After a few hours sleep to recover from working all night I am strangely ok with this idea. One last hoorah and let the chips fall where they will. Those of us that want to fight for the existing public can toss our two alts or so into one last push. If we fail then at least we went down fighting and I can live with that. If we succeed then we earn the right as writers and characters both to keep the Republic we want.Flint Dexen said:
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Blackhot
Member
[member="Kiskla Grayson"] I'm not down with a canned win for the One Sith. While I understand the mentality of some RPers is more on enjoying the journey than the destination, for me, part of the fun of role-playing is coming up with a story organically. There's nothing interesting to me in predetermined outcomes when it comes to RPing. That's not much different than writing a book or playing a Bioware RPG. Both enjoyable experiences in their own right, but that's not what I'm looking for here. If we get smashed and have to run to the OP or form a Rebellion/New Republic/Whatever, then so be it, but I want that to be determined IC via PvP. Give us a chance, I think the Republic still has a lot of fight left. Invasions are a lot more gamey in in nature than a typical thread, but one can still craft a wonderful story for themselves.
Terras Zordok
Character
[member="Ayden Cater"]
Just out of curiosity... what's in it for the Omega Protectorate?
If I was part of the Protectorate, I would hate to merge with the Republic, even if it means gaining a bit more activity. In the triumvirate, the Protectorate seems to get less power than the Republic, since the Jedi Grandmaster is a triumvirate member, as well as the "High Councilor". Clearly if the Senate is going to be the primary legislative body of the new alliance, then that would mean that the Senate will obviously gain the control over the current Protectorate territory. Are members of the Omega Protectorate actually willing to get involved into what I'd call the 'senate / political game'?
I'm simply curious since many of our members seemed to be taking it for a given that the Omega Protectorate is willing to merge with us. I feel as if we have neglected the fact that the Omega Protectorate may have an opinion that differs from our own regarding the merge, and that it is possible that while we may want to merge, the Protectorate may choose not to merge.
Just out of curiosity... what's in it for the Omega Protectorate?
If I was part of the Protectorate, I would hate to merge with the Republic, even if it means gaining a bit more activity. In the triumvirate, the Protectorate seems to get less power than the Republic, since the Jedi Grandmaster is a triumvirate member, as well as the "High Councilor". Clearly if the Senate is going to be the primary legislative body of the new alliance, then that would mean that the Senate will obviously gain the control over the current Protectorate territory. Are members of the Omega Protectorate actually willing to get involved into what I'd call the 'senate / political game'?
I'm simply curious since many of our members seemed to be taking it for a given that the Omega Protectorate is willing to merge with us. I feel as if we have neglected the fact that the Omega Protectorate may have an opinion that differs from our own regarding the merge, and that it is possible that while we may want to merge, the Protectorate may choose not to merge.
Hal Terrano
Prince of Porridge
Honestly, I'm pretty loosy goosy with what happens. I mean, these ideas have been on the cards for so long now. Change is good, and it's not like there aren't other options if a merger doesn't turn out to be my cup of tea.
Directorate Officer
Clarification question:Ayden Cater said:
So if we go through the Battle of Anaxes as currently planned, the Galactic Republic is going to lose 2/3rds of its present territory?
Or if we go through a more organic storyline that Flint was discussing, that'd be the stakes?
Flint Dexen
Wandering Lost Soul
[member="Gir Quee"]
I think that's only if we lose Anaxes ICly. (or OOCly choose to lose)
It's if the merger with OP does happen.
It's if the merger with OP does happen.
Coryth Elaris
Shortstack of Fire
If the Republic and OP merge, one of them would lose 2/3 of their current territory.
At least that is my understanding, as a very similar thing was going to happen the first time a merger was brought up with the Republic and Omega. It's nothing to do with the current story. That is what is at stake for either faction if a merger was to go through.
[member="Flint Dexen"] [member="Gir Quee"]
At least that is my understanding, as a very similar thing was going to happen the first time a merger was brought up with the Republic and Omega. It's nothing to do with the current story. That is what is at stake for either faction if a merger was to go through.
[member="Flint Dexen"] [member="Gir Quee"]
The Widow
Gir Quee said:
No.
This is saying that if the merger goes through with OP, the republic will lose 2/3's of its territory in becoming the alliance.
Which makes sense because icly not all planets will be pro it, so some may seceed.
The End Narrator
Narrator
Territory can be regained.
I think that is a minor glitch that can easily be resolved.
The reality is that the One Sith can easily gain alot of ground in a short amount of time with the Republic as stagnant as it is, with the turn over rate and their ability to recruit from within (Members recruiting to the other side, found that one to be a bit shocking.) this easily cripples our numbers to leave planets to be picked off. I mean, sorry guys, it is what it is.
I don't believe even being one of the ones who was all for this, now, knowing that little bit of information - I'm all in.
EDIT - I'm inclined to disagree with the above. More QQ most likely led to a decision of a 2/3rds - Which to me is a bit much. I don't run this place, so yeah. I can only imagine how the conversation of the QQing by specific members went. Comments withheld. ^_^
I think that is a minor glitch that can easily be resolved.
The reality is that the One Sith can easily gain alot of ground in a short amount of time with the Republic as stagnant as it is, with the turn over rate and their ability to recruit from within (Members recruiting to the other side, found that one to be a bit shocking.) this easily cripples our numbers to leave planets to be picked off. I mean, sorry guys, it is what it is.
I don't believe even being one of the ones who was all for this, now, knowing that little bit of information - I'm all in.
EDIT - I'm inclined to disagree with the above. More QQ most likely led to a decision of a 2/3rds - Which to me is a bit much. I don't run this place, so yeah. I can only imagine how the conversation of the QQing by specific members went. Comments withheld. ^_^
Duch’a of Selab
Normal mergers between factions are standard one planet is kept. Some don't even get planets if they are too far away, like the Fel Empire when it merged with ASA or when the SSS merged with the Black Sun -- neither of these kept territory.
When the GTG merged with CSA? Hypori was the only planet kept -- and then they had to redominion getting every other planet they had lost in that merger.
AE lost the entirety of Chiss space when they merged with LotF. And when Horde merged with CSA, again, they kept all of one planet.
Mandos gained only Dathomir with the merger of the witches. (Granted it was the only planet they had lol )
And back in the day, when The Syndicate merged with OP? They only kept Corellia.
Retaining 1/3 of your faction in a merger is actually very generous. That is only because the Republic has be longstanding since Chaos' creation.
OP was given the same exact option when they were to merge with AE as Coryth restated-- the same one Tef is giving here.
There is no QQ'ing. It just is.
And for transparency's sake, this was what the map would have looked like if OP had merged with the republic back last December. You can clearly see they would have lost all but 1/3 of their territory. ( they would have kept the red part) Same as it is being stated for this potential merger, but instead it is for the Republic.
When the GTG merged with CSA? Hypori was the only planet kept -- and then they had to redominion getting every other planet they had lost in that merger.
AE lost the entirety of Chiss space when they merged with LotF. And when Horde merged with CSA, again, they kept all of one planet.
Mandos gained only Dathomir with the merger of the witches. (Granted it was the only planet they had lol )
And back in the day, when The Syndicate merged with OP? They only kept Corellia.
Retaining 1/3 of your faction in a merger is actually very generous. That is only because the Republic has be longstanding since Chaos' creation.
OP was given the same exact option when they were to merge with AE as Coryth restated-- the same one Tef is giving here.
There is no QQ'ing. It just is.
And for transparency's sake, this was what the map would have looked like if OP had merged with the republic back last December. You can clearly see they would have lost all but 1/3 of their territory. ( they would have kept the red part) Same as it is being stated for this potential merger, but instead it is for the Republic.
Corvus Raaf
Adieu...
OK - I've voted. As it's a public vote, it seemed sensible (to me at least) to explain the rationale.
First of all, my vote was OOC. That’s not to say Corvus would have voted differently – but it made most sense to vote in a way that was best for the current Faction, not what was best for one character.
And choosing the merger seemed the obvious way to go – increase the number of active NFUs, bring in a (hopefully) more active member base etc. etc.
My previous ‘toy out of a pram’ post is worth a mention. My disappointment was that the options on the table were the combination of a few weeks of review – when the issue as I saw it (IMHO) wasn’t being addressed. And to be fair, none of the options cover it – so I’ll say it now.
And this is just the view of a FU. As a Padawan (and I know I’m not speaking for myself alone – just look at the Master’s wanted thread – and I speak to enough other FUs myself) the problem is lack of development from established FUs.
I know this won’t be a popular post, but if I don’t say it, I’ll feel bad for not voicing the opinions of so many that have shared this frustration with me. Unless we have active Knights/Masters, any option will fail to resolve this. Masters are appointed (and we accept RL happens to some) but so many Padawans don’t get development. And then the SJ or the OS come along and offer you posts and development and we wonder why people jump ship?
Within hours of this thread starting I was contacted about taking my FU to a variety of other Factions. And please don’t think I’m threatening to leave if I don’t get my way. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – OOC Corvus will be the last Jedi to leave the Order. She will have to be taken kicking and screaming from the Academy (and she’ll stuff as many Holocrons as she can in her pocket before she goes).
#justmyopinionOK?
First of all, my vote was OOC. That’s not to say Corvus would have voted differently – but it made most sense to vote in a way that was best for the current Faction, not what was best for one character.
And choosing the merger seemed the obvious way to go – increase the number of active NFUs, bring in a (hopefully) more active member base etc. etc.
My previous ‘toy out of a pram’ post is worth a mention. My disappointment was that the options on the table were the combination of a few weeks of review – when the issue as I saw it (IMHO) wasn’t being addressed. And to be fair, none of the options cover it – so I’ll say it now.
And this is just the view of a FU. As a Padawan (and I know I’m not speaking for myself alone – just look at the Master’s wanted thread – and I speak to enough other FUs myself) the problem is lack of development from established FUs.
I know this won’t be a popular post, but if I don’t say it, I’ll feel bad for not voicing the opinions of so many that have shared this frustration with me. Unless we have active Knights/Masters, any option will fail to resolve this. Masters are appointed (and we accept RL happens to some) but so many Padawans don’t get development. And then the SJ or the OS come along and offer you posts and development and we wonder why people jump ship?
Within hours of this thread starting I was contacted about taking my FU to a variety of other Factions. And please don’t think I’m threatening to leave if I don’t get my way. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – OOC Corvus will be the last Jedi to leave the Order. She will have to be taken kicking and screaming from the Academy (and she’ll stuff as many Holocrons as she can in her pocket before she goes).
#justmyopinionOK?
Duch’a of Selab
They are presently voting right now in regards to the merger as well.Alena Beswin said:
So far the totals are as follows:
- 4 Yes
- 10 No
- 2 Unsure.
Terras Zordok
Character
Thanks for the info! [member="Persephone Callas"]
So even if our voting results ends up going in the favor of the merger, I don't think it can happen because the Protectorate seems to be against it. (unless we are ICly forcing a merger or something)
I think at such point, the main focus boils down to our crucial fight at Anaxes, whether we fight to victory, fight to defeat, or break up into rebels without a fight.
I highly suggest we fight, whether it is to victory or defeat.
So even if our voting results ends up going in the favor of the merger, I don't think it can happen because the Protectorate seems to be against it. (unless we are ICly forcing a merger or something)
I think at such point, the main focus boils down to our crucial fight at Anaxes, whether we fight to victory, fight to defeat, or break up into rebels without a fight.
I highly suggest we fight, whether it is to victory or defeat.
Duch’a of Selab
[member="Alena Beswin"]
That is correct. Unless both factions agree to the merger, it cannot go through.
That is correct. Unless both factions agree to the merger, it cannot go through.
Directorate Officer
Assuming the merger is a no go, how would those of us who voted for the merger change our votes?
Tricia Kalamack
Sleeps all day.... yawns all night
[member="Gir Quee"] you should see an option to delete your vote. You can do that if you want to change it but you never know what can happen. There is still plenty of time.
The End Narrator
Narrator
Honestly, if it were me, I'd keep it the way it is if there is no merger.
To go into the Rebel Alliance is like rolling the dice - Stupid. You wanna gamble, go to Las Vegas. I honestly believe that if people are "bored" or stagnated with stories that bad, then well you need to look at yourself and what you are doing to change it.
I also believe there are other factors attempting to work in favor of downfall and prevention of a merge for their own purposes, their own story writing, ect. Again, I really don't care if people defend this statement or don't give me a like for it. I call it how I see it.
I'm sure some people will come in, mostly the followers and lackeys and go "It's a conspiracy!" Mockery, ect. Or even snide remarks will follow, just shows I'm right. You aren't a member of a Faction to turn around and recruit new members away to prevent growth, you do it to screw people over.
But that is just my quick, defensive, evil, angry, devlish, exhausted, bona-fide perception.
To go into the Rebel Alliance is like rolling the dice - Stupid. You wanna gamble, go to Las Vegas. I honestly believe that if people are "bored" or stagnated with stories that bad, then well you need to look at yourself and what you are doing to change it.
I also believe there are other factors attempting to work in favor of downfall and prevention of a merge for their own purposes, their own story writing, ect. Again, I really don't care if people defend this statement or don't give me a like for it. I call it how I see it.
I'm sure some people will come in, mostly the followers and lackeys and go "It's a conspiracy!" Mockery, ect. Or even snide remarks will follow, just shows I'm right. You aren't a member of a Faction to turn around and recruit new members away to prevent growth, you do it to screw people over.
But that is just my quick, defensive, evil, angry, devlish, exhausted, bona-fide perception.
Avalore Eden
If there be light...
Sooooo...
Got any positive input for us Aralyn?
Got any positive input for us Aralyn?
All input is positive. Just because you may not agree with her point of view does not mean it does not have merit.
The Admiralty
[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]
A few posts ago you didn't believe the Republic could change its direction, continue the fight - what changed besides the fact that your push for a Galactic Alliance has been rendered moot by the members of the Protectorate?
Because now you suddenly want the Republic to stay as is and that confuses me, when you yourself have already stated that it ain't got what it takes to keep running.
A few posts ago you didn't believe the Republic could change its direction, continue the fight - what changed besides the fact that your push for a Galactic Alliance has been rendered moot by the members of the Protectorate?
Because now you suddenly want the Republic to stay as is and that confuses me, when you yourself have already stated that it ain't got what it takes to keep running.
