One Sith and the Covenant of the Black Rose

[Isamu Baelor]

ICly, the base was built by her, with her handpicked troops filling out the ranks.

It makes complete sense for us to attack it. No way the Sith would leave an enemy base in our borders.

 

[Sage Bane]

ICly, the base was built by her, with her handpicked troops filling out the ranks.

It makes complete sense for us to attack it. No way the Sith would leave an enemy base in our borders.

What Isamu said is pretty much it.

We are technically not "skirmishing" our own planet. We are taking over a military base that Venefica built and wiping the slate clean of her influence. It is tagged as a skirmish so that the thread can be open to the public and to let people know that opposition is welcome.

Let's remember that Venefica was the imperial ruler of Anaxes. The people of Anaxes need to be informed that they are no longer her subjects and they will be governed by a new Will. This will all come out in the thread.

To be honest, we weren't expecting opposition. I was going to make it a Faction thread, but I wanted to give her, or anyone else with a stake in the planet, the chance to defend any assets or intervene in any way.

If they want to give us opposition, great. If not, we still have plenty of IC reasons to be there.

 

[Zaria]

I'm a member in both Factions. The OS and the COTBR. So from all the debates, pointes, and counterpointes a few things stand out to me.

If this character wishes to remain in the OS then she would have to denounce the COTBR and Venefica and pledge loyalty to a Dark Lord she doesn't believe in. Zaria is not a Sith. She is a Dark Jedi. To force someone into accepting a belief they don't support sounds a little close to the Inquisitions from the days long gone. Where countless Jews and Pagans were forced to denounce their beliefs for a Christian one. Those that didn't were ultimately put to death. Is this what is happening? A Chaos Inquisition? Am I going to be forced to drop my DJ tags for a One Sith tag if I elect to reamin in the OS over the COTBR? New flash! This Pagan bites.

Another pointe that I do like is what [member="Darth Isolda"] has made. A Sith Civil War. If that is going to happen then maybe a discussion between OS and COTBR FA should be held in Skype or through PM here. ICly that sounds fun. OOCly it may not. Rumours are abound that certain COTBR members have been approached being told and not asked to leave the COTBR. If a Sith Civil War is to happen then why force people to betray Venefica and the rest of the COTBR? Or has OOC feelings really blinded everyone here?

Guilty by association. By that assessment alone all government officials in real life should be sent to the gallows. Every real life government head is doing dirty work behind the backs of the citizens that voted them in. Each member who sits in that government's seat of position know or have an idea of what is going on. Regardless if they do know or have an idea still labels them guilty by association. Grouping everyone in the COTBR traitors because of the actions of one makes no sense to me really.

The skirmish makes some sense to me in respect to win over the citizens. The installation in question belongs to the One Sith. Did anyone really read the submission ? Everything in that submission is all One Sith technology and troops. Nowhere does it say she has her own personal troops stationed there.

The troops that are stationed here were handpicked by her and with her request approved by the Dark Lord himself, the 10 battle vehicles were shipped to Anaxes.

That right there shows the troops were handpicked from the Sith ranks. Not hers that are loyal to her. So attacking an installation owned by the OS makes sense how? The planet yes. Another example of OOC hurt feelings?

The final thing I will say is that it seems that a select few are trying to drive the writer of Venefica from the site. Nobody would ever admit that here or anywhere but many would deny the accusation. If that is the whole picture for going after the COTBR then I say that is in poor judgment. To attempt to ruin someone's fun to write on a free forum is sickening. Has anyone actually talked to Venefica about her grievances or how she felt at the time when she made that post in the Wills thread?* Or are we just taking the word of a few and following it because it's easier than to seek out the truth ourselves? I don't agree with everything she wrote but to me there seems to be something scratching under the surface.

* If there is proof of attempts I believe everyone here has a right to see it.

 

[Vrag]

[member="Zaria"]

We've repeated ourselves a few times over, and numerous other writers have stated similar things, but in the interest of clarity:

There is no OOC bad blood. I cannot speak for [member="Darth Venefica"], but I can speak for the OS staff when I say that there are no OOC issues or hurt feelings towards the writer, or the CotBR faction. When the Rose decided to go Major, we had a talk in PM where we agreed to an OOC alliance between the two factions.

The announcement of war in the Wills thread came as a surprise to us, and came without warning. Now, this isn't us shifting blame on anyone; just stating that it wasn't discussed, but that's fine. RP can be fun regardless of whether or not it was arranged beforehand. In any case, the characters reacted as they would, because a visible and influential member of the CotBR who is, to their knowledge, the founder of the faction, announced war in a public forum.

Again, this is people playing their Sith characters. Operative word here being Sith. They are not known to be rational, or kind, or forgiving, or any other nice quality one might hope to find in a real-life government entity. Moreso, while real-life politicians may be corrupt behind closed doors, Sith don't have to hide their corruption, which is essential in this situation. It's a regime run by the Sith, primarily for the Sith. Those who don't belong can and will be dealt with swiftly and without mercy, because again, Sith.

Guilt by association makes no sense in a government model like the Republic, because they have laws that serve the people. The One Sith have few defined laws, and the word of the Dark Lord will always and forever overrule them.

Grouping everyone together and branding them traitors is a paranoid reaction. And it's not fair; hence why we differentiate between OOC and IC. OOC, nobody has issues with CotBR writers, but what happened IC is another matter, one that has angered powerful figures of the OS that will demand recompense unless measures to counteract this are taken. We've already suggested a few (like the members of CotBR swearing their loyalty anew and disavowing the person who nearly brought the wrath of the Dark Lord upon them), but the sky is the limit. Put up a thread, tag the slighted characters, and devise a way to fix the situation, because I will reiterate:

• The "situation" exists only on an IC level. OOC, there are no issues on our side. If you wish to coordinate a thread to "smooth things over", as it were, you're welcome to do so.
• Nobody is trying to drive anyone off the site, or targeting anybody else in any other fashion. These are IC consequences of IC actions and characters owning up to their characteristics as bad, paranoid people.

 

[Zaria]

[member="Vrag"]

I understand she dropped the phrase "War it is." Did anyone ask her what that meant? War can be taken to mean many different things. War of different beliefs fought through debates and words and philosophies. War of breaking oppression through individual changes for herself. War of freeing herself from whatever she was feeling at the time of her post. War can be taking to mean different things like declaring war on drugs and poverty. Declaring war on unemployment. She never came out and said "I declare war on the OS" or "The COTBR is declaring war on the OS." That is an assumption writers are making. I admit that was my first take on the phrase until I spoke to her about it. I know what she meant by it and so does a few others. Again nobody asked her from the OS side. From my understanding she even apologised to the other members of the COTBR in skype for her post. They know she would never act in a way to bring harm to any member of the COTBR.

Venefica has never made a decision that affects the COTBR without speaking to those in the faction first. If she was going to declare "war" on the OS the admins and members of the Black Rose would have been brought in for their opinion through Skype, PM, or through an OOC thread. I'm not defending her one way or the other. I just see for myself how she works and asks other's advice. Yes, there are those that want to undermine the OS and she has never openly agreed to do so with them. She has told them do what you want but deal with the consequences yourself.

I'll talk to her and she if she is willing to do a "smooth things over" thread.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Zaria"]
I'm not certain how familiar people are with the way the One Sith works, but to leave the One Sith is to ICly sign your own death warrant. Anyone who leaves the One Sith after joining is a traitor, regardless of their intentions. It takes all of four seconds to peruse the previous absconders of the One Sith title to notice the trend of people who were hunted and either killed or roped back in. To even drop the phrase "War it is" and not to expect immediate retaliation against a traitor and someone who had so openly defied the Dark Lord, who happens to be the one and only recognized Dark Lord of the Sith by those within the One Sith and thus without equal or rival and supreme ruler of the One Sith, is wishful thinking.

Is this what is happening? A Chaos Inquisition? Am I going to be forced to drop my DJ tags for a One Sith tag if I elect to reamin in the OS over the COTBR

I don't even know how you came to that conclusion. OS tags aren't a requirement of the faction, nor is being a Sith.

If this character wishes to remain in the OS then she would have to denounce the COTBR and Venefica and pledge loyalty to a Dark Lord she doesn't believe in. Zaria is not a Sith. She is a Dark Jedi. To force someone into accepting a belief they don't support sounds a little close to the Inquisitions from the days long gone.

This is something that is kind of what the One Sith does. It doesn't have anything to do with OOC, they've done it to any and every character that has been a part of the faction and then left openly to oppose them, which based on what I've read is basically what the other faction seems to stand for doing based on the differences between the two.

Did anyone really read the submission ?

I don't even know why there is a skirmish/thread held there to raze it if the Rebel Alliance already did this a few weeks ago.

 

[Sage Bane]

[member="Zaria"]

We definitely appreciate your input on the matter. I do want to say that in terms of people reaching out to one another about Venefica's post, not to sound glib, but it works both ways.

There's no reason that Venefica or anyone else involved couldn't have reached out to us beforehand and said, "Hey guys, here's what I'm doing in that thread, and here's what it means." We've always been on good terms and our inboxes have always been open.

That being said, it really wouldn't change our characters' IC actions. It would be metagaming for us.

 

[Sage Bane]

I don't even know why there is a skirmish/thread held there to raze it if the Rebel Alliance already did this a few weeks ago.

We aren't razing it, just making sure its clear of the influence of Anaxes' former imperial ruler.

But thanks for linking this. We'll be sure and make a mention of the damage to it IC.

 

[Ellie Mors]

[member="Sage Bane"]
Sorry, half asleep and wrong choice of words.

 

[Darth Vaildra]

I am not goin to name names or point fingers, but let's be honest here. This is not purely Darth Venefica and OOC I believe she is more of a puppet. I would like to think her and I have a good friendship OOC and IC (well not anymore IC.) when she told me about the breaking into a major faction and I should join she said the faction itself was pushing for it, not her. Then it is the faction pushing for war not her, she just went with her faction she helped create.

I say this because I see a lot of the Black Rose leaders here putting the blame on her OOC and THAT is not right. If IC they are pushing blame then ok, that is story, OOC that is drama and just horrible manners.

I agree that all of Black Rose should be branded traitors and even if some turn away, I believe they should not be let off the hook as they could be spies or trying to attack from the inside.

The One Sith has lost a lot of power, let's be honest and this break is going to hurt us greatly so it is time we take steps to returning to the top. Sebastian may agree with Black Rose sense he is a Darth Bane follower and not Darth Krayt, but his goals lie in the One Sith so he will push IC to crush this resistance.

 

[Shachath]

I leave for one weekend and come back to this?

I just wanna say that, at least for me, there are definitely no hurt feelings on my side. I admire [member="Darth Venefica"] OOC very much and just sort of played along with what went down in the forum. I'm cool with whatever as long as it makes for a good story!

 

[Isamu Baelor]

Out of curiosity, what happened? Are we still allies with COTBR, are they enemies, etc

 

[Sage Bane]

[member="Isamu Baelor"]

According to our Will thread, Darth Venefica was branded a traitor, but the I believe the jury is still out on the rest of her faction.

My guess is that those caught aiding her will not be looked upon favorably from an IC perspective.

OOC, if you want to help the CotBR, go right ahead. If you wanted to help them without the fear of being seen as a traitor, you could always play opposition in their Dominion, with permission from their faction, of course.

 

[Raien Keth]

I haven't killed anyone with Raien for a couple of years, maybe you can task him with hunting and killing a few people you need eliminated? Not as if you'll lose a lot if he fails, he's been inactive for a bit .

Also OOC, Sith civil war can be great if its done right , been through one before, more or less. Though I don't do OOC drama, no time for it.

 

[Krux Mullarus]

*looks around*

I, for one, welcome this opportunity for some very cool conflict. This goes especially for me since Mullarus will someday have to make a decision to remain loyal to the One Sith he has always vowed to serve, or to follow the "Light Sith" of the Black Rose that have grown to trust him, as he mutually has.

This will be fun to see play out. I don't see the confusion, personally.

 

[Corey's OOC]

They're in a battle on the side of the Pubs. I feel that puts them directly against our interests.

I recommend agent orange. It gets the job done really well.

 

[Darth Ophidia]

Actually, Darth Veles is fighting on Contruum as an ally to the One Sith, and he was, the last time I checked, a council member to the Covenant of the Black Rose.

That being said, I suppose Sisterhood Troopers openly fighting against the One Sith has more impact. Which, in turn, will probably worsen the IC relationship between OS and CotBR.