One Sith and the Covenant of the Black Rose

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Vrag"]

It seems you want a war regardless of the facts. Which is your prerogative. Just be honest about the reasons.

There is therefore no point in sharing more facts or repeating the ones presented and I presume the OS won't be happy until it's wiped the COTBR from the map.

Sad doesn't even come close to describing my emotions.

This is yet another case where my ability to write is being dictated by other writers. Corvus is limited where she can thread due to a couple of writers. Melori and Maja are in a similar situation (oddly due to predominantly the same writers) and now you have stopped me writing as Melori in 90% of the threads she participates in.

Or...I can be blackmailed into turning my back on the COTBR

 

[Corey's OOC]

Someone said Civil War?

 

[Reverance]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

IC actions have IC consequences, that's the nature of how writing on a public board works. It's unfortunate that Venefica had to openly declare war in an open forum like that, but it occurred and our characters are responding how they naturally would. Because they are Sith.

There are ways to deal with it, IC, but arguing about it OOC when the action has already occurred isn't going to change anything.

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

As for this, the role specifically was Voice of the Dark Lord, which requires full dedication to the Dark Lord in question, regardless of where the CotBR's loyalties may lie.

Again a variation of the truth. The Voices and Hands are invariably members of other Factions. Some have their own!

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

There are ways to deal with it, IC, but arguing about it OOC when the action has already occurred isn't going to change anything.

Understood...but I'm not going to participate in any civil war that IC does not exist for my character.

But if you're telling me (which I think you are) that I'm not allowed to post in any OS threads again, I have not choice but to obey.

 

[Sage Bane]

I can see where the confusion lies with Darth Venefica's role for sure.

But I'd like to point out that Darth Venefica created the sisterhood IC during her time here in the One Sith, so she is known to most of our characters as a leader of the Black Rose.

Just because she broke away from the OS OOCly, doesn't mean that it retcons our characters' views of her.

[member="Teresa Sin"] [member="Darth Timoris"]

 

[Reverance]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

Never said you couldn't post. Just be prepared to deal with the IC consequences.

 

[Vrag]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

Nobody is forbidding anything to anybody. We are merely informing members of the One Sith, and the CotBR, and whoever else might be interested, of the IC developments that have taken place.

Darth Venefica spoke out against the One Sith in public, and as [member="Sage Bane"] pointed out, she is the most recognizable figure of the CotBR to our characters, which inevitably brings the whole faction into disfavor. Our characters are Sith, and they do not take well to being insulted in front of a whole assembly.

You are free to post wherever and however you wish. We are simply apprising our members of a rather important turn of events.

Again a variation of the truth. The Voices and Hands are invariably members of other Factions. Some have their own!

Such as?

 

[Kahlil Noble]

[member="Vrag"]

Hi. I'm Darth Ferus and Im the creator of the Sith Assassins, a faction that is ultimately it's own faction.

So.. There's an example.

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Reverance"]

I can continue to post to help you Dominion a planet - but expect to get killed as a traitor you mean?

That's a great offer LOL

I am genuinely sad that a Faction that I have given so much to since the last Galactic Event is treating me this way.

Want to hate Venefica? Go ahead. Want to kill Venefica? Have a go. But to say every COTBR member has to leave that Faction or be a traitor? Sorry, that's stretching IC for me.

No debate or discussion - just immediately branded traitors. Not prepared to listen to the FACTS? I am genuinely sorry but if smacks of an OOC argument spilling over into IC actions.

 

[Jairus Starvald]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

Are the members of the Sisterhood - other than Vendefica - loyal to the Dark Lord and through him the One Sith?

 

[Setzi Lunelle]

Here is some advice from a writer who had an active character who betrayed the Sith (Tmoxin Temi).

Just roll with it! Make it into the best storyline of your life. When Tmoxin tried to sabotage the Sith, I spent countless posts evading them, being dramatic that she was going to be killed. Running around with a decoy to put people off my trail.

She ended up going bankrupt and then starting up a new life elsewhere. It was a lot of fun and the best part yet? It was all done IC!

So again, these aren't great circumstances for certain characters, but turn it around and make it into an unforgettable storyline!

 

[Vrag]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

We had an OOC agreement with the CotBR for an alliance until Venefica posted what she did in the Wills thread. There is no OOC argument to 'smack of', as you put it.

I already described how people can avoid persecution a few posts above. You are of course free to devise your own ways to do so, that was merely a suggestion, but understand that you are dealing with Sith, who are not known to be either rational, particularly humble, or very forgiving. Disavowal of CotBR's association with Venefica is a venue of action that the Council members who wish to continue their relationship with the OS would take.

Or you can bring the slighted parties her head on a platter. That could work too. Again, IC actions have IC consequences.

[member="Kage"]

Yes, and the SA is a sub-faction of the One Sith. The CotBR has gone Major, and therefore has a different status.

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

Are the members of the Sisterhood - other than Vendefica - loyal to the Dark Lord and through him the One Sith?

Is Melori loyal to the Dark Lord? Yes.

Many aren't even Sith - just like a lot of the OS members aren't - so aren't loyal to anyone.

[member="Vrag"]

Vornskr has the Panathan Empire - and you're a member of the Primeval, yes? (And the COTBR aren't Major yet).

 

[Jairus Starvald]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

If Melori is loyal to the Dark Lord then why doesn't she declare that Ven's statements are slanderous and reaffirm her loyalness?

 

[Darth Ferus]

[member="Darth Azurea"]

Issue is one character is suddenly responsible for everyone within the same faction being traitors.

This sort of thing has always worried me, cause Ferus's story does end with a betrayal of the One Sith (Big shock there right?) and now I'm questioning continuing his story upon my (hopefully) healthy return to the RP scene because of this. Should he betray the OS, will the entire Sith Assassin group be branded as traitors?

This question is for you, [member="Reverance"] , cause I am now terrified that I I continue the storyline I've been making for the last two years I will drag down a whole group of people I don't mean to because of something like this.

Also, needless to say I'm a bit disappointed. The SA would have told you ICly that Venefica isn't the leader of the Rose, and that she is the only traitor and obviously needs an example made out of her, but no one else.

 

[Darth Timoris]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

If Melori is loyal to the Dark Lord then why doesn't she declare that Ven's statements are slanderous and reaffirm her loyalness?

Because it is not Venefica that is branded an enemy - but the COTBR.

That is my point.

 

[Vrag]

[member="Darth Timoris"]

All members of the One Sith are loyal to the Dark Lord, at least publicly. What they think in the privacy of their minds is of course their prerogative, but as far as the world is concerned, every OS member follows the Dark Lord.

As I said above to @Kage; the Panathan Empire is a minor faction.

OOCly, yes. ICly, Vrag is an ally of the Primeval, nothing more. OOC membership is not an issue here; it's the same character being in a position of power in two Major factions, ICly.

[member="Darth Ferus"]

Your character was Shadow of the Dark Lord, and therefore the leader of the faction. The person who answers directly to the Dark Lord, and the one chosen by the Dark Lord to be the best and most trusted. If it turns out that it was his best that betrayed him, how could the Dark Lord hope to trust the rest?

Again, this sort of thing can be amended by the loyalists taking up arms and declaring their loyalty anew, as has been stated a few times now, by various people.

 

[Eralam]

Darth Timoris, on 27 Sept 2015 - 1:58 PM, said: Again a variation of the truth. The Voices and Hands are invariably members of other Factions. Some have their own! Such as?

I am technically a member of the OS, just like I am also a member of the GR. I owe no IC allegiance to either group, but I do like to follow along.

Perhaps this is the cause of the issue [member="Darth Timoris"] brought up?

 

[Darth Ferus]

[member="Vrag"]

I wouldn't say the SA is a subfaction so much anymore. It's only in name alone at this point. My members, it's activity, all of it could make it into a major faction if we wanted. We're satisfied with the RP we get with the OS and we enjoy the people here, but we are in no way stuck under the OS if we don't wish to be, which seems to be a common theme for subfactions.