A United Jedi Order

[Menka Guga]

[member="Isley Verd"]


Force-Users are soooo booooring... it'd be like watching a gay couple soap opera/drama
FYI not against gays.

 

[Placeholder 04]

That we can, and I'm excited to see so many people supporting the idea.

I can't facilitate much faction wise, but I will speak to the leaders of every little group I know of and try to get them on board, so that we may have a real discussion in the Jedi Academy boards.

ICly, Cyril is well received by most of the factions. If things go well, I will have him travel to each group and try to gather everyone up for real IC talks.

Is everyone okay with this?

 

[Jsc]

[member="Cyril Grayson"] - Just send out cards dude. Lulz.

 

[Kira Talith]

[member="Ilias Nytrau"] and I have the "Tree" we like to call, that is the Headmistress of the Jedi Academy network that can also help as an NPC neutral presence.

 

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[member="Jay Scott Clark"] - Cards are lame. I have to wear the cloak and tell the stupid prophecy, otherwise none of the Orcs will go to Kalimdor.

 

[Jsc]

Faction owners of any invading factions can simply agree in their terms to up the amount or not let there be an ally limit....

Is this a loophole of bullet point 4 in the Requesting Aid Rules? Because bullet point 2 seems really loud to me? Is this for real?

 

[Darth Carnifex]

[member="Cyril Grayson"]

( <fanboying] To be fair, when Chris and Mason put their heads together its like one lucky faction has hit the lotto. </fanboying] )

Oh yeah, Chris and Mason were instrumental in laying the groundwork for the faction, but there's plenty of other factors as well.

Not to mention the age old confession that if we had done poorly in our initial invasion, the Invasion of Coruscant, the One Sith would not have become the galactic entity they are now.

 

[Arlan Zy'rosh]

While I'm still new to this forum I've actually seen this exact same problem on a different Star Wars Role-Playing site a long time ago. The main problem for any group, and I think it's already been stated, is the "I'm Special Dilemma" with most characters. The larger a group gets the more a person, or group of people, therein want their views and opinions to be heard. Eventually tempers flare, either ICly or OOCly, and those that feel unappreciated splinter off instead of trying to work things out.

Now I personally like the idea of have The Jedi, a singular entity and powerhouse, but no matter what happens EVERY light-side force-using faction won't concede and merge factions even if most do. Most people, including myself, simply have to much pride to let something they build change into something unfamiliar and risk having no say in the after product.

Now the council idea is good, and could potentially stave off disaster from those feeling unheard, but then again 9/10 times things like this follow a pattern. Eventually that one guy/gal is going to garner more support, either OOCly or ICly, from faction members and become top dog even if unintentional. When that happens one of the supposed "Equal" Grandmasters is going to feel slighted and stir the pot.

The only way I can feasibly see governing a faction born of many others merging, is if the Grandmasters have equal say regardless of supporters in the faction. That would be the only way to keep the 'cool kid on campus' from swaying things his/her way. Then again if you do that you will have to contend with the moaning of the normal members who debate they should have more say.

All in all, regardless of what you do, it's going to be a long hard road. When looking at all this I can honestly say a blank slate and new faction seems the most likely to succeed, once all others are abolished.

 

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[member="Arlan Zy'rosh"] - We won't be forcing the other factions to lose their identity. It is a merge, yes, but they won't be required to give up what they have.

As for the 'cool kid on the block', we are not going to allow that to happen. There will be a system of checks and balances, and no one on the Council is going to have any more say than the other.

Besides, it's IC, and if someone gets power hungry, it'll make for a lovely little story of intrigue and such.

 

[Menka Guga]

Spoiler

Guys why don't we just bring back the je'daii

I mean...

Jokes aside My Point Is

[...]

"I'm Special Dilemma" won't ever allow a unified Jedi Order, it'll never happen

 

[Kira Talith]

Is this a loophole of bullet point 4 in the Requesting Aid Rules? Because bullet point 2 seems really loud to me? Is this for real?

Before an Invasion begins, Faction Leaders must convene to discuss how the Invasion will be handled by both sides to account for fairness and balance. If a compromise cannot be reached please consult a Role-play Judge.


If both faction leaders of both factions feel that it is fair and balanced to up ally limits or not have ally limits and adhere to whatever else they want to do... that's on them as long as they compromised and agreed to it. Just as some invasions have no allies or the ally numbers are cut in half.

There have been discussions by other factions with playing with those terms of either allowing more allies for a faction as a token of good faith or just doing away with it for their invasion terms just as a free for all brawl.

The ally limit rules are there to set the standard on what the max is. But if both faction leaders and their members don't care to maintain that maximum number and are okay to let people have more?

They can agree for those to be their terms.



It is kinda like when the OS agreed to do three invasions at the same time by three other factions.

 

[Menka Guga]

Ignore this how did this get here this is a dirty little double post curse my horrible HoloNet reception

 

[Jsc]

When looking at all this I can honestly say a blank slate and new faction seems the most likely to succeed, once all others are abolished.

We can change 1% of the status quo and get a tentative alliance of superpowers going. Or we can wipe 100% of the slate and create 100% of another faction with 100% no idea how to put it together in a way 100% of people will even participate with.

I'm going to go with the 1%. Change small, profit big. Change big, profit small. No deleting. Just a nice coop system of groups talking and refocusing in the JAN.

 

[Coren Starchaser]

*gets to work with an GA/OS war using the Jedi*

 

[Eralam]

As a neutral observer, I like what I see. There is a lot of potential here, and if you guys can get this going without dealing with the IC or OOC politics that have plagued the boards as of late, you'll be set. Will this be a permanent arrangement? Probably not. But if you can get six months to a year out of it, I think it'll be well worth the effort. If nothing else, you can help push back the Sith and go your separate ways after that.

It might be helpful to establish left and right limits for what exactly constitutes a Jedi Order. It doesn't have to be a strict set of requirements, but maybe a sort of general guideline for keeping everyone more or less on the same page. Maybe start with the Jedi Code and work from there.

 

[Jsc]

It might be helpful to establish left and right limits for what exactly constitutes a Jedi Order. It doesn't have to be a strict set of requirements, but maybe a sort of general guideline for keeping everyone more or less on the same page. Maybe start with the Jedi Code and work from there.

The trick is not to ask for a change. In rules or identity. Let every Jedi from every Order pray, believe, creedo, and participate as they wish. As Coren mentioned early on. With respect, we can find a place for everybody to contribute without asking a single thing more of them. This is not a conglomeration that issues everybody new uniforms and handbooks. It simply refocuses our diversity into something inspiring.

 

[Coren Starchaser]

#TeamLightSide
#Ruusan2.0
#DeathToAllForceUsers
#TeamLightSide
#UnitedJediFront

 

[Placeholder 04]

#TeamLightSide
#Ruusan2.0
#DeathToAllForceUsers
#TeamLightSide
#UnitedJediFront

One of these is not like the other~

 

[Menka Guga]

Anyone notice the Je'Daii logo looks like the Galactic Empire Cog gear? Suspicious...

 

[Eralam]

The trick is not to ask for a change. In rules or identity. Let every Jedi from every Order pray, believe, creedo, and participate as they wish. As Coren mentioned early on. With respect, we can find a place for everybody to contribute without asking a single thing more of them. This is not a conglomeration that issues everybody new uniforms and handbooks. It simply refocuses our diversity into something inspiring.

Aye, but with that comes the notion that there are groups that might like to join, but fall outside of the spectrum of what might be considered a Jedi. The Code allows you a common frame of reference. It might be interpreted differently, or taken more seriously in some groups than others, but it's still a common thread that binds most Jedi groups together. When you try to get a united front going, the key is, well, unity.