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Ashin Varanin

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[member="Noah Corek"] - Say a judge, let's call him R., stamps something that he doesn't have the gun background to fully understand. Then along comes a judge -- let's call him P. -- who actually knows how guns work, and judges a similar weapon a couple of weeks later. He sees the problems that R. didn't, and so, he denies it on concept. In this situation, the submitter would probably be better off counting his blessings.

The weapon remains denied on concept, after my review.
 
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/30927-mh-ew24-anti-ordnance-em-probes/

The review process was not yet complete. The submission was denied for two reasons. One of which was for an upper range limit that was not yet included in the sub... a range limit that I was not actually going to pick for the weapon anyway. The second was for the 1 warhead value rating which I was intending to increase.

To clarify. I was waiting on the response and opinions of the reviewing judge before any final propositions were made. I was giving a possible worst case scenario (in this case a warhead with a potential 1 mile range that is the same value as a standard concussion warhead) and then was going to listen to the views, opinions, and concerns of the reviewing judge and then propose a much more reasonable option (such as a 400-800 diameter ranged warhead at a value of 3-4 warheads each) which is much more likely to get approved. I wanted to hear her opinion on an 'acceptable ballpark' before I made my final suggestion and was fully expecting to get asked to increase the weapon value anyway. And honestly, after researching the real world technology that this weapon system is based on, I was planning to offer up an increased weapon value anyway.

Again. The review process was not complete when the submission was denied by a third party, and the justification for denial was based on aspects that were not yet concrete.

[member="Ashin Varanin"]
 

Matreya

Well-Known Member
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/31439-damiens-boomerang/

1) I legitametly stated i was recycling an old thread that I put quite a bit of work into, which its sub for was then denied, and instead of simply being like oh im makin a sword instead, I found an idea that could still some what correlate with said description so as not to waste that time i worked.

2) At that time, I was a mediocrely active Manda and have even since been told by Vet Manda that Im one of the more active newcomers.
 

Saera Willamina Savan

~+--- Skaidra ---+~ Beskarsmith, Alchemist
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/31293-crystal-heart-nightfang-parasols/#entry443349

I was asked to remove the monomolecular...ness from my submission because it would break as soon as it hit something. This is not a valid cause to change the submission. Yes; it would have to be treated with delicacy lest it be damaged, but this is a given. I was not asked to elaborate that. I was asked to change it completely. The submission it is based on it was monomolecular. The canon was monomolecular. Both of those aren't denied.

Amending to that while we're at it, let's go over simple balance concerns - because this was not addressed until after it was denied. :)
Let's say the alchemy doesn't make it "nearly indestructible" like every other Sith sword. The implied fragility of a monomolecular blade would not affect all of the other abilities of a Sith sword. Namely, lightsabers don't actually make contact, they're repelled by the polarity. Thus, even if they did have a substantial mass to impact with, it wouldn't ever break the blade. Going off that - since those traits are entirely the focus of the submission - this is still an entirely practical weapon even with the fragility of a monomolecular blade, ignoring that side of the effects of alchemy for balance's sake (which I'm willing to do).

" Change: Also, you put that monomolecular edging was used in this application, I’m going to have to ask that this be changed as monomolecular edging would break as soon as it strikes something."

Monomolecular edges would break as soon as it struck something - but this is fact. Nowhere in that sentence am I asked to write that, despite it being true with the canon and with the former submission. Not a "please add X because the canon says Y," no "but it's too much for one sword, tone it down." Monomolecular blades are allowed... so by telling me to change it because it simply is, isn't a very good reason. It was probably just a lack of clarity on their part, but that's what Second Chance is for.

Willing to forgo the description of fragility for balance sake; yes.
Willing to remove it entirely for no given reason whatsoever; no.
 

Ashin Varanin

Professional Enabler
[member="Særa Ayña Savan"]
Your second chance submission does not accurately reflect your arguments and submission details as written in the sub. From what I can see here, you tried to make an indestructible weapon with an infinite edge. I quote here your response to the edit request:
1. Sith/Alchemy swords are really, really hard. "Nearly indestructible."

2. The original sub didn't break on contact. The canon didn't break on contact. Why the special treatment?
3: Literally, the only point of buying the design was because of this property and how it was incorporated into the type of weapon. Suffice it to say the only difference is that it's a Sith sword and more than one.


The original sub and the canon sub broke on contact, you applied 'near indestructibility' to an edge that's basically made of really sharp icing sugar, and previous submissions are not to be taken as precedent for new ones. Additionally, further rants over why judges are wrong -- we're well into double digits -- will get you a permanent factory ban.


Your second chance has resulted in a second denial.
 

Saera Willamina Savan

~+--- Skaidra ---+~ Beskarsmith, Alchemist
The sub says, contrary to what you said about the infinite edge, that it required incredibly high level of maintenance to maintain, ergo notnearly infinite.

Likewise, your post above completely ignores my complete compliance to add the fragility. How the heck do you ignore willingness to change but say I am not?! I hope everyone sees this so they can see how corrupt it really is.

Is it "Blatantly ignore everything I actually said" week?!?!?!

There is obvious bias involved. I almost wish you would so that I can stop Roleplaying here and convincing myself theres any good left in any of you.

I am furious; not with the denial but your complete straight-faced ignorance and disregard of my entire second chance post. Its like I wasted that whole time writing it and that Id make it fragile because you were going to completely give not a poodoo if I would or wouldnt anyways.

No. Thats an understatement. I am livid and completely dumbfounded this is even happening, wondering, how does he even do that?

It should be no mystery now I freaking quit. Good lord, its overdue.
 
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/23618-ashlan-alpha/

Most of his problems, I have found something of a solution for or can live without. I am willing to do almost a complete overhaul on reasons on why this is possible project. As for the possibility of alt padding, that seems to me like no reason to stop such a large story idea like this. Such a thing is easily fixed by just telling me, I have to be willing to kill Ace off. His file has less than fifteen posts and if anyone has read my threads, they notice that I always place Ace in a safe spot. This is likely NOT going to change. Ae is sessentially a jedi's version of a pet sithspawn, in fact he is weaker than most sithspawn out there. The ashlan alpha is also not a caste of creatures, but a mutation tha releases chemicals which cause a metamorphosis. If you wish to see what I mean by this, I will happpily show you the revised submission in which I addressed EVERY problem I saw that he had with the submission. As for whether or not metamorphosis is possible, the http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Codru-J Is a species that starts out as wolves and turns to humans. If they can change species in a few weeks, an ashlan wolf can grow in size in a month or more.

If I haven't said it in this blurb before, I'm saying it now. The impossibiility of them existing because its a "force bond" does not apply. Because, It is NOT a force bond.
 
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/32881-alverdes-aden/#entry467248

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_projector
From wookiee
The plasma projector was a massive and unwieldy weapon that fired bolts of plasma energy at its target. Only highly trained marksmen were capable of handling this weapon."
From sub

Plasma projectors are normally large and unwieldy created to be used as rifles and cannons. They were more akin to a musket firing a shot off that could strike and burn through armor and group. It took skilled marksmen and women to accurately fire one. (which is why the Field Marshel and higher as they would have trained enough to fire)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Diatium_power_cell
From Wookiee

Diatium power cells contained extremely concentrated amounts of trumponium gas that would form a plasma rod when heated.
From sub

The power cells are loaded into the barrels and when the trigger is pulled go through the same process as a saber activating. The trumponium gas is heated to create a rod of plasma that is sent through without containment to the end of the barrels
The canon materials of a plasma projector being as I said is literally the entire description of the weapon and providing other canon articles to link that how to produce the plasma for the weapon is done. I will make edits and work with on it.
 

Ashin Varanin

Professional Enabler
I apologize for the backlog in here; I'm going to attempt to see to it that our turnover for second chances is much quicker than it has been before.

[member="Særa Ayña Savan"]


Ashin Varanin said:
Additionally, further rants over why judges are wrong -- we're well into double digits -- will get you a permanent factory ban.
The Factory is a privilege, not a right. As I'm sure you've surmised from the silence of factory staff on the matter, your submissions are no longer welcome in the Factory, and your second chance remains denied.

[member="Vulpesen"]
Just noting for thread continuity purposes that this has been addressed in the submission.

[member="Noah Corek"]
I agree with the original judge's reasons for denial, but I've brought out the submission for edits -- substantial edits.

[member="Levy Willamina"]
You're trying to make a handheld version of that 'extremely large and unwieldy' technology, sufficient to shoot lightsabre blades. Your second chance has resulted in a second denial, sorry.
 
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/33942-hakora-shins-armor/#entry481678


I do not deny it is not ready and the denial was unfair.

I want to make two points:

1. I have searched and searched for a rule stating that using the armor of a canon sith or adding to canon is forbidden. This tells me that is is ether not a rule or it is hard to find. Regardless, I have looked at submissions and do not see a problem of people trying to use past canon people's stuff. My armor only resembles Darth Malek's armor in two ways, design pattern and because it was worn by past siths it makes Hakora's eyes and hair change power.

2. I would also like permission to keep the thread up and unlocked as I do not have a personal computer that I can save it as a document on and would like to keep working on it and resubmit it after the dev thread is finished and I do apologize for posting it early.

Furthermore, the judge said that the armor's ability to heal the surface (which does not add any benefit except that it keeps the armor looking nice.) is a powerful modification and requires sith alchemy. This seems a bit too much work for an armor. Sure to use mandalorian iron I DID find a section that has an objective that must be met, but besides that all this armor is in my mind is suppose post to be an agile, but strong armor.

I will also accept any help to make this armor more possible as when I made Hakora Shin his profile has him having a battle suit so I will try over and over and over to approve this armor changing it as much as needed so unless you want me to keep resubmitting help would be...helpful.

That wasn't a threat, but determination.
 
[member="Hakora Shin"]
You do not deny that the denial was unfair? So you don't think it was unfair?

Either way, we do not legislate every eventuality. The question of adding things to canon is something which has come up occasionally. We are coming down heavily on the side that 'we will not allow original items belonging to canon characters'. As [member="Valik"] said, it's far too easy for people to submit 'Yoda's Lightsabre' or 'Sidious' Manicure Set'. That's not how we want things to go. Legitimate canon items can come up, but we're not having dubiously attested armour that you claim is Malak's turning up.
In any case, your reasoning is faulty, since we know Revan did not create this armour as he did not have time or resources to do so. If you've read the novel Revan you'd see this clearly.

The thread will remain in the archives and will remain locked as it retains the submission you made for future reference. My suggestion is that you create a blog post and paste it into there and work on it from there.

Quality 8-9 armour, force imbued, with regeneration abilities, deserves at least one or more substantial dev threads. Trying to avoid this by claiming it's a relic undermines the whole system. Go for something less powerful, or do the work to get it approved.

You only get two chances. If you make changes and ask for it to be resubmitted, that is your second and final chance. Submitting something over and over will not go down well and will see sanctions applied if you do that.
That is also not a threat, but a statement of fact.
 

J3C0

Guest
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I'm going to go ahead and second chance this, and present my arguments here to Ilias points here.

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/34657-liran/#entry490895

1. The example i was working off for this was Sith Purebloods. The Sith Species are the perfect canon example of a race that is almost entirely force sensitive. The canon sources state that most Sith Purebloods are force sensitive in some way. Granted i realize my species is not Sith Purebloods, and i'm more than willing to tone this down, in fact i'm willing to entirely get rid of the force sensitivity due to your second point because you were correct in that.

2. I agree with you on this and honestly i wasn't actually thinking about it at the time. On this board several powerful force users have been cloned no problem with no questions asked this is what i had in mind at the time. I simply forgot that in Star Wars canon this is actually a huge problem and simply doesn't work, so yes i'm willing to rid of the force sensitivity entirely as honestly my plans for the species didn't really necessitate that ability.

3. There's three similarities between Asari and this species, the first is that Between the two species both are powerful in their mystical energy field(Biotics and the Force), something that i will be getting rid of if i'm allowed to redo it. Their appearance is similar obviously, and they both have a matriarchal society. The latter of the two are rather difficult to change, i choose Asari as the playby's for the species due to their appearance as small and lithe, i didn't want to create yet another elf-like species in order to do what i had in mind. This board is also severely lacking in female(at least in appearance) dominant societies.

To Counter your arguments, here are my thoughts on the differences between the two. The Madness is not at all the same thing as Ardat-Yakshi's, one makes the species into crazy sex fiends that kills people in order to feed off their emotions, while mine causes brain degradation to a point where they attack anything and everything and are no longer fully functioning sentient. To address your Quarian comment, the idea of a Nomadic species isn't exactly a new one. I more got the idea from the Diasporex of Warhammer 40k rather than the Quarian's. This is because the Quarians are considered a blight and the Liran are none such thing. To further add to the differences, the Liran as a culture are entirely set on self preservation and selfishness, the Asari are far more diplomacy orientated(They were the ones that set up the council and found the Citadel first). Another difference of the species is their age, though the Liran are functionally immortal i did state they have generally shot lifespans without the aid of cloning while Asari regularly live up to a thousand years. To further clap it on, Asari are somewhat of a sex symbol in the Mass Effect universe, Liran are in fact sexless, literally.

There's a few more differences i could state, though if this isn't enough to convince i won't argue further as i understand there's a fine line between cross-overs and what i'm trying to do.
 

Ashin Varanin

Professional Enabler
[member="Darth Mierin"]

I'm moving your submission back to the Species forum, where a staffer or FJ will tackle it on Second Chance. Good luck, and go for those edits, I'd say.
 
http://starwarsrp.net/topic/35171-suvian-sciences-synthetic-crystal-creation-device/#entry502604

There have been devices that usually require the Force to create light-saber crystals. So I believe there should be some that can do so without any need for force abilities as well. Granted, I will make whatever changes are required. There are examples of Force Dead Crystals such as the Lambent ones used by the Yuuzhan Vong that occurred naturally. Thus I believe synthetic creation of the crystals should be allowed.
 
[member="Evard L'Rik"]
In the factory rules:

  • All submissions need to conform to the general idea of Star Wars. This means no giant humanoid mecha, no super crazy transforming vehicles, etc.
And ultimately you fall into both of the examples of what's not allowed.

Star Wars is Star Wars, not mech warrior, not Star Trek and not anything else.

Your request is denied. However, if you create something more in the spirit of Star Wars you're welcome to resubmit a different item.
 

Evard L'Rik

Got Lightning Running Through my Veins
[member="Valeria Aetani"]

Regardless of what it looks like, if I took away the morphing bit, it still couldn't be a walker, for example?
 
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