, there's plenty of IC reason for a Civil War. In the end, the One Sith are still Sith. Power hungry dicks. There will always be that one guy(probably more) that thinks he's stronger, faster, and smarter than everyone else. All you need is that one guy to lead the other side, and boom you have a Civil War going.

Besides, how many of you truly follow the Dark Lord anyway ?

What Will This Change OOC?:
Nothing.

This will change nothing about the faction. Reverance and the current Admins will remain(if they want to). The power structure in the end can be the same. The resources, everything. All the changes depend entirely upon what you the faction wants.

What Will This Change ICly?:
Well, that depends entirely upon the faction itself, who wins the civil war, who gets killed and what the start is.

Again however, these changes are entirely dependent on the people within this faction, and in the end everything can be placed so the faction comes out better than before..

Dark Lord dies? He can be replaced with a new interesting NPC(Or PC if thats what ya'll want) that has a story that many of the current faction were actually a part of. I believe that many current OS members have never actually met, seen, or even heard of the current NPC Dark Lord. This makes it difficult to get an impression of him, perhaps raising a new one through a Civil War will make him easier to relate to and easier to bounce characters off of.

Or you know, get rid of him entirely if thats what you want. Get a council and be democratic Sith.

Power Structure reorganizes? Fine, the Dark Lord lived and came out on top, maybe he decides that its time for a little re-organization. Voices drop from 5 to three, hands become permanently fixed at 2, Wrath is now "Lord Bunny Foo Foo". Again, these changes would depend on IC happenings as well as OOC decisions and would be based on what the Members wanted. Heck in the end all those positions could simply be removed and replaced with something else.

I think the most important changes that will come about IC is the rise and fall of Apprentices, Knights, NFU, and Sith Lords. A Civil War, even more than Invasions or skirmishes, is a chance to involve your character in your faction on a completely different level. You as a writer can choose which side to support, your character then has to live, survive, and possibly thrive depending on that decision. Apprentices who chose well can skyrocket through political scheming, apprentices who didn't choose well can propel themselves by fighting like hell and showing their worth something. Knight's can slay Lords who oppose them, Lords can show why they're Lords. Everyone has a chance to do something amazing, epic, and even legendary.

Want that fleeting battle? Set it the kark up.

Want that epic Crashing Star Destroyer fight? Set it the kark up.

Want to fight 5 Sith Lords at once and Die? Well okay, your choice.

A Civil War gives you options, more than that it gives you cooperative options, because in the end you're all working for the same thing, your Faction.

A Civil War has the same potential for legend making as an Invasion, but with none of the stress, bickering, or OOC hate, because in the end nothing huge OOCly changes and the faction can go back.

Planets can be razed(but not completely destroyed! You have to ask staff for that), Shipyards can be wiped away, armadas can be obliterated, entire Species could go nearly extinct. Anything can happen ICly, literally anything that we the faction want.

Closing Arguments:
A Civil War has the potential for so much story, for so much to happen, its almost ludicrous. The changes are controlled by us, and what happens is controlled by us. It is an amazingly dynamic story setting, and it's one that has never been properly done on SWRP, ever.

Those that tried either did it too late in the factions life or didn't give the proper motives. It's something that can be absolutely amazing, and I think, can create change like nothing else. It would be awesome to RP, and in the end that's all that matters.

The One Sith is a faction of Firsts. First Sith Faction to take Coruscant, first faction to win so many invasions, first faction to win 3 simultaneous invasions.

Why not be the First to properly do a Civil War?

EDIT: If we do a Civil War I will bring back Shara and incorporate him into whatever storyline is decided on for it. Be it as the Sith Lord that rallies against the current leadership or as a supporter of the old Dark Lord.

Guys, this is flowing into what we wanted!!

A Sith Civil war!

Remember. The best thing is that happened naturally through IC means. This could make for epic storytelling.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

I believe in the Sisterhood.

 

[Kahlil Noble]

[member="Cordelia deWinter"]

At least someone's looking at the bright side <3

 

[Darth Carnifex]

I believe in the Sisterhood.

Of the Traveling Pants?

Or of the Muff Chalice?

 

[Darth Timoris]

Slightly confused over here.

Nobody 'follows' Venefica IC as she's not the IC leader of the Covenant. So how does that work?

#justaskin'

 

[Teresa Zambrano | Darth Pellax]

I smell butt hurt *plays universes smallest violin*

 

[Reverance]

Venefica is an IC leader of the Black Rose, according to the current faction application

Current Black Rose Council:

Darth Venefica
Darth Timoris
Seras Goto
Darth Raven
Sanya Val Lerium
Darth Veles

So, you specifically may not follow her because you are a part of the leadership, the fact remains that it's guilt by association. On top of this, Venefica originally founded it as sub faction of the OS. So once more, guilt by association.

 

[Isamu Baelor]

We'll scatter their ashes to the wind.

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Reverance"]

We seem to be blurring IC and OOC.

She is the FL. An OOC role.

The IC leader is an NPC. There is a council of which she is ONE member. Your statement was, "any that follow her fall under the same category."

None follow her...period.

​On that basis, can I stay in the OS and remain a member of the COTBR?

 

[Reverance]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

Your mincing my words, which is fine if that's your prerogative. But I'm not mixing OOC and IC, which is the point. She is a leader of the faction, just as the Eye, Wrath, Hands,Voices, and Shadow are leaders of this faction.

 

[Teresa Zambrano | Darth Pellax]

[member="Reverance"]
Gand Lady

NPC < IC leader

Council of the Black Rose

1. Darth Venefica
2. Darth Timoris
3. Seras Goto
4. Darth Raven
5. Sanya Val Lerium
6. Darth Veles

Ahem nope your wrong

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Reverance"]

Actually, I directly quoted you. If you didn't mean what you said, that's a different thing altogether.

And she is 100% NOT the IC leader of the Faction. That is entirely untrue.

But to pick up the thread of IC and OOC, why was I told SOME WHILE AGO I could only have a role in the OS if I left the COTBR? That feels OOC to me.

#justbeinghonest

 

[Vrag]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

We get where you're coming from, and division in the ranks could definitely interesting (and ICly, likely would be present), but let me give you an example to illustrate our point.

If Reverance were to claim something, ICly (say, declare war on faction X), then every Sith, non-Sith, and whoever else present would be safe to assume that the Sith will make good on the declaration, even if not every single member of the One Sith declared war on faction X. They might not even want to war with faction X, but then the choices left to them are either stay on the sidelines, or choose the other side.

The One Sith, ICly, cannot afford to screen ever CotBR member. They might as well all be traitors. That's how betrayal works. If the rest of the Council members disagree with the claims made by one of them (Venefica, in this case), then their choice is to disavow her claims and reaffirm their fealty to the Dark Lord, lest his wrath come down on the whole faction. Since she is the one who made the damning claims, it's her words that need to be discredited.

But to pick up the thread of IC and OOC, why was I told SOME WHILE AGO I could only have a role in the OS if I left the COTBR? That feels OOC to me.

As for this, the role specifically was Voice of the Dark Lord, which requires full dedication to the Dark Lord in question, regardless of where the CotBR's loyalties may lie.