Suggestion Reconstruction/Revitalize/Something Catchier About Bringing Planets Back

[Amani Serys]

But if you read the timeline and looked at the map, wouldn't you have known said planet was destroyed?

Considering the last time the timeline was updated was almost two years ago, I wouldn't consider that an ironclad defense

 

[Darth Carnifex]

It has never been a requirement. Do you know how many contradictory threads are written all the time on chaos?

Here's a list of 'destroyed' worlds that many people don't know about despite the big threads and codex subs around it:

Mandalore, first time (razed by Sith)
Korriban, first time (pelted by hyperspace asteroids)
Mandalore, third time I don't remember the specifics of the second (stripped mined by sithspawn)
Fresia (whole planet reduced to blood soup)

Countless others. It hapoens all the time. There are dozens of threads with it, but most people will never know these because it happened a decade ago.

It's not disrespectful. People just don't know these things. People weren't here for it, and shouldn't be beholden to something a stranger on the internet decided years prior. That's always been Chaos.

Dromund Kaas getting pelted with an asteroid and turned into a nuclear winter hellscape.

 

[Caelan Valoren]

It has never been a requirement. Do you know how many contradictory threads are written all the time on chaos?

Here's a list of 'destroyed' worlds that many people don't know about despite the big threads and codex subs around it:

Mandalore, first time (razed by Sith)
Korriban, first time (pelted by hyperspace asteroids)
Mandalore, third time I don't remember the specifics of the second (stripped mined by sithspawn)
Fresia (whole planet reduced to blood soup)

Countless others. It hapoens all the time. There are dozens of threads with it, but most people will never know these because it happened a decade ago.

It's not disrespectful. People just don't know these things. People weren't here for it, and shouldn't be beholden to something a stranger on the internet decided years prior. That's always been Chaos.

I was a codex judge. It used to be a requirement when submitting planets (at the least) that you indicate how they fared in major events such as the gulag. So yes, it has been a requirement before.

I've never seen anyone in my two years on the site get dinged for making a codex sub that 'contradicted site lore'

If something happened 5 years ago, then it probably got forgotten unless someone is still actively pushing it. (Hi Darth Carnifex , Mandalore sends it's regards.)

I know several long term writers on chaos who have never looked at either of those things.

That's kind of pathetic that people have never looked at the timeline or the map, to be frank.

 

[Caelan Valoren]

Considering the last time the timeline was updated was almost two years ago, I wouldn't consider that an ironclad defense

The map is updated more often, though, and includes destroyed worlds.

 

[Aris Noble]

I was a codex judge. It used to be a requirement when submitting planets (at the least) that you indicate how they fared in major events such as the gulag. So yes, it has been a requirement before.

I, too, was a codex judge. The only requirement was to mention the Gulag Plague and how the planet survived during the dark times. Nothing about current events.

 

[WelshPsych]

someone to DM me and say "nuh uh, you can't do that because 6 years ago some other writer you've never met did this totally big and cool thing" I'd have probably just left lmao

You're diminishing it to a single writer. No single person is going to blow up a planet. In fact, most major factions on the site right now could not get the post count to blow up a planet.

The significance there is that this has to be a majority thing. A lot of writers spent a lot of their time telling a narrative they loved which had the consequence of blowing up a planet. But you know what, here are a dozen more canon worlds that completely suit the environment of the world you want to write in.

 

[Jonyna Si]

That's kind of pathetic that people have never looked at the timeline or the map, to be frank.

I have, to this day, never read the entire timeline. Outside of the last major update, none of it effects my characters, and none of it would ever probably come up.

 

[Caelan Valoren]

I, too, was a codex judge. The only requirement was to mention the Gulag Plague and how the planet survived during the dark times. Nothing about current events.

If you're going to argue that there's precedent for bringing planets back because they were brought back by Tefka at the founding of the site, then by proxy I can argue that since it was mandatory to account for historical events in things such as codex, the argument that there is never permanence is fallacious.

 

[Caelan Valoren]

I have, to this day, never read the entire timeline. Outside of the last major update, none of it effects my characters, and none of it would ever probably come up.

But you have read it. And looked at the map. So, you aren't the people who have never done either.

 

[Aris Noble]

If you're going to argue that there's precedent for bringing planets back because they were brought back by Tefka at the founding of the site, then by proxy I can argue that since it was mandatory to account for historical events in things such as codex, the argument that there is never permanence is fallacious.

I counter with the fact that the rules themselves say you must respect canon (pre gulag) and the chaos timeline where applicable.

Which, yes, does directly mention the destruction of worlds.

But also the rebuilding of worlds in the very first post. So your argument that destroyed planets should remain destroyed can't be possible if we don't pick and choose the lore we follow on Chaos.

 

[Caelan Valoren]

The general point I'm trying to make is this: Undoing the seriously hard work of an annihilation, which has only succeeded 3 times on this site, diminishes what the people who worked on those did. If you believe that should be allowable, just vote to get rid of annihilations instead. What's the point of destroying a planet if it can just be rebuilt?

Just get rid of them. If you make it so they can get remade, a lot of people won't participate in annihilations anymore regardless, so the chances of them ever being completed will drop significantly.

 

[Amani Serys]

You're diminishing it to a single writer. No single person is going to blow up a planet. In fact, most major factions on the site right now could not get the post count to blow up a planet.

The significance there is that this has to be a majority thing. A lot of writers spent a lot of their time telling a narrative they loved which had the consequence of blowing up a planet. But you know what, here are a dozen more canon worlds that completely suit the environment of the world you want to write in.

And likewise, no single person would be capable of rebuilding a planet. If we're applying the same rules to that as we do to an annihilation, then I personally just don't see the argument for why it couldn't happen. Otherwise we might as well just give up on all writing. Another faction can just invade a hex back, so why bother writing invasions? Nobody else is gonna read my private threads, so why do I bother fleshing them out?

Idk man, I do this hobby cause it's (usually) fun. This idea that none of it is worth it if it doesn't leave a permanent lasting legacy comes across as a greedy mindset. Any and all future writers will never get to have that same experience that you did, cause you pulled the ladder up from under you. If that's all that matters to people here, I'd say they might be a little too invested in this website.

 

[Aris Noble]

The general point I'm trying to make is this: Undoing the seriously hard work of an annihilation, which has only succeeded 3 times on this site, diminishes what the people who worked on those did. If you believe that should be allowable, just vote to get rid of annihilations instead. What's the point of destroying a planet if it can just be rebuilt?

Just get rid of them. If you make it so they can get remade, a lot of people won't participate in annihilations anymore regardless, so the chances of them ever being completed will drop significantly.

This suggests that Annihilations are actively being used. Exegol was the last, and there hasn't been any attempts since. Perhaps they won't be used because planets are coming back, but it's not like people are actively trying to destroy more worlds.

If people want to remake the worlds destroyed now and are willing to meet the effort put to destroy them, why stop it?

 

[Caelan Valoren]

And likewise, no single person would be capable of rebuilding a planet. If we're applying the same rules to that as we do to an annihilation, then I personally just don't see the argument for why it couldn't happen. Otherwise we might as well just give up on all writing. Another faction can just invade a hex back, so why bother writing invasions? Nobody else is gonna read my private threads, so why do I bother fleshing them out?

Idk man, I do this hobby cause it's (usually) fun. This idea that none of it is worth it if it doesn't leave a lasting legacy comes across as a greedy mindset. Any and all future writers will never get to have that same experience that you did, cause you pulled the ladder up from under you. If that's all that matters to people here, I'd say they might be a little too invested in this website.

It's not greed to want the things that you do to be respected. If we don't respect what other people do, what's the point of RP? It's just the same as when someone powergames: they aren't respecting what other people are doing, and the end result is those people don't want to RP with them anymore.

 

[Judah Dashiell]

I keep seeing post count mentioned. 400 posts isn't even a lot of posts for a group story.

I think it would be an interesting event to terraform planets back into existence. Keeps a story going and boom, planet has freshly returned with a plausible story.

 

[Rik Perris]

Also kinda this tbh.

If I tried to make a thread back when I first joined chaos on some planet only for someone to DM me and say "nuh uh, you can't do that because 6 years ago some other writer you've never met did this totally big and cool thing" I'd have probably just left lmao

It's always been something I've done, that if I'm aware of some neat fact of what came before and it hasn't been invalidated by later storytelling, I'll let the person know, if only so they could use it it in their own stories, should they want to, if it fits into the story they're trying to tell. If they could reasonably know about it, because it's also realistic and pretty common for people to not know a thing about history, lol.

Lore is cool. People like lore, far as I'm aware. It adds flavour, and embraces 'work smarter, not harder'. Makes storytelling easier to use it, to a decent extent, in my experience, but I can admit that depth is not for everyone.

To bring this back to the initial point of this thread... ultimately my concern is taking away a potential source of inspiration by 'undestroying' the planets in question, and possibly alienating some of the writerbase of this site. Not to mention how the removal of a darker aspect of the site might pan out. There's already plenty of mild, happy, sweet writing here, these days, but I wholly believe there needs to be something to balance that out, that I feel is sorely lacking.

I fear a change such as this would be the opposite of good for the site, but I could be wrong! I've never run a roleplaying community. I daresay few of us have.

 

[Aris Noble]

It's not greed to want the things that you do to be respected. If we don't respect what other people do, what's the point of RP? It's just the same as when someone powergames: they aren't respecting what other people are doing, and the end result is those people don't want to RP with them anymore.

Then I demand that Fresia remains a lifeless planet of blood soup since I spear headed the over a hundred posts thread turning the planets population to goup and had several codex's made over the alchemical basin there. It was my character, my fellow writers, who did this.

Like almost ten years ago.

I've seen people using Fresia for their stuff. I'm not about to police people from using a world to write the stories they wanna write because I did something big years back. That goes against the chill fun.

 

[Caelan Valoren]

Then I demand that Fresia remains a lifeless planet of blood soup since I spear headed the over a hundred posts thread turning the planets population to goup and had several codex's made over the alchemical basin there. It was my character, my fellow writers, who did this.

Like almost ten years ago.

I've seen people using Fresia for their stuff. I'm not about to police people from using a world to write the stories they wanna write because I did something big years back. That goes against the chill fun.

I'm just going to say this: If I knew something like that happened on a world I wanted to write on, I'd acknowledge it instead of pretending it never happened.

 

[Aris Noble]

I'm just going to say this: If I knew something like that happened on a world I wanted to write on, I'd acknowledge it instead of pretending it never happened.

I'm just going to say this: I do not nor will I ever expect someone to know the lore of the crap I did ten years ago, or even last year, just to write the story they want to write. Chaos is massive. There are thousands of stories being written constantly. Star Wars canon is massive af and I'm still learning stuff there.

If it's not current? I don't want people to have to learn about it just to rp on their chosen world woth their character.

 

[Jonyna Si]

You're diminishing it to a single writer. No single person is going to blow up a planet. In fact, most major factions on the site right now could not get the post count to blow up a planet.

The significance there is that this has to be a majority thing. A lot of writers spent a lot of their time telling a narrative they loved which had the consequence of blowing up a planet. But you know what, here are a dozen more canon worlds that completely suit the environment of the world you want to write in.

I've heard this argument a hundred times.

I've heard people tell me that if cathar gets annihilated, then I should be forced to just settle a new planet and make a new story. Why? Why uproot my story to some new world when I had all that narrative investment in Cathar, not Neo Cathar, or New Cathar, or whatever. If I put in the effort to restore the world how it was, should that not be rewarded?

But you have read it. And looked at the map. So, you aren't the people who have never done either.

Honestly? Not really. I skimmed it when I first joined and haven't looked at it since. If something happened before my time, unless someone is telling me about it IC, I just nod my head and move onto more relevant info.

It doesn't apply to me. It's always assumed that canon planets are in their default state anyways. I've had people tell me that Corellia got destroyed fifteen times now, and yet whenever I see people RP on it, there's never any mention of Brokellia or anything like that. No mention of the OMNI event that shattered it, no mention of whatever brought it back.